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Omari
01-26-2008, 09:36 PM
The first ad on your local television channel might be one that encourages / promotes the consumption of Alcohol. The one right after may strongly disagree with it.

My hypothesis:
Is the consumption of Alcohol good, or bad for the Average Person?

The first thing I did was look around some websites...
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Health Benefits.
It may:
*Reduce your risk of developing heart disease, peripheral vascular disease and intermittent claudication
*Reduce your risk of dying of a heart attack
*Possibly reduce your risk of strokes, particularly ischemic strokes
*Lower your risk of gallstones
*Possibly reduce your risk of diabetes

Health Risks.
Exessive consumption will lead to many health risks,
including:
*Cancer of the pancreas, mouth, pharynx, larynx, esophagus and liver, as well as breast cancer
*Pancreatitis, especially in people with high levels of triglycerides in their blood
*Sudden death in people with cardiovascular disease
*Heart muscle damage (alcoholic cardiomyopathy) leading to heart failure
*Stroke
*Brain atrophy (shrinkage)
*Cirrhosis of the liver
*Miscarriage
*Fetal alcohol syndrome in an unborn child, including impaired growth and *nervous system development
*Injuries due to impaired motor skills
*Suicide

My conclusion:
Alcohol is something the body does not require, and the excessive consumption is a major health risk.

Allah also says in the Quran:
"O you who believe, do not approach the Salat while you are intoxicated, until you know what you are saying. Nor if you have had intercourse, unless travelling, until you bathe. And if you are ill, or traveling, or one of you has excreted feces, or you had sexual contact with the women, and could not find water, then you shall select from the clean soil; you shall wipe your faces and hands. God is Pardoning, Forgiving." (4:43)

"O you who believe, intoxicants, and gambling, and altars, and arrows of chance are tools of affliction used by the devil. You shall avoid him so that you may be successful." (5:90)

"They ask you about intoxicants and gambling. Say: “In them is great harm, and a benefit for the people; but their harm is greater than their benefit.” And they ask you how much are they to give, Say: “The excess.” It is thus that God clarifies for you the revelations that you may think." (2:219)


"And from the fruits of the palm trees and the grapes you make wine and a good provision. In that is a sign for a people who comprehend." (16:67)

Peace be with you all
Omari
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Whatsthepoint
01-26-2008, 09:43 PM
Why exactly did you create this thread?
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Whatsthepoint
01-26-2008, 09:50 PM
forgot my 2 cents

The moderate consumption of alchohol, especially red wine, is very beneficial.
The excessive consumption of any substance can be a major health risk.
I can't imagine friday night's without it.

PRO!
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Omari
01-26-2008, 09:52 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
Why exactly did you create this thread?
Whats the harm?
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wilberhum
01-26-2008, 09:52 PM
Exessive consumption will lead to many health risks
Excessive consumption of anything will lead to many health risks.
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Omari
01-26-2008, 09:54 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
forgot my 2 cents

The moderate consumption of alchohol, especially red wine, is very beneficial.
The excessive consumption of any substance can be a major health risk.
I can't imagine friday night's without it.
PRO!
Incase you didn't know...alcohol is quite addicting. After one bottle, drinking a second is almost inevitable [if available]. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Peace
Omari
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Omari
01-26-2008, 09:56 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by wilberhum
Excessive consumption of anything will lead to many health risks.
Perhaps...maybe I should have included what is considered to be "Excessive consumption"...so here it is :)

What counts as a drink?

A drink is defined as 12 ounces (oz.) of beer, 5 oz. of wine or 1.5 oz. of 80-proof distilled spirits. Again, keep in mind that people age 65 and older shouldn't drink more than one drink a day. With increasing age, adults break down alcohol more slowly, leading them to become intoxicated more quickly and increasing alcohol's damaging effects.
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wilberhum
01-26-2008, 10:00 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Omari
Perhaps...maybe I should have included what is considered to be "Excessive consumption"...so here it is :)

What counts as a drink?

A drink is defined as 12 ounces (oz.) of beer, 5 oz. of wine or 1.5 oz. of 80-proof distilled spirits. Again, keep in mind that people age 65 and older shouldn't drink more than one drink a day. With increasing age, adults break down alcohol more slowly, leading them to become intoxicated more quickly and increasing alcohol's damaging effects.
Whow, I can still drink my 4 beers for 3 more years. :D
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Whatsthepoint
01-26-2008, 10:02 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Omari
Incase you didn't know...alcohol is quite addicting. After one bottle, drinking a second is almost inevitable [if available]. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Peace
Omari
It is.
Many things are addictive, coffee, cigarettes, coke... The difference between those and alchohol is that tehy don't bring any or significantly less benefits.

Most people drink wine after lunch or dinner, a very small percentage of alchohol consumers are drunks.
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Omari
01-26-2008, 10:14 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
It is.
Many things are addictive, coffee, cigarettes, coke... The difference between those and alchohol is that tehy don't bring any or significantly less benefits.

Most people drink wine after lunch or dinner, a very small percentage of alchohol consumers are drunks.
And yet drunk driving is one of the leading causes of death in western countries.
I am aware that many people drink alcoholic beverages and intend no abuse of the drink, but there are millions, 10s of millions perhaps, that are victims of alcoholism.

