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sonz
12-26-2005, 07:18 PM
Britain's Churches will be well on the way to extinction by 2040 with just two per cent of the population attending Sunday services, according to a new report.


If current trends continue, churchgoing will plummet by two thirds over the next three decades while Islam will mushroom, the statistical analysis by the Christian Research organisation says.

By 2040 there will be nearly twice as many Muslims at prayer in mosques on Friday as Christians worshipping on Sunday, it says.

Moreover, the average age of Christian congregations will have risen to 64 as the young abandon the churchgoing habits of older generations in the face of growing secularisation.

The total membership of all the denominations will fall from 9.4 per cent of the population to under five per cent by 2040, and 18,000 more churches will have closed, the report says.

The study paints a grim picture of a disestablished and demoralised Church of England struggling against the forces of secularism.

It foresees a nation in which faith schools have become multi-faith schools, Songs of Praise has been taken off the air, Alpha courses abandoned and Christmas rebranded as "Winterval".

The lifestyle of Christians will be no longer distinctly different from the rest of the population, "except in small sect-like groups that have retreated from society", says the report, The Future of the Church.

The seriousness of the crisis was acknowledged by the Bishop of Manchester, the Rt Rev Nigel McCulloch, who has been involved in previous Christian Research reports.

"It is no good Church leaders acting like company managers trying to present the statistics in the most favourable light," he said.

"The truth is stark. What these statistics need to do is to galvanise the Church into realising that it must communicate the gospel where people are or we will not deserve to have a Church."

The Bishop said the Church expended too much energy on relatively trivial matters. Too much time was spent on tasks such as reforming Synodical government or the liturgy, he said.

Peter Brierley, the executive director of Christian Research, said the study should act as a "wake-up call" to Church leaders.

"I hope that these findings concentrate minds in what is becoming a real crisis," said Dr Brierley, who has been collating Church figures for 40 years. "The story behind them is how few young people are being attracted to church."

He said the Churches had begun to tackle these issues with initiatives such as Fresh Expressions, which encourages new forms of alternative worship, but much more was needed. According to the report's projections, the proportion of the population describing itself as Christian in the national Census will have dropped from the 72 per cent recorded in 2001 to about 35 per cent in 2040.

Non-Christian religions, including Islam, will represent about 15 per cent of the population (up from six per cent in 2001), of whom about six per cent will be active worshippers.

All the main denominations, from the Church of England and the Roman Catholics to the Methodist and United Reformed Churches, are suffering from long-term decline, the figures show. The only groups to buck the trend are the non-white ethnic Churches.
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root
12-27-2005, 01:12 PM
Perhaps we could call this "progress". Either way I firmly believe that Islam will suffer the same fate as christianity, it only takes time and discovery................................
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sonz
12-27-2005, 02:35 PM
never will that happen until the day of judgement just watch.
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Rabi'ya
12-27-2005, 02:40 PM
To be honest, frm personal experience. Going to the masjid has a lot more to offer than going to church....just my opinion..and i think that the number of people attending masjid will continue to grow indefinitely, inshAllah

:w:

Rabi'ya:rose:
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Ghazi
12-27-2005, 03:40 PM
Salaam

Well do you expect the Church Of England was started By Henry the 8 cause he couldn't get a divorce
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root
12-28-2005, 01:42 PM
The History of the Church of England
An Ancient Church

The roots of the Church of England go back to the time of the Roman Empire when a Christian church came into existence in what was then the Roman province of Britain. The early Christian writers Tertullian and Origen mention the existence of a British church in the third century AD and in the fourth century British bishops attended a number of the great councils of the Church such as the Council of Arles in 314 and the Council of Rimini in 359. The first member of the British church whom we know by name is St Alban, who, tradition tells us, was martyred for his faith on the spot where St Albans Abbey now stands.

