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Bittersteel
09-27-2005, 02:38 PM
What is the seven ahruf?

What is the Qiraat?

what are these alleged scribal errors?Are they in the Tashkent and topkapi manuscripts?

are these two the oldest surviving manuscripts?

Posted by someone in whyislam


Firstly, it's wrong to say "one of the copies sent out by the Caliph Uthman is still in existence today. It lies in the Museum of the City of Tashkent in Uzbekistan, Central Asia". In fact,only part (about 40%) of the copy in Tashkent (Samarkand manuscript) is ancient (although probably not from the 1st Century hijra, as it uses Kufic script), the rest is of much later date.

Secondly, the expression about "results confirming that there have not been any changes in the text from its original time of writing" is ambiguous, and is much too wide-reaching. There are many differences between the ancient manuscripts. As to their appreciation, significance and importance, it's a discussion for specialists.

Jeffery conducted a detailed comparison between the Samarkand text and an (apparently) equally ancient manuscript from the Khedivial Library in Cairo, and noticed a considerable list of differences (several hundred) including scriptural errors, missing or repeated words etc etc.

A critical edition of the Quran, comparing the different versions, would obviously be of great help but, to my knowledge, it has never been produced.
I was browsing a thread called Original copies of the Quran and I found this guy's posts.I supplied him the refutation(from islamic awareness) to this allegations made by Jeffery.



Last question:why was the Qibla changed from Jerusalem to Mecca?


Thanks in advance.and please umm...don't flame.Please brothers and sisters.

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Uthman
09-27-2005, 06:20 PM
Salaam Abdul Aziz :),

Originally Posted by Abdul Aziz
What is the seven ahruf?

What is the Qiraat?
Please see the following thread:

http://www.islamicboard.com/showthread.php?t=1202

Originally Posted by Abdul Aziz
what are these alleged scribal errors?Are they in the Tashkent and topkapi manuscripts?
The Qur'an at the time of Muhammad (SAWS) was no different than the Qur'an we have today. Here is a useful link about the alleged scribal errors:

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Qur...l/scribal.html

Another useful link (if you haven't already come across them):

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Text/Mss/

“so turn your face in the direction of Al-Masjid Al-Haraam (at Makkah). And wheresoever you people are, turn your faces (in prayer) in that direction”

[al-Baqarah 2:144]

When the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) first came to Madeenah, he used to pray facing towards al-Bayt al-Maqdis (Jerusalem), with the Ka’bah behind him and Syria in front of him. But after that he hoped [?} that Allaah would change that, so he started lifting his face towards the heavens, looking for Jibreel to come down with the Revelation telling him to turn towards the Ka’bah, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily, We have seen the turning of your (Muhammad’s) face towards the heaven. Surely, We shall turn you to a Qiblah (prayer direction) that shall please you, so turn your face in the direction of Al-Masjid Al-Haraam (at Makkah)”[al-Baqarah 2:144]

So Allaah commanded him to turn towards al-Masjid al-Haraam
Also, visit this link to see why:

http://www.drzakirnaik.com/pages/qanda/9.php

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waji
09-27-2005, 06:21 PM
Aslam u Alikum
brother to ur first question i didn't got that word ahruf
2 Qiraat. it is the way u recite quran or read quran in the best way
3.according to my knowledge there are three Oldest Quran in the world right now of Usman (Razi Allahu Taala unho) years of khilafat one is in london second is in istambul and the third one is this one
3. Qibla was changed by Allah and there is only one point we can think it is because prophet Muhammad (Sal'Allahu Alahi Wasalam) like Makkah more than any other city
so Allah made it the Qibla
Allah know better and every thing
salam
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waji
09-27-2005, 06:32 PM
Aslam u Alikum
Osman brother good i was finding that ayat
jazak'Allah
salam
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kadafi
09-27-2005, 08:06 PM
In addition, the change of the Qiblah was also a proof and symbol that the leadership of the nations has been transfered to this Ummah. This is because Allaah (Exalted is He) has said in another verse that the Ummah of the Prophet is better than the Children of Israel.