I smoke :(, quite unfortunatly, and I'm trying to quit, and I know how hard and addicting it is, maybe the similarity between the two drugs is what caused me to create this thread.

Ask me for statistics on the number of deaths in Canada ALONE due to Alcohol consumption.
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wilberhum
01-26-2008, 10:19 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Omari

I smoke :(, quite unfortunatly, and I'm trying to quit, and I know how hard and addicting it is, maybe the similarity between the two drugs is what caused me to create this thread.
And you think alcohol is bad?

You think it is hard to quit now? Try quiting after smoking more than 40 years.

It ain't gona get any easier.
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Omari
01-26-2008, 10:25 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by wilberhum
And you think alcohol is bad? Yes i do, and it is. An argument against my point is baseless.

You think it is hard to quit now? Try quiting after smoking more than 40 years.
Yeah, but I had many reasons to start, some reasons that even you will agree with...Afghanistan kinda lacks Qualified Teen Mediators. lol.

It ain't gona get any easier. Thanks for the support :peace:
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Whatsthepoint
01-26-2008, 10:29 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Omari
And yet drunk driving is one of the leading causes of death in western countries.
I am aware that many people drink alcoholic beverages and intend no abuse of the drink, but there are millions, 10s of millions perhaps, that are victims of alcoholism.

I smoke :(, quite unfortunatly, and I'm trying to quit, and I know how hard and addicting it is, maybe the similarity between the two drugs is what caused me to create this thread.

Ask me for statistics on the number of deaths in Canada ALONE due to Alcohol consumption.
America and Canada have got very harsh rectrictions on alchohol consumption. In most European countries the age limit is 18 and it isn't hard for a minor to get drunk. (which is good actually, I'll elaborate if you want me to) Anyway, Europans are generally known to drink more than their american counterparts.
A EU study showed that alcohol causes the death of 115,000 people anually in Europe.

Only passive smoking kills 19,000 a year. Active smoking kills several hundreds of thousand a year. If anything should be banned, it's smoking...

Ok, what are the stats on the number of deaths in Canada due to Alcohol consumption?:)
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Omari
01-26-2008, 10:32 PM
Alcohol related deaths in the US since 1982:

Total fatalities Alcohol related fatalities

Year Number Number Percent
1982 43,945 26,173 60
1983 42,589 24,635 58
1984 44,257 24,762 56
1985 43,825 23,167 53
1986 46,087 25,017 54
1987 46,390 24,094 52
1988 47,087 23,833 51
1989 45,582 22,424 49
1990 44,599 22,587 51
1991 41,508 20,159 49
1992 39,250 18,290 47
1993 40,150 17,908 45
1994 40,716 17,308 43
1995 41,817 17,732 42
1996 42,065 17,749 42
1997 42,013 16,711 40
1998 41,501 16,673 40
1999 41,717 16,572 40
2000 41,945 17,380 41
2001 42,196 17,400 41
2002 43,005 17,524 41
2003 42,643 17,013 40
2004 42,518 16,919 39
2005 43,443 16,885 39

Drinking and driving fatalities by state in 2005 (ranked by highest number of alcohol related deaths):

State Total Fatalities Alcohol-Related Fatalities


Number Percent
California 4329 1719 40
Texas 3504 1569 45
Florida 3543 1471 42
Pennsylvania 1616 636 39
Illinois 1361 580 43
North Carolina 1534 549 36
Georgia 1729 545 32
New York 1429 524 37
Missouri 1257 515 41
Ohio 1323 505 38
Arizona 1177 492 42
South Carolina 1093 464 42
Tennessee 1270 464 37
Alabama 1131 423 37
Michigan 1129 421 37
Louisiana 955 394 41
Mississippi 931 371 40
Wisconsin 815 369 45
Virginia 947 347 37
Indiana 938 320 34
Kentucky 985 313 32
Washington 647 294 45
Oklahoma 802 283 35
New Jersey 748 263 35
Colorado 606 244 40
Maryland 614 235 38
Arkansas 648 233 36
Minnesota 559 201 36
New Mexico 488 189 39
Oregon 488 177 36
Massachusetts 442 171 39
Nevada 427 159 37
Kansas 428 151 35
West Virginia 374 126 34
Montana 251 124 49
Connecticut 274 120 44
Iowa 450 118 26
Nebraska 276 91 33
Idaho 275 89 32
South Dakota 186 80 43
Hawaii 140 71 51
Delaware 134 66 49
Wyoming 170 65 38
New Hampshire 166 60 36
Maine 169 59 35
North Dakota 123 58 47
Rhode Island 87 43 50
Utah 282 37 13
Alaska 72 35 48
Vermont 73 29 40
District of Columbia 48 26 55





National 43,443 16,885 39
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Omari
01-26-2008, 10:33 PM
Ah the reference
Drunk Driving Statistics
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Whatsthepoint
01-26-2008, 10:41 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Omari
National 43,443 16,885 39
That's not a lot.
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Omari
01-26-2008, 10:44 PM
Drunk driving can be compared to "passive smoking".
Do some research on other deaths that alcohol openes doors to,
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Whatsthepoint
01-26-2008, 10:49 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Omari
Drunk driving can be compared to "passive smoking".
Do some research on other deaths that alcohol openes doors to,
YEah, in the EU, the total number of alcohol related deaths is 115,000 per year.
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Whatsthepoint
01-26-2008, 10:57 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
YEah, in the EU, the total number of alcohol related deaths is 115,000 per year.
Compared to 1.2 million caused by smoking.
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InToTheRain
01-26-2008, 11:19 PM
America has tried banning Alcohol before, the Fitrah every human has knows it leads to corruption. However the Ban did not work.