The British church was a missionary church with figures such as St Illtud, St Ninian and St Patrick evangelising in Wales, Scotland and Ireland, but the invasions by the pagan Angles, Saxons and Jutes in the fifth century seem to have destroyed the organisation of the church in much of what is now England. In 597 a mission sent by Pope Gregory the Great and led by St Augustine of Canterbury landed in Kent to begin the work of converting these pagan peoples. What eventually became known as the Church of England (the Ecclesia Anglicana - or the English Church) was the result of a combination of three streams of Christianity, the Roman tradition of St Augustine and his successors, the remnants of the old Romano-British church and the Celtic tradition coming down from Scotland and associated with people like St Aidan and St Cuthbert.

An English Church

These three streams came together as a result of increasing mutual contact and a number of local synods, of which the Synod of Whitby in 664 has traditionally been seen as the most important. The result was an English Church, led by the two Archbishops of Canterbury and York, that was fully assimilated into the mainstream of the Christian Church of the west. This meant that it was influenced by the wider development of the Western Christian tradition in matters such as theology, liturgy, church architecture, and the development of monasticism. It also meant that until the Reformation in the 16th century the Church of England acknowledged the authority of the Pope.

A reformed Church

At the Reformation the Western Church became divided between those who continued to accept Papal authority and the various Protestant churches that repudiated it. The Church of England was among the churches that broke with Rome. The catalyst for this decision was the refusal of the Pope to annul the marriage of Henry VIII and Catherine of Aragon, but underlying this was a Tudor nationalist belief that authority over the English Church properly belonged to the English monarchy. In the reign of Henry’s son Edward VI the Church of England underwent further reformation, driven by the conviction that the theology being developed by the theologians of the Protestant Reformation was more faithful to the teaching of the Bible and the Early Church than the teaching of those who continued to support the Pope.

In the reign of Mary Tudor. the Church of England once again submitted to Papal authority. However, this policy was reversed when Elizabeth I came to the throne in 1558.

The religious settlement that eventually emerged in the reign of Elizabeth gave the Church of England the distinctive identity that it has retained to this day. It resulted in a Church that consciously retained a large amount of continuity with the Church of the Patristic and Medieval periods in terms of its use of the catholic creeds, its pattern of ministry, its buildings and aspects of its liturgy, but which also embodied Protestant insights in its theology and in the overall shape of its liturgical practice. The way that this is often expressed is by saying that the Church of England is both 'catholic and reformed.'

At the end of the 16th century Richard Hooker produced the classic defence of the Elizabethan settlement in his Of the Laws of Ecclesiastical Polity, a work which sought to defend the Church of England against its Puritan critics who wanted further changes to make the Church of England more like the churches of Geneva or Scotland.

An established Church

In the 17th century continuing tensions within the Church of England over theological and liturgical issues were among the factors that led to the English Civil War. The Church was associated with the losing Royalist side and during the period of the Commonwealth from 1649-1660 its bishops were abolished and its prayer book, the Book of Common Prayer, was banned. With the restoration of the monarchy in 1660 this situation was reversed and in 1662 those clergy who could not accept this decision were forced to leave their posts. These dissenting clergy and their congregations were then persecuted until 1689 when the Toleration Act gave legal existence to those Protestant groups outside the Church of England who accepted the doctrine of the Trinity.

The settlement of 1689 has remained the basis of the constitutional position of the Church of England ever since, a constitutional position in which the Church of England has remained the established Church with a range of particular legal privileges and responsibilities, but with ever increasing religious and civil rights being granted to other Christians, those of other faiths and those professing no faith at all.

As well as being the established Church in England, the Church of England has also become the mother church of the Anglican Communion, a group of separate churches that are in communion with the Archbishop of Canterbury and for whom he is the focus of unity.

A comprehensive Church

The history of the Church of England from the 18th century onwards has been enriched by the co-existence within it of three broad traditions, the Evangelical, the Catholic and the Liberal.

