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modez
11-10-2005, 03:01 PM
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Has anyone ever been told that the food you get in Makkah and Madinah is not 'all' halaal. There are only certain places where you can eat from, i.e (Al tazaj, Kudu and some others). Most meat cooked in restaurants, are mainly imported from countries like Holland!!. We were told of this, by many scholars in Makkah and many scholars in this country. Its very odd, a muslim country (the best in the world!), with no guarantee on halaal and haraam food. hmmm
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MetSudaisTwice
11-10-2005, 03:05 PM
salam
bro where is your solid source of this info?
wasalam
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modez
11-10-2005, 03:08 PM
I hope somone else can clarify this? It's very hard to convince you with proof... Anywayz we were told as i mentioned before by scholars in makkah. (this was about 6-7 years ago).
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Lonely_Boy
11-10-2005, 03:10 PM
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Well in restaurant Pakistani, Indain and Bangladeshi people work there if u ask them about this they will tell you that where this chicken come from .......they buy packet Chicken or buy Halal .......you can ask themselve too but here Pakistani Scholar also say that u don't eat from everywhere in MAKKAH AND MADINA.............May ALLAH (SWT) knows best

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MetSudaisTwice
11-10-2005, 03:12 PM
salam
are you saying it is hard to convince me? it is hard to convince most people without proof
and allahu alam
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modez
11-10-2005, 03:15 PM
You're getting the wrong end of the stick bro. As i dont have solid proof on me, its hard to convince...I soon will Insha'Allah. Relax a bit more.
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Lonely_Boy
11-10-2005, 03:19 PM
Originally Posted by metsudaistwice
salam
are you saying it is hard to convince me? it is hard to convince most people without proof
and allahu alam
wasalam
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Brother you are absolutely right at you side don't mind pls I am just explaning we try our best to find some proof ...sorry if u mind

Remember in prayers

JAZAKALLAH

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MetSudaisTwice
11-10-2005, 03:20 PM
salam
sorry bro, iwas asking politely, don't get me wrong
wasalam
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modez
11-10-2005, 03:31 PM
It's backfired on me (*raised eyebrow*), Bro ms2 i cant find no "solid proof".

I thought I would let everyone know, from what i knew on halaal and haram foods in saudi.
I still have a very strong opinion on this but i dont have the means to proof it. (very very frustrating, where's my punch bag)
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MetSudaisTwice
11-10-2005, 03:34 PM
salam
don't worry bro, am sure saudi take more caution now to prevent haram food in makkah and madinah
wasalam
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ahkar shams
11-10-2005, 04:07 PM
just when the issue seemed to have cooled down, i get to read this message to, i agree with everyone when you say you need proof to say its haraam whether in saudi or in the uk. having said that i have been told by people from the uk that the meat consumed there is not halal. i have no concreate proof as to if its haraam but the main thing is when you are unsure you should refrain from it.
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Lonely_Boy
11-10-2005, 04:15 PM
Originally Posted by ahkar shams
just when the issue seemed to have cooled down, i get to read this message to, i agree with everyone when you say you need proof to say its haraam whether in saudi or in the uk. having said that i have been told by people from the uk that the meat consumed there is not halal. i have no concreate proof as to if its haraam but the main thing is when you are unsure you should refrain from it.
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So True brother agree

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modez
11-10-2005, 04:16 PM
Originally Posted by ahkar shams
but the main thing is when you are unsure you should refrain from it.
Why do we have a discussion forum? So people can share their "views", I get to learn and you get to learn.. Not everyone here post threads with proof. Its simple, we are all learning.

I meant that in a respected way bro, no offence.
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Ibn Syed
11-10-2005, 09:56 PM
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You would expect Saudi to have Halal food, well, because it's Saudi. It would be really bad if the stuff was haram.
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karim
11-11-2005, 01:54 AM
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why you will say that brother cause thats a muslim contry.Not like USA and CANADA ect....they all halal food.