[PIE]Enforcement of Prohibition was originally assigned to the Internal Revenue Service, which is why the enforcement agents who destroyed moonshine stills were called revenuers. Only in 1930 was enforcement transferred to the Justice Department. After Prohibition, tax collection on liquor was returned to the IRS, which was also charged with the registration of machine guns and sawed-off shotguns and enforcement of taxes on tobacco. These responsibilities were spun off in 1972 to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms.

Prohibition failed because it was unenforceable. By 1925, half a dozen states, including New York, passed laws banning local police from investigating violations. Prohibition had little support in the cities of the Northeast and Midwest.

Prohibition did briefly pay some public health dividends. The death rate from alcoholism was cut by 80 percent by 1921 from pre-war levels, while alcohol-related crime dropped markedly. But seven years after Prohibition went into effect, the total deaths from adulterated liquor reached approximately 50,000, and many more cases of blindness and paralysis. According to one story, a potential buyer who sent a liquor sample to a laboratory for analysis was shocked when a chemist replied: "Your horse has diabetes."

Prohibition quickly produced bootleggers, speakeasies, moonshine, bathtub gin, and rum runners smuggling supplies of alcohol across state lines. In 1927, there were an estimated 30,000 illegal speakeasies, twice the number of legal bars before Prohibition. Many people made beer and wine at home. Finding a doctor to sign a prescription for medicinal whiskey, sold at drugstores was relatively easy.

Cleveland had 1,200 legal bars in 1919, a year before Prohibition went into effect. By 1923, the city had an estimated 3,000 illegal speakeasies, along with 10,000 stills. An estimated 30,000 city residents sold liquor during Prohibition and another 100,000 made home brew or bathtub gin for themselves and friends.

Prohibition also fostered corruption and contempt for law and law enforcement among large segments of the population. Harry Daughtery, attorney general under Warren Harding, accepted bribes from bootleggers. George Remus, a Cincinnati bootlegger, had a thousand salesmen on his payroll, many of them police officers. He estimated that half his receipts went as bribes. Al Capone's Chicago organization reportedly took in $60 million in 1927 and had half the city's police on its payroll.
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Contrast this to when Mohammad(SAW) recieved the revelation making Alcohol Haram. The Sahabas went spreading the news around Medina, some where pouring wine into a glass and they immediatley threw it away. The ones who had it in their cups threw it away, the ones who were about to drink it spat it out and some of those who drank it induced vomit to rid it off their system.
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Mikayeel
01-26-2008, 11:28 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
It is.
Many things are addictive, coffee, cigarettes, coke... The difference between those and alchohol is that tehy don't bring any or significantly less benefits.

Most people drink wine after lunch or dinner, a very small percentage of alchohol consumers are drunks.
True, but the difference is alcohol changes the way you think.. A decent person could become a wild monster!(he might rape, steal, harm) while he is not even aware of it. The above mentioned does not get you in that state.
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krypton6
01-26-2008, 11:30 PM
Drink alot of water, you'll be fine. Drink alot of coke, you'll be fine, but drink some alcohol and your nearing death, Its a poison!
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wilberhum
01-26-2008, 11:34 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by krypton6
Drink alot of water, nothing will happend. Drink alot of coke, nothing will happend.
Drink alot of alcohol, you will die.
What do you call a lot? :skeleton:

Da, drink enough water it will kill you.
Drink enough Coke, it will kill you.
Drink enough alcohol, it will kill you.
Eat enough meat, it will kill you.

Heck, take enough fast breaths and it will kill you.

The list is endless.
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Mikayeel
01-26-2008, 11:40 PM
But drink just enough alcohol and you turn into a madman, gods knows what you might do... because you certaintly have no clue what you might do(and not you personally)
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wilberhum
01-26-2008, 11:44 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Hamada
But drink just enough alcohol and you turn into a madman, gods knows what you might do... because you certaintly have no clue what you might do(and not you personally)
Alcohol affects different people differently.
Some people get mean. Some get happy and some like me get totally mellow.
But I'm mostly after the stupid statements like

Drink alot of water, nothing will happend.
Drink alot of coke, nothing will happend.
Drink alot of alcohol, you will die.
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Mikayeel
01-26-2008, 11:51 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by wilberhum
Alcohol affects different people differently.
Some people get mean. Some get happy and some like me get totally mellow.
But I'm mostly after the stupid statements like
That is perfectly right:), but i wonder though, how many of these people who did something lets say very stupid, thought that if they had a drink that they would react perfectly fine to it! It turned out that they didnt get very happy. In every case though a person is not him self, let him be happy, ''totally mellow'', he does certian things which he normally wouldnt do.