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Bittersteel
09-28-2005, 01:54 PM
thanks everyone.
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Bittersteel
09-29-2005, 01:27 PM
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Qu...al/scribal.html

so there weren't any scribal errors?


I am confused about Jeffery.
What were this rival codices and the 'variant readings'?

Firstly, it's wrong to say "one of the copies sent out by the Caliph Uthman is still in existence today. It lies in the Museum of the City of Tashkent in Uzbekistan, Central Asia". In fact,only part (about 40%) of the copy in Tashkent (Samarkand manuscript) is ancient (although probably not from the 1st Century hijra, as it uses Kufic script), the rest is of much later date.
umm....what about this?
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Ansar Al-'Adl
09-30-2005, 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Abdul Aziz
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Qu...al/scribal.html

so there weren't any scribal errors?
There are no scribal errors in the Qur'an. When copies of the main maunscripts were being made, if anyone made even the slightest slip of the pen it would have been easily noted. Manuscripts that contained any mistakes in copying were corrected by the Muslim community when they were compared to the other Manuscripts.

I am confused about Jeffery.
What were this rival codices and the 'variant readings'?
Jeffery was a man who tried and tried to find an example of variants in the Qur'anic manuscripts, but all his attempts proved futile as he himself was forced to admit that all the volumes examined show no example of textual variance. (See Al-Azami's book p. 206).

In his conclusion, he followed in the path of all the other orientalists who reluctantly had to admit that the Qur'an today has been perfectly preserved since its revelation.
http://www.islamicboard.com/showpost...63&postcount=4

You mentioned that you were unable to acquire the material I referred you to on the compilation and preservation of the Qur'an. If that's the case, you should not be trying to debate this subject until you acquire that material.
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Bittersteel
10-01-2005, 01:35 PM
okay but umm...last one.what's this guy saying about 40% being ancient and the rest of later date?

these rival codices were completely fabricated?

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Bass
10-01-2005, 03:08 PM
What's Ahruf???
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Uthman
10-02-2005, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Bass
What's Ahruf???
http://www.islamicboard.com/showthread.php?t=1202

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Bittersteel
10-02-2005, 03:55 PM
SURAH:2: 230. So if a husband divorces his wife (irrevocably), He cannot, after that, re-marry her until after she has married another husband and He has divorced her. In that case there is no blame on either of them if they re-unite, provided they feel that they can keep the limits ordained by Allah. Such are the limits ordained by Allah, which He makes plain to those who understand.


umm...wait.Is it necessary for the women to marry another husband?

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Ansar Al-'Adl
10-02-2005, 08:12 PM
Originally Posted by Abrar
umm...wait.Is it necessary for the women to marry another husband?

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:sl: yes, after a divorce then you can't re-marry just like that.

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Bittersteel
10-03-2005, 09:31 AM
well brother what is the full explanation of the verse?

and how a divorce must be carried out?

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Bittersteel
10-16-2005, 04:40 PM
Did different schools of thought had an impact on hadith and fatwas?
when did the tafsirs of the verses come into existence?

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Ansar Al-'Adl
10-17-2005, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Abrar
Did different schools of thought had an impact on hadith and fatwas?
Different schools of thought use various ahadith to give different fatwas. I'm not sure what you mean by a school of thought having impact on hadith andd fatwas.
when did the tafsirs of the verses come into existence?
Tafsir is the explanation of a verse and its always existed, as the Prophet saws used to explain the verses, and the companions would explain them after him.

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Bittersteel
10-18-2005, 01:52 PM
and it was preserved throughout the ages?was it umm...written down in a book or something?

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Ansar Al-'Adl
10-19-2005, 01:52 PM
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Tafsir of the Prophet saws and his companions is found in many ahadith which were recorded very early on.
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- Qatada -
10-19-2005, 02:02 PM
seriosly.. no offence to the bros - but this is really irritating, not the fact that you want to learn more about islam, but the fact that people go to non muslims to give dawah when they dont hav full knowledge..

this leads the person who is giving dawah to weaken his own faith and question whether his own beliefs are right or wrong.. trust me - bro ansar doesn't even go to non muslim forums to give them advice - instead he gives dawah through the muslim forums.. the kafir will reject the truth unless Allah (swt) has removed the seal from their hearts... so let them come to islam to learn it (with a open heart). even the knowledgable people including the salaf stayed away from the kufar, because they know that hearts are weak and a person can fall into the trap so easily..