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montoyauk
11-11-2005, 02:03 AM
saudis ruled by royal family
who likes to casinos,women,banquets
giving jewels worth millions to kaffir royal family over here

and u think all foods are halal in saudi:giggling:

wouldnt u rather give millions to masjid or poor people.that way you gain rewards from allah(swt)

people watch tvs in the shops etc.only turn them off when there here azan

just think our beloved prophet came from there.........

these day and age people will sell haram foods to u for the sake of greed(money)
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Noor
11-11-2005, 02:44 AM
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It truly is a sad thing for a country like Saudi Arabia to have non halal food. One would expect that if any country should sell only halal food, it would be Saudia Arabia, since they have the financial means and 'follow the Shariah'.

On the topic of questioning or having doubt whether something is halah or not, I was told this by a Shaykh.

Say there was two friends and a big mac. One believes that eating the big mac is not haraam, as he believes that eating non halal food is not haraam. The other friend believes that eating this big mac is indeed haraam because he trusts that eating non halal food makes one punishable. If both were to bite the burger, one would sin. The sinner being the one who believes that eating non halal food to be haraam. We know that intentions play a huge role in getting the reward for doing a good deed or becoming sinful. As in the hadith
"Allah's Apostle said, "The reward of deeds depends upon the intention and every person will get the reward according to what he has intended."Volume 1, Book 2, Number 51, Sahih Bukhari

One does not become sinful if he did not intend to disobey Allah. The sin of performing a Haram act is not registered as such except for someone who performs it with premedititation. As for someone who performs it out of ignorance, such a person is not blameworthy. However, even if the action is done out of ignorance, that does not necessarily cancel the worldly consequences. Nor does it save such a person from punishment if someone in his case should know better.

Overall, one must always ask the restaurant owner in which he is purchasing a meal from, the contents of that meal, whether it is a halal or not. Regardless it is in Saudi Arabia or Timbuktu. There are cheap people everywhere that will sell you anything, so you gotta be careful!
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MetSudaisTwice
11-11-2005, 10:06 AM
salam
well said sis
jazakallah
wasalam
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Ameeratul Layl
11-11-2005, 10:14 AM
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U knw wat.....Im not saying im phsycic but I must admit: wen I eat sumthing haraam my tummy becomes very upset and I puck up for ages!!!!
MashAllah *blushes*...I have been to saudi for 3umrah 2wice. And I hav not pucked up!!!
Plus!! the food there is great. (Then again, I lived on ice cream most of the time.)

Allah ma3akum
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Ameeratul Layl
11-11-2005, 10:15 AM
[QUOTE=montoyauk;109226]saudis ruled by royal family
who likes to casinos,women,banquets
giving jewels worth millions to kaffir royal family over here

and u think all foods are halal in saudi:giggling:

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seriously bro...wat an earth has the As Saud family got to do with halal food. On the subject of woemn and casinos: Other brothers do that too (ashamed to say but its true)....so u are no one to judge. Plz stay on topic bro!!!

Allah ma3ak
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MetSudaisTwice
11-11-2005, 10:20 AM
salam
ans also there is no proof that the royal family do such things, have some respect for the arabs
as our Prophet SAW was an arab too
wasalam
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S_87
11-11-2005, 10:25 AM
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interesting read
It is known for sure that Saudia Arabia import frozen meat.....
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MetSudaisTwice
11-11-2005, 10:30 AM
salam
so saudi import meat from countries that say thier meat is halal but it is not, the saudis intention is to import halal meat but they are being tricked by countries who put on halal stickers cunningly
saudi does not import haram meat intebtionally otherwise if they knew the meat was haram they wouldn't import it to the holy land
jazakallah for the link sis
wasalam
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Ameeratul Layl
11-11-2005, 10:31 AM
Originally Posted by metsudaistwice
salam
so saudi import meat from countries that say thier meat is halal but it is not, the saudis intention is to import halal meat but they are being tricked by countries who put on halal stickers cunningly
saudi does not import haram meat intebtionally otherwise if they knew the meat was haram they wouldn't import it to the holy land
wasalam

:sl: Absolutely correct bro. Plus!!! Im sure the saudis arent that silly to feed people haram food if they themselves know the consequences.Its a matter of common sence!! (not thats its that common these dayslol).