I don't understand why most people would like to be in that position, you are not yourself! You might puke all over and act like a child who needs to be taken care of.
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krypton6
01-27-2008, 12:06 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by wilberhum
What do you call a lot? :skeleton:

Da, drink enough water it will kill you.
Drink enough Coke, it will kill you.
Drink enough alcohol, it will kill you.
Eat enough meat, it will kill you.

Heck, take enough fast breaths and it will kill you.

The list is endless.
Drinking barrels of water wont kill you, drinking barrels of coke wont kill you, eating tons of meat wont kill you, you'll just have a hard time getting out of the bathroom.

Take alot of fast breaths you still dont die, its impossible to kill yourself through breathing.

But drink some poison and death wil run after you.
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wilberhum
01-27-2008, 12:18 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Hamada
That is perfectly right:), but i wonder though, how many of these people who did something lets say very stupid, thought that if they had a drink that they would react perfectly fine to it! It turned out that they didnt get very happy. In every case though a person is not him self, let him be happy, ''totally mellow'', he does certian things which he normally wouldnt do.

I don't understand why most people would like to be in that position, you are not yourself! You might puke all over and act like a child who needs to be taken care of.
Every one is different and alcohol effects everyone differently, but few lose there self with only one. Quantity is a major factor that is not being addressed.

Lets not confuse the difference in the affect of a quart of beer and a quart of grain alcohol.

You can't lump it all together, if is far too complicated for that.
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Mikayeel
01-27-2008, 12:36 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by wilberhum
Every one is different and alcohol effects everyone differently, but few lose there self with only one. Quantity is a major factor that is not being addressed.

Lets not confuse the difference in the affect of a quart of beer and a quart of grain alcohol.

You can't lump it all together, if is far too complicated for that.
indeed it is! I just have to think about the poor guys who lets say agian commited something stupid, harming them or other around them, how did they start? I bet they started of with just one! If you had asked him then when he was taking that one innocent beer.(ask him will you ever jump of a building due alcohol? Would you ever do etc.....) i am most certain he would answer you with a OFCOURSE NOT!
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snakelegs
01-27-2008, 02:23 AM
i don't drink, but just want to point out that there are many people who drink all their lives who never become alcoholic, whereas some get addicted right away, others over a period of time.
it is not as highly or as quickly addictive as tobacco.
that said, i think it is a negative drug in a society, but, as has been mentioned, banning it did not help.
i would hate to have lost a loved one to a drunk driver.
i guess even worse, would be to be the person who got drunk and killed some one - i can't imagine what it would be like to live with that!
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ummsara1108
01-27-2008, 03:14 AM
Let's not forget about the physical/mental abuse alcohol causes, cigarettes although harmful do not cause physical/mental abuse or driving impaired accidents.

Let's also not forget that alcohol/cigarettes only became legal for certain ages not that long ago. And yet our youth still is able to get there hands on it. Why? because it's all about the dollar bill (profit).

Why isn't majuanna legal? Although somewhat popular they are unable to contain it within the USA and oh of course as of yet they haven't been able to put a tax on it. But they will in due time just like alcohol and cigarettes.
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snakelegs
01-27-2008, 03:17 AM
i don't do any drugs, thank God.
but i must say that i find it strange that alcohol is legal and encouraged and marijuanna is not.
i have never heard of anyone smoking pot stabbing someone to death, running over a child, etc etc...
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ummsara1108
01-27-2008, 03:21 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by snakelegs
i don't drink, but just want to point out that there are many people who drink all their lives who never become alcoholic, whereas some get addicted right away, others over a period of time.
it is not as highly or as quickly addictive as tobacco.
that said, i think it is a negative drug in a society, but, as has been mentioned, banning it did not help.
i would hate to have lost a loved one to a drunk driver.
i guess even worse, would be to be the person who got drunk and killed some one - i can't imagine what it would be like to live with that!



IF YOU DRINK ALL YOUR LIFE, IT'S CALLED ACOHOLISM
(Beause people don't drink all of there lives for no good reason) and can't wait for the next day/drink.

Harming oneself is your choice but when involving anyone else is your fault.
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ummsara1108
01-27-2008, 03:26 AM
I don't Drink or do Drugs, but I am a Smoker.

May god help me over come my addiction.
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ummsara1108
01-27-2008, 03:29 AM
I also agree that smoking is a negative drug in society, but as long as someone gets a piece of the pie, it will be legal. Forget about the harm it does, let's just raise the tax....lol..what a hoot
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snakelegs
01-27-2008, 03:33 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by ummsara1108
I don't Drink or do Drugs, but I am a Smoker.

May god help me over come my addiction.
smoking is extremely addictive and extremely hard to quit!
but when you do, you will feel wonderful about yourself. best of luck to you. quit while you're young instead of waiting til you're 40 (like i did)
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ummsara1108
01-27-2008, 03:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
It is.
Many things are addictive, coffee, cigarettes, coke... The difference between those and alchohol is that tehy don't bring any or significantly less benefits.

yes they do, you don't take the chance of killing someone else with a glass of coke or coffee or even a smoke, but alcohol is well known to cause accidents and physical/mental abuse unlike the others i've mentioned.
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ummsara1108
01-27-2008, 03:35 AM
lol...i'm almost 40 now...lol and ty for the support, and congrats on over coming your addiction.
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Z-Blade
01-27-2008, 03:45 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
forgot my 2 cents

The moderate consumption of alchohol, especially red wine, is very beneficial.
The excessive consumption of any substance can be a major health risk.
I can't imagine friday night's without it.

