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    Alleged Contradictions in Quran: Is Wine Consumption Good or Bad?

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    If wine consumption is an abomination, then why are the righteous promised copious amounts of it in the Garden which they are promised in the afterlife?


    "O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination,- of Satan's handwork: eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper," (5:90). "

    Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; and Grace from their Lord. (Can those in such Bliss) be compared to such as shall dwell for ever in the Fire, and be given, to drink, boiling water, so that it cuts up their bowels (to pieces)?" (47:15).

    Truly the Righteous will be in Bliss: On Thrones (of Dignity) will they command a sight (of all things): Thou wilt recognize in their faces the beaming brightness of Bliss. Their thirst will be slaked with Pure Wine sealed," (83:22-25).
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    Re: Contradictions in Quran: Is Wine Consumption Good or Bad?



    This is by no means a contradiction.

    The reason why alcohol is not permitted in this world is due it's harmful and evil affects. It causes the person to be robbed of their mental faculties and causes numerous harmful affects on the body, as we all know.

    In Jannat however, wine will not have these bad qualities as it does in the dunya. Allaah (subhaanahu wa ta'alaa) mentions:

    "..A cup from a gushing spring is brought round for them, White, delicious to the drinkers, Wherein there is no headache nor are they made mad thereby..." (37:45-47)

    Maybe someone can further elaborate inshaAllaah.

    Wallaahu A'lam.
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    The wine in Jannah will be for pleasure only, not to intoxicate the person.


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    [يُسْقَوْنَ مِن رَّحِيقٍ مَّخْتُومٍ ]

    (They will be given to drink of pure sealed Rahiq.) meaning, they will be given drink from the wine of Paradise. Ar-Rahiq is one of the names of the wine (in Paradise). Ibn Mas`ud, Ibn `Abbas, Mujahid, Al-Hasan, Qatadah and Ibn Zayd all said this. Ibn Mas`ud said concerning Allah's statement,

    [خِتَـمُهُ مِسْكٌ]

    (Sealed with musk,) "This means it will be mixed with musk.'' Al-`Awfi reported from Ibn `Abbas that he said, "Allah will make the wine have a pleasant aroma for them, so the last thing that He will place in it will be musk. Thus, it will be sealed with musk.'' Qatadah and Ad-Dahhak both said the same.

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    Re: Contradictions in Quran: Is Wine Consumption Good or Bad?

    Sarada you could have asked why we are allowed to drink whine in jannah but not in earth but to call this a controdiction is clearly an error.

    You yourself have realised that the hereafter and this world have completely different rulings. We will look different, feel different, hear differently, see differently, taste and think possibly differently. Whine WILL be different in the hereafter.

    There are many things in this life which is forbidden due to the test of life but permitted in the hereafter. Music/wine etc, silk/gold (for men) extravagance etc many many things.



    Please think twice before calling it a controdiction next time, it is very clear that there is NO controdiction
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    Re: Contradictions in Quran: Is Wine Consumption Good or Bad?

    Your alligations are completely WRONG
    like everyone has said above
    wine will taste different in Jannat-al Furdos
    because it will have no affects to you and if it had no affects on earth wine would be permissible, <---I don't know about THAT Allah knows best but judging by his reasoning it probably would be, but again Allah knows best.
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    Re: Contradictions in Quran: Is Wine Consumption Good or Bad?

    format_quote Originally Posted by IbnAbdulHakim View Post
    You yourself have realised that the hereafter and this world have completely different rulings. We will look different, feel different, hear differently, see differently, taste and think possibly differently. Whine WILL be different in the hereafter.

    There are many things in this life which is forbidden due to the test of life but permitted in the hereafter. Music/wine etc, silk/gold (for men) extravagance etc many many things.
    Does that mean, in the hereafter there won't be any religion or rulings etc?
    The only thing forbidden to Adam and Hawwa was a fruit which grew in a tree in heaven.
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    Re: Contradictions in Quran: Is Wine Consumption Good or Bad?