The Evangelical tradition has emphasized the significance of the Protestant aspects of the Church of England’s identity, stressing the importance of the authority of Scripture, preaching, justification by faith and personal conversion.
The Catholic tradition, strengthened and reshaped from the 1830s by the Oxford movement, has emphasized the significance of the continuity between the Church of England and the Church of the Early and Medieval periods. It has stressed the importance of the visible Church and its sacraments and the belief that the ministry of bishops, priests and deacons is a sign and instrument of the Church of England’s Catholic and apostolic identity.
The Liberal tradition has emphasized the importance of the use of reason in theological exploration. It has stressed the need to develop Christian belief and practice in order to respond creatively to wider advances in human knowledge and understanding and the importance of social and political action in forwarding God’s kingdom.
It should be noted that these three traditions have not existed in strict isolation. Both in the case of individuals and in the case of the Church as a whole, influences from all three traditions have overlapped in a whole variety of different ways. It also needs to be noted that since the 1960’s a fourth influence, the Charismatic movement, has become increasingly important. This has emphasized the importance of the Church being open to renewal through the work of the Holy Spirit. Its roots lie in Evangelicalism but it has influenced people from a variety of different traditions.

A Church committed to mission and unity

From the 18th century onwards the Church of England has also been faced with a number of challenges that it continues to face today.

There has been the challenge of responding to social changes in England such as population growth, urbanisation and the development of an increasingly multi-cultural and multi-faith society.
There has been the challenge of engaging in mission in a society that has become increasingly materialist in outlook and in which belief in God or interest in ‘spiritual’ matters is not seen as being linked to involvement with the life of the Church.
There has been the challenge of providing sufficient and sufficiently trained clergy and lay ministers to enable the Church of England to carry out its responsibility to provide ministry and pastoral care for every parish in the country.
There has been the challenge of trying to overcome the divisions of the past by developing closer relationships between the Church of England and other churches and trying to move with them towards the goal of full visible unity.
As this brief account has shown, the changes that have taken place in the Church of England over the centuries have been many and various. What has remained constant, however, has been the Church’s commitment to the faith ‘uniquely revealed in the Holy Scriptures and set forth in the catholic creeds,’ its maintenance of the traditional three fold order of ministry, and its determination to bring the grace of God to the whole nation through word and sacrament in the power of the Holy Spirit.

For further reading

I Bunting (ed) Celebrating the Anglican Way

S C Neill Anglicanism

S Platten (ed) Anglicanism and the Western Christian Tradition


© The Archbishops' Council of the Church of England, 2004
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gladTidings
12-28-2005, 05:25 PM
Either way I firmly believe that Islam will suffer the same fate as christianity
Apparently Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world.
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Halima
12-28-2005, 05:29 PM
:sl:



An amazing phenomenon is that even though in years to come the number of muslims will supercede the number of christians/Jews, :eek: at the hereafter ie; Judgement day the number of Christians will outnumber Jews. Which is very interesting aswell. So its like a pattern here- muslims outnumber the christains and christians outnumber the jews.





Allah then tells him that his followers – both true and misguided – will count more than his enemies up to the Day of Judgment. This has been true up to now. At that time, it had been otherwise. The Jews had been more numerous at the time of Jesus in Palestine and Jesus’ followers were few. The followers of Christ (peace be upon him) suffered torture at the hands of both the Jews and the idolaters (the Romans). Allah’s promise came true. The number of Christians soon grew far greater than that of the Jews. Christians now count in the billions while Jews number only in the millions.


The number of Christians will remain more than the number of Jews up to the Day of Judgment. Allah’s promise will not be broken. On the Day of Judgment, Allah will judge between all of them about their differences in this world.
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afriend
01-01-2006, 01:07 AM
Wow! only 2%...some religion! then they celebrate christmas

Inshallah the houses of Allah will always be the prevailant....