PRO!
Oh, I guess you missed out the ayat in the Quran where Allah states it has some benefit, but is not worth it still due to the harms far outweighing the benefits:

(2:219. They ask you (O Muhammad ) concerning alcoholic drink and gambling. Say: "In them is a great sin, and (some) benefits for men, but the sin of them is greater than their benefit.'' And they ask you what they ought to spend. Say: "That which is (spare) beyond your needs.'' Thus Allah makes clear to you His Laws in order that you may give thought.)

And the explanation and context of it from Tafsir Ibn Kathir:


The Gradual Prohibition of Khamr (Alchoholic Drink)
Imam Ahmad recorded that Abu Maysarah said that `Umar once said, "O Allah! Give us a clear ruling regarding Al-Khamr!'' Allah sent down the Ayah of Surat Al-Baqarah:

﴿يَسْـَلُونَكَ عَنِ الْخَمْرِ وَالْمَيْسِرِ قُلْ فِيهِمَآ إِثْمٌ كَبِيرٌ﴾

(They ask you (O Muhammad ) concerning alcoholic drink and gambling. Say: "In them is a great sin...)

`Umar was then summoned and the Ayah was recited to him. Yet, he still said, "O Allah! Give us a clear ruling regarding Al-Khamr.'' Then, this Ayah that is in Surat An-Nisa' was revealed:

﴿يَـأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ لاَ تَقْرَبُواْ الصَّلَوةَ وَأَنتُمْ سُكَـرَى﴾

(O you who believe! Approach not As-Salah (the prayer) when you are in a drunken state.) (4:43)

Then, when the prayer was called for, a person used to herald on behalf of Allah's Messenger , "No drunk person should attend the prayer.'' `Umar was summoned again and the Ayah was recited to him. Yet, he still said, "O Allah! Give us a clear ruling regarding Al-Khamr.'' Then, the Ayah that is in Surat Al-Ma'idah was revealed, `Umar was again summoned and the Ayah was recited to him. When he reached:

﴿فَهَلْ أَنْتُمْ مُّنتَهُونَ﴾

(So, will you not then abstain) (5:91) he said, "We did abstain, we did abstain.'' This is also the narration that Abu Dawud, At-Tirmidhi and An-Nasai collected in their books. `Ali bin Al-Madini and At-Tirmidhi said that the chain of narrators for this Hadith is sound and authentic. We will mention this Hadith again along with what Imam Ahmad collected by Abu Hurayrah Allah's saying in Surat Al-Ma'idah:

﴿إِنَّمَا الْخَمْرُ وَالْمَيْسِرُ وَالاٌّنصَابُ وَالاٌّزْلاَمُ رِجْسٌ مِّنْ عَمَلِ الشَّيْطَـنِ فَاجْتَنِبُوهُ لَعَلَّكُمْ تُفْلِحُونَ﴾

(Intoxicants and gambling, and Al-Ansab, and Al-Azlam are an abomination of Satan's handiwork. So avoid (strictly all) that (abomination) in order that you may be successful.) (5:90)

Allah said:

﴿يَسْـَلُونَكَ عَنِ الْخَمْرِ وَالْمَيْسِرِ﴾

(They ask you (O Muhammad ) concerning alcoholic drinks and gambling.)

As for Al-Khamr, `Umar bin Khattab, the Leader of the faithful, used to say, "It includes all what intoxicates the mind.'' We will also mention this statement in the explanation of Surat Al-Ma'idah, along with the topic of gambling.

Allah said:

﴿قُلْ فِيهِمَآ إِثْمٌ كَبِيرٌ وَمَنَـفِعُ لِلنَّاسِ﴾

(Say: In them is a great sin, and (some) benefits for men.)

As for the harm that the Khamr and gambling cause, it effects the religion. As for their benefit, it is material, including benefit for the body, digesting the food, getting rid of the excrements, sharpening the mind, bringing about a joyous sensation and financially benefiting from their sale. Also, (their benefit includes) earnings through gambling that one uses to spend on his family and on himself. Yet, these benefits are outweighed by the clear harm that they cause which affects the mind and the religion. This is why Allah said:

﴿وَإِثْمُهُمَآ أَكْبَرُ مِن نَّفْعِهِمَا﴾

(...but the sin of them is greater than their benefit.)