2.006: As to those who reject Faith, it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe.

2.007: Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur).


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Ansar Al-'Adl
10-19-2005, 09:54 PM
:sl: akhee,
You are absolutely right.
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Bittersteel
10-29-2005, 03:00 AM
As for the direction to pray: Most people in Arabia prayed towards Mecca in the first place, due to the predominance of pagan worship there. Once Mohummad created Islam, he continued this practice.

Later he tried to get the powerful and influential Jewish tribes to join him, and thought that by making Muslims face Jerusalem would help in this. It failed. So he return the direction back to Mecca. He kill the tribes as well, but that's beside the point.
sadly some people still think its political.Did he try to make an alliance with the Jewish tribes and did they attack him?

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Ansar Al-'Adl
10-30-2005, 03:49 AM
:sl: br. Abrar,
There's not much to say in response to that because the quote you provided is not supported by any evidence; it's just one [ignorant] individual's speculation. He can claim that the Prophet saws switched the Qiblah for this reason or that reason but it doesn't make it true unless evidence is provided. The answer to your question was already given in this thread by brother Muhammad, and brother Kadafi.

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Bittersteel
11-24-2005, 12:52 PM
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Are women allowed to be religious scholars or allowed to hold government positions?

What is the standard divorce procedure according to Sharia?

Did the division of schools of thoughts have an impact on rulings and hadiths and Sira biographies just like Warnsbrough alleged?

How authentic are the biography that we have today about the Prophet(PBUH)?

Specific fatwas will be welcomed.


To mods:You may merge this thread with Questions concerning Islam and Quran thread and also with the thread named What are the rulings for these.

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Halima
11-24-2005, 03:07 PM
:sl: Threads merged :w:


Now to answer your questions....


Women Working conditions:



A woman may work in hospitals, offices, and other work environments even though there are men present. Working in mixed environments is not unlawful as long as the woman feels safe and is secure from trials.

You may uncover your face and your hands in the country where you are staying now because of the practicalities of the situation that you have explained.

It is better for a woman to continue working if abandoning work would bring hardship upon her or upon those she is supporting
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Divorce Procedures:



woman should not ask for a divorce without a legal or valid reason as long as she can manage to live with her husband. Our Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “Any woman who requests her husband to divorce her without a valid reason will not smell the scent of Paradise.”

However, if a proper marital life has become impossible between the two or if it has become simply unbearable for her, then it is permissible for her to ask for divorce. Allah says: “But if they separate, Allah will provide abundance for each of them from His all-reaching bounty.

Authenticy of the Prophet (saw)'s biography

Evidences of the Prophethood of Muhammed (peace and blessings be upon him) are plenty. They can be divided into two major areas. One is the evidence from religions previous to the birth of Muhammed (peace be upon him), which foretold of a mighty messenger to come. Some of the examples are taken from the present Bible.

The other evidences are from incidents during the life of Prophet Muhammed (peace and blessings be upon him), which clearly authenticate his selection to the mission by Allah the Almighty. They are numerous and are shown under different headings
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If you have any more questions please ask.



Rescource: www.islamtoday.com
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Bittersteel
11-24-2005, 03:26 PM
thanks sis.
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~Raindrop~
11-24-2005, 03:31 PM
salaam
of course women are allowed to become religious scholars....im doing the course at the mo.
wassalam
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safwana
11-24-2005, 04:40 PM
[What is the seven ahruf?

What is the Qiraat?

Last question:why was the Qibla changed from Jerusalem to Mecca?


seven hurf is the seven ways you can pray the quran.

Qirat is 2 pray the quran the way shaikh sudis nd shuraim pray it.

the qila was changed due 2 allahs command.

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libyanhero
11-24-2005, 04:52 PM
Originally Posted by aisha
salaam
of course women are allowed to become religious scholars....im doing the course at the mo.
wassalam
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:clever: Mashallah, May Allah bless your road for you... Ameen, its good to know there are sisters out there who are striving for knowledge
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