format_quote Originally Posted by Hashim
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Maash'Allaah ya ikhwaani what a beautiful post,very good balid points raised. But i must disagree still, as does 'son of adam' brother will disagree aswell inshaa'Allaah, that yes you have quoted some big imaams and knowledgeable shoyookh (may Allaah be pleased with them), but even you stated sheikh Albaani but you are forgetting that he also deemed martdyom operations halaal in some cases!
:w: akhee,
Firstly, if any differences arise, we always have to refer to Allaah (The Qur'aan) and His messenger (the Sunnah). The evidence that such act is impermissible is found in the Glorious Qur'aan and in the sayings of our Prophet (Peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). The 'ulema have highlighted this and yet is ignored.
Shaykh Albaani (may Allaah have mercy on him) did say that it is allowed
under certain circumstances, however, these circumstances are rare and in fact, he stated that these circumstances cannot be found in our current time. He says and I quote:
All suicide missions in our current time are unsanctioned deeds that are all to be considered Haraam (prohibited). The suicide missions may be of the type that renders its practitioner eternally in the Fire or it could be the type that renders its practitioner to be from those who shall not reside eternally in the Fire as I have just explained. But to view these suicide missions as a being a means to draw near to Allaah (praiseworthy act of worship) by killing oneself today for his land or his country then we say No (it is not an act that is praiseworthy).
These suicide missions are not Islamic period! In fact I say today that which represents the Islamic reality not the reality that is sought by a few of the (improperly) overly active Muslims that there is no Jihaad in the Islamic lands at all. Surely there is combat in numerous Muslim countries, but there is no Jihaad that is established under a (solely) Islamic banner, and that is established upon Islamic regulations. From these (missing) regulations are that a soldier is not permitted to act as he (individually and singularly) wishes. He is not permitted to decide for himself what it is that he is to do. Rather he is to be bound to an order from a commander. In turn this commander is not an individual who claims the position (of leadership) for himself and makes himself commander. Rather the commander is delegated the authority from the Khaleefah of the Muslims.
Similiar case to the fatwa of Shaykh Uthaymeen (May Allaah have mercy on him). One cannot twist the statement where he stated it is allowed and use it as evidence to support 'suicide-bombings' without analyizing what he really meant and if he really supported. Those are the actions of Ghuloo.
Also you are forgetting the majoirty of the schoolars who deem this halaal, the majority of the scholars who state the explicit verses of the Qur'aan which clarify the permissability of this! Also ya akhee did you read the Qur'aan verse i quoted, please check up that refernce in the Qur'aan and read for yourelf noble brother, verse 111 suraah 9. This is just one of the da'leel you can read on the permissability.
Akhee, you keep statin' that the majority deem it as halaal whilst offering no evidence. The major scholars of this century unanimously agree that these suicide-missions are not permissible.
Akhee, how did you derive that the ayaah:
(111. Verily, Allah has purchased of the believers their lives and their properties for (the price) that theirs shall be the Paradise. They fight in Allah's cause, so they kill and are killed. It is a promise in truth which is binding on Him in the Tawrah and the Injil and the Qur'an. And who is truer to his covenant than Allah Then rejoice in the bargain which you have concluded. That is the supreme success.)
is daleel that it is allowed? Akhee, this is misinterpretetion and it's a grave sin in Islaam interprete an ayaah without understandin' as Abu-Bakr As-Sideeq warned us.
"They kill and are killed" is not evidence to justify the suicide-missions, rather this ayaah is explained in two saheeh volumes, Bukharee and Muslim. Ibn Katheer (MAy Allaah have mercy on him) mentions in his tafseer:
The Prophet (Peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: Allaah has made a promise to the person who goes out (to fight) in His cause; `And nothing compels him to do so except Jihad = in My Cause and belief in My Messengers. ' He will either be admitted to Paradise if he dies, or compensated by Allaah, either with a reward or booty if He returns him to the home which he departed from. [Bukharee, Muslim]
Compare that to the one who goes with the intention to die. Furthermore, it's an unfortunate fact that most suicide-bombings carried out are in the name of revenge or despair which is contrary to fighting in Allaah's Cause.
Also my respected brethen, the Ahle Hadeeth ulemaah in Palestine and the grand mufti of Palestine who are firmly rooted in salafiyaah the path of As Salaf As Saleeh, they have deemed this halaal, and they are actually there they understand all the circumstances and the precise context they are there, subhaan'Allaah Hee Azeem!
The ones who deemed it permissible are the Mufti of Palestine, Shaykh Yusuf Qaradawi and a few others whilst the majority includin' the major scholars deem it as prohibited.
Finally my fellow brethen in faith, remember this, you will find the scholars who are paid by the Government (puppet goverenments in the pockets of America and the west) are mainly the scholars who are against these martydom operations for obvous reasons, and you will the vast majority of the ulemaah who are free and fear Allaah azzawajjal alone and not paid or work for the government deem this halaal because of the teachings from the kitaab-ul-Allaah (Qur'aan) and wa'sunnah (sunnah of Muhammad sallallhulayi'wa'salaam). This last comment i do not wish to insult or backbite or slander against any scholar or person of knowledge may Allaah most high save me from this, i am merely stating a fact.
Akhee, while they exist, it's not wise to state that those who condemn it are "scholars for dollars" and this is slander even though it was not your intention to slander the scholars. Like I stated, most deem it as prohibited includin' the major scholars. Are they on the payrol? ofcourse not akhee, because that would be absurd. We have the Qur'aan and the Sunnah and we judge accordin' to them. And the evidence states that it's prohibited.
if the brothers link was removed becuase it was only a one sided fatwaah or article than i ask wasnt the fatwaah posted by kadafi too one sided against these martydom operations? At the same time we shoud not cause disrest or trouble here the admin team here are maash'Allaah top class, may Allaah (most mighty) reward them.
Allaah azzawajjal knows best.
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Akhee, how can it be "one-sided" fatwaa if the ones I posted explain the ones that are in the treatise. In fact, one can easily reconile both statements and derive the actual point. It is wrong to only use an ambigious statement where the Shaykh stated that it is permissible under certain circumstances and in the other statement, he deemed the suicide-missions as haraam accordin' to evidence and can only be permissible if it brings great benefit to the Ummah which it doesn't.
:w: akhee