This Ayah was the beginning of the process of prohibiting Khamr, not explicity, but it only implied this meaning. So when this Ayah was recited to `Umar, he still said, "O Allah! Give us a clear ruling regarding Al-Khamr.'' Soon after, Allah sent down a clear prohibition of Khamr in Surat Al-Ma'idah:

﴿يَـأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ إِنَّمَا الْخَمْرُ وَالْمَيْسِرُ وَالاٌّنصَابُ وَالاٌّزْلاَمُ رِجْسٌ مِّنْ عَمَلِ الشَّيْطَـنِ فَاجْتَنِبُوهُ لَعَلَّكُمْ تُفْلِحُونَ - إِنَّمَا يُرِيدُ الشَّيْطَـنُ أَن يُوقِعَ بَيْنَكُمُ الْعَدَاوَةَ وَالْبَغْضَآءَ فِى الْخَمْرِ وَالْمَيْسِرِ وَيَصُدَّكُمْ عَن ذِكْرِ اللَّهِ وَعَنِ الصَّلَوةِ فَهَلْ أَنْتُمْ مُّنتَهُونَ ﴾ (O you who believe! Intoxicants (all kinds of alcoholic drinks), and gambling, and Al-Ansab, and Al-Azlam are an abomination of Shaytan's handiwork. So avoid (strictly all) that (abomination) in order that you may be successful. Shaytan wants only to excite enmity and hatred between you with intoxicants (alcoholic drinks) and gambling, and hinder you from the remembrance of Allah and from As-Salah (the prayer). So, will you not then abstain) (5:90, 91)

Peace out.
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wilberhum
01-27-2008, 03:51 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by snakelegs
smoking is extremely addictive and extremely hard to quit!
but when you do, you will feel wonderful about yourself. best of luck to you. quit while you're young instead of waiting til you're 40 (like i did)
I didn't quit till I was 58. I had smoked for over 40 years.

G-D Da-n it was tough. That was 3 1/2 years ago and I'm still clean.
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snakelegs
01-27-2008, 03:59 AM
i've been clean for for 23 years. after the first 2 months, i didn't even miss it.
before i quit, i tried many times and failed. yes - it is indeed tough!
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Whatsthepoint
01-27-2008, 12:44 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Hamada
True, but the difference is alcohol changes the way you think.. A decent person could become a wild monster!(he might rape, steal, harm) while he is not even aware of it. The above mentioned does not get you in that state.
that is true, but as it has been said many times, most people consume alcohol in moderate quantitites and only a part of those who don't turn into monsters.
Instead of banning alcohol as such, we should try to reduce excessive use, prevent drunks from driving etc.
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Whatsthepoint
01-27-2008, 12:49 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by ummsara1108
yes they do, you don't take the chance of killing someone else with a glass of coke or coffee or even a smoke, but alcohol is well known to cause accidents and physical/mental abuse unlike the others i've mentioned.
Well, in Europe 19,000 non-smokers a year die because of tobacco, I don't think the number of alcohol related accidents is significantly higher.
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Mikayeel
01-27-2008, 05:57 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
that is true, but as it has been said many times, most people consume alcohol in moderate quantitites and only a part of those who don't turn into monsters.
Instead of banning alcohol as such, we should try to reduce excessive use, prevent drunks from driving etc.
Are we not already trying to do so?

Its funny how people always say ''we should'' and the reality is clearly not even willing to put an effort into ''trying to reduce excessive use''.

I cant even walk on a saturday night trough town (not that I would) without getting shouted at, or being chased! By maniacs who think they can fly!(they think they are superman). Its not one person the whole town is gone mad at that moment. Why? because they are young! they live there live to the max. Maybe when they hit 30-40 ish, they will say ''excessive alcohol'' is bad. By that time the new generations of young people is having living there life to the max. So its a never ending process!
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Mikayeel
01-27-2008, 05:58 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
Well, in Europe 19,000 non-smokers a year die because of tobacco, I don't think the number of alcohol related accidents is significantly higher.
Thats not the point, the point is alcohol affect the way ur brain funtions.
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krypton6
01-27-2008, 06:04 PM
Smoking cigarettes in Islam is haraam too.
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Whatsthepoint
01-27-2008, 09:07 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Hamada
Are we not already trying to do so?
We are, but apparently not hard enough. It isn't much we can do without inflicting with the right of individual to hurt themselves.

Its funny how people always say ''we should'' and the reality is clearly not even willing to put an effort into ''trying to reduce excessive use''.
There's been an improvent. Booze is no longer advertized in the mass media, on the other ahnd there are plenty of ads that discourgae drinking, schools educate children about the dangers of overconsumption...but as I said, little can be done. The state could put introduce higher taxes on alcohol, but nobody wants that...

I cant even walk on a saturday night trough town (not that I would) without getting shouted at, or being chased! By maniacs who think they can fly!(they think they are superman). Its not one person the whole town is gone mad at that moment. Why? because they are young! they live there live to the max. Maybe when they hit 30-40 ish, they will say ''excessive alcohol'' is bad. By that time the new generations of young people is having living there life to the max. So its a never ending process!
I go out every friday/saturday night, sometimes I drink quite a lot but I never get crazy and all. Different people react differently to alcohol.
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Whatsthepoint
01-27-2008, 09:08 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Hamada
Thats not the point, the point is alcohol affect the way ur brain funtions.
Lets make things clear. What are you proposing? Prohibition?
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Whatsthepoint
01-27-2008, 09:11 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by krypton6
Smoking cigarettes in Islam is haraam too.
Despite it's alleged scientific miracles I am certain the Quran doesn't mention tobacco.
I heard all things that can harm the body are haraam. Is it so?
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aadil77
01-27-2008, 09:26 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by krypton6
Smoking cigarettes in Islam is haraam too.
bro you have to be extremely careful when saying that something is haraam, smoking isn't haraam as it doesn't intoxicate you, and its not mentioned in quran etc