May Allah give me the strength 2 go 2 the mosque regularly!!!!
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afriend
01-01-2006, 01:09 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by root
Perhaps we could call this "progress". Either way I firmly believe that Islam will suffer the same fate as christianity, it only takes time and discovery................................
I suppose you are a bit right....But then agen when Isa(AS) comes down there will be reinlightment of Islam so even if people stop goin mosque it will be ok after a while when Allah sends down to us signs!

[PIE]:w: [/PIE]
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afriend
01-01-2006, 01:11 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by Halima
:sl:



An amazing phenomenon is that even though in years to come the number of muslims will supercede the number of christians/Jews, :eek: at the hereafter ie; Judgement day the number of Christians will outnumber Jews. Which is very interesting aswell. So its like a pattern here- muslims outnumber the christains and christians outnumber the jews.





Allah then tells him that his followers – both true and misguided – will count more than his enemies up to the Day of Judgment. This has been true up to now. At that time, it had been otherwise. The Jews had been more numerous at the time of Jesus in Palestine and Jesus’ followers were few. The followers of Christ (peace be upon him) suffered torture at the hands of both the Jews and the idolaters (the Romans). Allah’s promise came true. The number of Christians soon grew far greater than that of the Jews. Christians now count in the billions while Jews number only in the millions.


The number of Christians will remain more than the number of Jews up to the Day of Judgment. Allah’s promise will not be broken. On the Day of Judgment, Allah will judge between all of them about their differences in this world.
well sorry 4 correctin u...But the Jews are more religious than christians...
although they are worse than christians!
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Malaikah
01-01-2006, 01:13 AM
salam

how much of the population is christian in the first place if only 2% go church?
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muslimahsays_hi
01-01-2006, 05:22 AM
How amusing, and yet it was predicted in the 1950s that the church attendance would decline. I occationally have to go to church with my God parents.. just confirms my belief in Islam, since when can we take a scripture and "interpret" it? the sentence says what it says, Islam accepts that and doesnt change it.
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Snowflake
01-01-2006, 05:00 PM
I love watching property programs and there was one which showed churches for sale. Obviously the fact that no one's attending these churches, which speaks for itself. These churches were being bought and converted into homes. Ummm nice airy buildings with lots of space ;)
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ummAbdillah
01-01-2006, 05:27 PM
wow manshalah
may allah increase the masjids even more
:amin:
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muslimahsays_hi
01-01-2006, 06:40 PM
lol thats funny turning them into homes. Actually, I think all churches should pay taxes, I mean..someone is getting paid, the preacher..so in the USA they should pay for the land they are borrowing.
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Muslim Knight
01-09-2006, 03:05 AM
Alhamdulillah! Allaah hu akbar!
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Ummu Amatullah
01-09-2006, 03:29 AM
format_quote Originally Posted by fozley
well sorry 4 correctin u...But the Jews are more religious than christians...
although they are worse than christians!
Asallama Alaikum brother so true Jews are more religious then the Christians,since Christians are the ones who are lost and the Jews the one's who earned Allah's anger.The christians at least the ones which I encounter,the best way to describe them is heathens.They have absolutely no religion they don't even care.Not just their young,but also their old.Mainly why?They think of Christianity as being blasphemous.Recently a friend of mine which converted Alhamdullilah,when she was telling me and some other sisters about her conversion,when she reached the idea about Church what she said was that the church is mainly a place were you go to do all these rituals and attend masses and etc..She said that there was no religious satisfaction in going to Church,but when she first stepped into the Masjid she explained it as the nearest thing to being close to Allah(.S.W.T).So if Christians themselves don't get any satisfaction in going to church or feel a deep bond with Allah(.S.W.T) which is the whole reason why they go to church,then why even wake up early Sunday morning and attend mass?If obviously Church has no impact on your life,unless you're completely bored and can't find anything better to do.If that's the case then why not do all of those rituals in your own house instead of waisting all of that precious time?
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Syed Hussain
01-09-2006, 10:13 PM
ASW
the mosques are being built everyday but is anyone building any churches or are they getting rid of it. this is another proof of islam.
ASW
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