Allah ma3akum
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Muezzin
11-11-2005, 10:33 AM
If Saudi does have haraam meat, it's not necessarily the government's fault. Rather, private companies order it in.

But that's a big if.
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MetSudaisTwice
11-11-2005, 10:34 AM
salam
human beings don't realise that they get tricked or mislead by other people, if they relaised this action being done by other countries they wouldn't import meat
and they need to import meat from outer countries simply becasue the country cannot cope with the demand that is in saudi, many of the public and millions of people who come to saudi form outside of saudi for ramadhan, eid, umrah and hajj require food
wasalam

salam
mashallah that is true bro muezzin
wasalam
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montoyauk
11-13-2005, 06:13 AM
reply to post 20

the only respect i have for arabs is for our beloved prophets there family and sahabas.i have no respect for arabs in these day and age...

majority of them are corrupt giving loads of money to high class hookers.
casinos.gambling.drinking,clubbing.makes me sick:mad:


so who says that foods in (Makkah, Madinah) are halal.

when the acts there commit are haram themselves
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Bittersteel
11-13-2005, 06:39 AM
Saudi Arabia is not best Islamic country,don't think so.
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virago
11-13-2005, 07:54 AM
Salaam,

A couple of years ago, there has been talk that some restaurants in the UAE import meat from the Netherlands. However, I do remember that the restaurants mentioned were shawarma outlets.

And a Kuwaiti company provides meat for certain restaurants in the Gulf.

http://www.americana-group.net/index.php

Brother montoyauk, I happen to be an Arab and while I do agree that MANY Arabs are beyond corrupt, there are MANY righteous Arabs as well.
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Bittersteel
11-13-2005, 08:27 AM
glad to hear it.

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kashifdogar
11-13-2005, 10:44 AM
Al-Quran is the eternal miracle. It is the last Book of Allah sent for the guidance of humanity through the last Prophet, Muhammad, peace be upon him (PBUH).
The Quran was revealed piecemeal throughout a period of about 23 years. The Prophet received the first revelation in 610CE, in the Cave of Hira in the Mountain of Light (Jabale-Noor), two and a half miles away from the House of Allah in the city of Makkah in Arabia.
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kashifdogar
11-13-2005, 10:46 AM
Hadîth is next important source of Islamic Law after the Qur'ân. It is widely observed that many Muslims (as well as non-Muslims) are unaware of how the ahâdîth (pl.) are studied and classified into various categories. In this section we would briefly discuss the sciences of hadîth that leads to their classification into various grades of authenticity.
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kashifdogar
11-13-2005, 10:47 AM
A teacher had many good students in his class but had particular regard and high respect for one of them. Some of the students one day asked the teacher the reason for this. In reply he said, I shall tell you tomorrow."
The next day, he handed to each of those students one live chicken. He asked them to take the chickens to a place where they would not be seen by anyone and then slaughter them. After a while, they returned with their chicken duly slaughtered. But his favourite student came back with his chicken alive.
The teacher asked him why he had not slaughtered it. He replied. "You had asked me to go to a place where nobody would see me. I tried hard to find a place where God Almighty could not see me. But I failed. Everywhere went I was sure that God could see me and I could not hide from Him. So I could not carry out your instructions.
On hearing this, the teacher turned to the other students and remarked, "The reason why I respect this student more is because of his constant awareness of the existence of God who can always see him, no matter where he is. Consequently, he does not commit any sin".
The sixth Imam, Ja'far al-Sadiq (a), said to one of his friends, lshaq Bin Ammar, "Fear God as if you are able to see Him because He sees you. And if you think that He is not able to see you, then you become a non-believer. And if you believe that He sees you and you commit a sin in His presence, then you consider Him as the lowest of those seeing you".
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virago
11-15-2005, 08:30 AM
Salaam,

[Possible] proof that non-Muslim countries falsely claim that their meat is halaal:

My sister once saw fish fingers with a "halaal" sticker on them.