if smoking was haraam then millions would be guilty of it
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Amadeus85
01-27-2008, 09:31 PM
Personally I drink much less alcohol than people in my age do. There are many reasons. One of them is that I always like to control myselfe and btw I am often used as a driver by my friends so alcohol is no option then.
But i know that small amounts of alcohol are not bad for health especially for older people.
But of course alcoholism is a disaster for a person and his family.
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Z-Blade
01-27-2008, 11:03 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
Despite it's alleged scientific miracles I am certain the Quran doesn't mention tobacco.
I heard all things that can harm the body are haraam. Is it so?
format_quote Originally Posted by aadil77
bro you have to be extremely careful when saying that something is haraam, smoking isn't haraam as it doesn't intoxicate you, and its not mentioned in quran etc

if smoking was haraam then millions would be guilty of it
:salamext:,

The most precautionary view is that it is haram. Also, I've read in a book where scholars have said it is haram because it is both an intoxicant and a sedative. This fatwa supports what I have said:

"Question:
Is smoking cigarettes Haraam?

Answer:

Praise be to Allah and peace and blessings be on His Prophet

SAWS.

Smoking is one of the things which has caused a lot of problems and harm these days and it has spread like wild fire. Before we discuss this topic in detail, we should know that Allaah the Almighty has divided things in the world into two types, good or permissible (al-tayyibaat, al-halaal) and evil or prohibited (al-khabaa'ith, al-haraam), and there is no third type. Allah says (interpretation of the meaning) in surat al-A'raaf (7:157):
"And He makes good things halaal for them and bad things haraam."
Considering this fact, smoking can either be permissible and good or prohibited and evil.
Thus, we present some of its characteristics and let the person asking the question see himself in which type lies smoking.

  1. There is no disagreement among the physicians and sane people that smoking is harmful for health. It is one of the major causes of lung cancer and other diseases. It is also one of the major causes of death. Since, it is known that the Islamic law prohibits everything that is harmful for a human being. Allah said (interpretation of meaning): "Do not kill yourself. Allah is Merciful unto you." (Surat al-Nisaa' 4:29)
    In addition, His Prophet

    SAWS (peace be upon him) said:
    "There is no harm or causing of harm (in Islaam)." (Arabic "laa darar wa laa diraar")
    He SAWS (peace be upon him) also said:
    "A person will not be able to move on the Day of Judgment until he is asked about ... his body as to what he engaged it in."
    Smoking also goes against the saying of the Prophet

    SAWS:
    "Your body has a right on you."
  2. There is no disagreement among the physicians and sane people that smoking is harmful for the health of others who inhale the polluted breath of the smoker. Medical research has proven the harmful effects of smoking mothers on their children.
  3. The offensive smell caused by smoking is a source of pain to the worshippers of Allah among humans and angels. The angels are offended and suffer from the same things that the human beings suffer from. Allah said (interpretation of the meaning): "Those who cause harm to believing men and women without any reason do a great sin." (Surat al-Ahzaab, 33:58)
  4. The money that is spent on cigarettes is used on buying a harmful thing and is therefore an extravagance. Allah said (interpretation of the meaning): "… and do not be extravagant wasters. Those who are extravagant are kinsmen of Satan." (Surat al-Israa' 17:26-27)
    Extravagance (in Islam) means spending on something haraam.
    Spending money on cigarettes is a waste of resources as well. The Prophet

    SAWS (peace be upon him) said:
    "A person will not be able to move on the Day of Judgment until he is asked about ..... what he owned as to how he spent it."
    Considering all that has been presented, it can be clearly seen that smoking is an evil among many others. It is not permissible to indulge in it, or buy and sell it, or even to offer it to others. It is incumbent on a person who is addicted to it that he must make all efforts and get whatever necessary treatment to stop it. If the unbelievers have understood the harm caused by smoking and made laws regarding it, the Muslims should be even more eager to stop it and treat those who are addicted to it. We ask Allah the Almighty to cure everyone indulging in this evil and help him in giving it up. Allah is the Best Guide to the Right Path. "
http://www.islamqa.com/index.php?ref...ng&txt=smoking

Wassalam.
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truemuslim
01-28-2008, 01:23 AM
wow brother omari thanks for that info on all that...

here people are sayin on the news things like 'Smoking is good for your heart and lungs and bla bla bla i gots no idea what i is sayin i just addicted and mite as well make others like meeee' and all that stuff and that it WOULD be good for KIDS but its against the law which is absolutly STUUUUUUUUPIIIIIIIID!!!!!!!!




p.s. this is one of those posts by me that u is supposed to ignore because i dunt wanna be part of threads that become biiig fights and get closed...kk
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syilla
01-28-2008, 02:05 AM
In Malaysia, some of the states have fatwa saying smoking is haram.

but as usual...it only become a fatwa...
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ummsara1108
01-28-2008, 06:53 AM
Smoking is concidered haram, because if smoked for a long period of time it can cause health issues, and suicide is a sin...
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guyabano
01-28-2008, 08:55 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by krypton6
Drinking barrels of water wont kill you, drinking barrels of coke wont kill you, eating tons of meat wont kill you, you'll just have a hard time getting out of the bathroom.
Oh well, you are very wrong ! Drinking too much water can harm the body also very much.

Out of this webpage:
However, even water intake requires moderation: recent media reports have focussed on people who have drunk too much water, which can overwhelm the kidneys and lead to swelling of the brain. Water intoxication can cause symptoms of headache, dizziness, nausea, confusion and, in extreme cases, can lead to coma and death, although this is rare. Certain drugs, including illegal ones such as ecstasy, can trigger drinking excessive amounts of water. It can also be caused by health conditions that affect water balance, such as kidney failure, liver cirrhosis, and uncontrolled diabetes. Drinking excessive amounts of water can also have a psychological cause when it is known as psychogenic polydipsia.
Drinking too much Coke, well, needless to say how much Calories you're going to swallow, except you drink Cokde Diet or Coke Zero, but then your stomach will be happy of so much Carbon gas.

Drinking alcohol with Moderation is a big benefit for the body.
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Mikayeel
01-28-2008, 09:13 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
Lets make things clear. What are you proposing? Prohibition?
I am not in a position to prohibit things.

Neither am I proposing it.

All I am saying is alcohol use is uncontrollable, no matter how good you make it look, or how innocent you describe alcohol.

To many lifes destroyed, to many lifes will be destroyed!
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ahsan28
01-28-2008, 09:39 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Hamada

To many lifes destroyed, to many lifes will be destroyed!

True. See what Telegraph has to reveal about UK only.


"Deaths from alcohol have doubled since the early 1990s, according to a major study, but the Government has ignored authoritative evidence over the way to tackle the dangers of drinking.

The report says the Government has failed to tackle the booze culture and the number of alcohol-related deaths had doubled since 1991 to 8,000 in 2005.Alcohol-related illnesses and accidents are reported to cost the National Health Service £3 billion a year".


Telegraph. UK
14/11/2007


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...alcohol213.xml
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ahsan28
01-28-2008, 09:55 AM
Finland to introduce warnings on alcohol

HELSINKI, Finland — Finland will introduce health warnings on bottles of beer, wine and liquor, following reports that alcohol has become the country's biggest killer, officials said Friday.

Health officials said that alcohol is the biggest single cause of accidents in the country, with more than 25% of all cases treated at health centers involving the abuse of alcohol. At weekends, some 50% of patients treated are under the influence of alcohol.


http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/...-alcohol_N.htm
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AvarAllahNoor
01-28-2008, 12:25 PM
No pros in consuming such things. It distorts your mind, and leaves you out of control, leading to various unreligious acts to occur!
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krypton6
01-28-2008, 12:32 PM
format_quote Originally Posted by aadil77
bro you have to be extremely careful when saying that something is haraam, smoking isn't haraam as it doesn't intoxicate you, and its not mentioned in quran etc

if smoking was haraam then millions would be guilty of it
Well In islam you cannot harm yourself in anyway, smoking can harm your body just as much as drinking. But tobacco itself is not written in the Quran, but I follow the Sharia, and that states that anything that harms your body in anyway is haraam.

Those millions smoking muslims are guilty!
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truemuslim
01-28-2008, 02:55 PM
^^ yah brother kryton thats true its like commiting sucide and thats soooo haram so yes it wud be considered haram... and also ,...sorry to get off topic here but some lady died from drinking too much water.
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krypton6
01-28-2008, 06:45 PM
^^Smoking will cut of 5-30 years of your life!

Anything unhealthy is against the Sharia (as far as I know), so drinking barrels of water and ignoring the pain in your stomach is also haraam.

Not to mention that a normal human cannot die through drinking pure water. The more you drink the more you will be in need of the bathroom, the water wont stay inside, it will get out in a matter seconds or minuts.
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truemuslim
01-28-2008, 06:57 PM
^^^ i kno

and about the water.. i meant like she was in a water drinking contest and she drank soooo much her head started to hurt and then when she got back home her head was hurting verrry much and she just died...and doctors examined everything and said that drinking as much water as she did highered the pressure in like her brain or whatever till she died...
:0 :w:
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snakelegs
01-29-2008, 05:17 AM
However, even water intake requires moderation



water is my favourite drink. i drink at least 3 gallons per day and have ever since i can remember.
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Mishko
01-29-2008, 05:53 AM
Interesting conversation!

In Australia tobacco is the biggest drug of abuse, causing greater morbidity and mortality than all other drugs combined. But alcohol comes in next - not so much because of things like drink driving, but the long term health effects of heavy alcohol intake (listed previously). And the social effects are also very damaging, with the Indigenous communities being in the news particularly over the last year (though certainly not the only communities to which alcohol does great damage). Here are my brief thoughts.

1. All alcohol is not the same. I would not regard having a glass of wine with dinner, or splashing some port in a stew as comparable to drinking 24 cans of cheap beer to get completely drunk.

2. The all-or-nothing approach is not helpful in many societies. I think Australia needs more models of appropriate alcohol use, not just tee-totalers vs alcoholics.

3. If alcohol is condemned, tobacco must be condemned many times stronger.

4. The adverse effects of alcohol on society are proportional to the price per unit of alcohol. I actively campaign against cheap & nasty alcohol because it is this that is abused (indeed it is marketted towards those most vulnerable).

5. I still enjoy the rare glass of red wine or home brew beer. Mmm.
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