:haha:
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Halima
11-16-2005, 01:51 AM
:sl: let's stay on topic inshaAllah :w:
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Ra`eesah
11-16-2005, 02:19 AM
Assalamu'Alaykum

I saw this and i thought it might be relevent to this thread and InshAllah also put our minds at rest.

Question :
I know that this question has been addressed, but I am still confused as to all the circumstances in which it is permissible. Basically, is it permissible to eat meat from restaurants if it is not known whether the name of God has been pronounced at the time of slaughtering of the animal.
Answer :
Praise be to Allaah. If these restaurants are in a country where the slaughter of meat is taken care of by Muslims or People of the Book (i.e., Jews and Christians), or the restaurant owners take care of the slaughter themselves and they are Muslims or people of the Book, then it is permissible to eat there, even if we do not know whether they mentioned the name of Allaah over the slaughter or not, because the basic principle is that their meat is allowed. Al-Bukhaari (2057) narrated from ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) that some people said, “O Messenger of Allaah, some people bring meat to us and we do not know whether they mentioned the name of Allaah over it or not.” The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Say the name of Allaah over it and eat it.”
But if the slaughter of meat is taken care of by people other than Muslims or people of the Book, such as atheists and Hindus, then it is not permissible to eat it.
It should be noted that meat slaughtered by a Muslim or a Jew or Christian is permissible if it was slaughtered in the manner prescribed in sharee’ah or if we do not know how it was slaughtered. But if we know that it was slaughtered in a way other than that prescribed in sharee’ah, such as by strangling, electric shock, etc, then it is maytah or dead meat and it is haraam to eat it regardless of whether the one who killed it was a Muslim or a kaafir, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Forbidden to you (for food) are: Al‑Maitah (the dead animals — cattle — beast not slaughtered), blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which Allaah’s Name has not been mentioned while slaughtering (that which has been slaughtered as a sacrifice for others than Allaah, or has been slaughtered for idols) and that which has been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by the goring of horns — and that which has been (partly) eaten by a wild animal — unless you are able to slaughter it (before its death)”
[al-Maa'idah 5:3]
Shaykh Ibn Baaz in Fataawa Islamiyyah, 3/414
Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen said:
One of the following three scenarios must apply to this meat:
1 – We know that it has been slaughtered in the proper manner. This meat is halaal.
2 – We know that it has not been slaughtered in the proper manner. This meat is haraam.
3 – We are not sure; we do not know whether it has been slaughtered in the proper manner or not. The ruling in this case is that the meat is halaal, and we do not have to ask about how it was killed, or whether the name of Allaah was mentioned over it or not. Rather it seems from the Sunnah that it is better not to ask or try to find out. Hence when they said to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), “we do not know whether they mentioned the name of Allaah over it or not,” he did not say to them, Ask them whether they mentioned the name of Allaah over them or not, rather he said: “Say the name of Allaah over it yourselves, and eat it.” This tasmiyah or saying of the name of Allaah which the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told them to do is not the tasmiyah of slaughter, because the slaughter is over and done with. Rather it is the tasmiyah of eating, because what is prescribed is for the person who is eating to say the name of Allaah when he eats. The correct view regarding saying the name of Allaah when eating is that it is obligatory, because the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) enjoined it, and because if a person does not say the name of Allaah, the Shaytaan shares his food and drink.
If a person wants to be cautious and forego eating this meat, there is nothing wrong with that, but there is also nothing wrong with eating it.
From Fataawa Islamiyyah, 3/415
And Allaah knows best.
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