    In the Hereafter there will be either eternal bliss or eternal punishment.


    From what I know, there will be no need for rulings because we will not have rebellious feelings in Paradise [anger hatred, etc] will be removed and we will have pure feelings.


    In hell, lol you CANT be rebellious there coz erm...you cant. Lol it's beyond your power what will be happening to you, may Allaah save us Muslims from it, Ameen.
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    Re: Contradictions in Quran: Is Wine Consumption Good or Bad?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Nerd View Post
    Does that mean, in the hereafter there won't be any religion or rulings etc?
    ...
    Most likely. Given what we are told about paradise, I have concluded that our psychological structure will be different. Firstly, we won't have jealousy nor will we have anger. In fact, as far as I know, there will be no form of negative reinforcement at all - this coupled with the fact that we will be completely content and satiated (we can have anything our heart desires in Paradise - with no negative of any kind in our body, this only leaves the good) means that paradise will actually be blissful.

    In simpler terms, the rules we are bound by during our stay on earth will not be present in Heaven.
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    Re: Contradictions in Quran: Is Wine Consumption Good or Bad?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Sarada View Post
    If wine consumption is an abomination, then why are the righteous promised copious amounts of it in the Garden which they are promised in the afterlife?


    "O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination,- of Satan's handwork: eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper," (5:90). "

    Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; and Grace from their Lord. (Can those in such Bliss) be compared to such as shall dwell for ever in the Fire, and be given, to drink, boiling water, so that it cuts up their bowels (to pieces)?" (47:15).

    Truly the Righteous will be in Bliss: On Thrones (of Dignity) will they command a sight (of all things): Thou wilt recognize in their faces the beaming brightness of Bliss. Their thirst will be slaked with Pure Wine sealed," (83:22-25).

    Wine, in this world and the heavens - is only similar in name - and no other way or form.
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    Re: Contradictions in Quran: Is Wine Consumption Good or Bad?

    ^ ^Adam and Hawwa indeed did commit a sin in Heaven, even if they must have been (as you have assumed there) completely satisfied in heaven.

    And they were asked to keep away from a tree, which means we cannot completely rule out the possibility that Humans might have to follow certain rules even within Heaven
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    Re: Contradictions in Quran: Is Wine Consumption Good or Bad?



    Helloooooo!! That was different times!! At that time shaytaan was there...

    And heaven and Paradise are 2 different things anyway...
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    Re: Contradictions in Quran: Is Wine Consumption Good or Bad?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Nerd View Post
    ^ ^Adam and Hawwa indeed did commit a sin in Heaven, even if they must have been (as you have assumed there) completely satisfied in heaven.

    And they were asked to keep away from a tree, which means we cannot completely rule out the possibility that Humans might have to follow certain rules even within Heaven
    They were tempted by Shaytan who has since been banished to Hell. Also, from my knowledge, adam and hawa were in their human form in heaven. When we, inshallah, go we will be in a different body than the one we were in during our stay on earth. Different body - different psychological make up.
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    Re: Contradictions in Quran: Is Wine Consumption Good or Bad?

    format_quote Originally Posted by - Serene - View Post


    Helloooooo!! That was different times!! At that time shaytaan was there...

    And heaven and Paradise are 2 different things anyway...
    I do understand that heaven and paradise are two different places. Thank you for pointing that out.

    Like aamirsaab, have mentioned once in heaven maybe human beings will take a different form with a completely different mentality than we have on earth

    Allah Knows the best
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    Re: Contradictions in Quran: Is Wine Consumption Good or Bad?

    Re-read my post

    I didnt say Heaven and Hell

    I said Paradise and Heaven
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    Re: Contradictions in Quran: Is Wine Consumption Good or Bad?

    ^Sorry sister, it was a typo: its corrected now
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    Re: Contradictions in Quran: Is Wine Consumption Good or Bad?

    It seems most of you have slightly differing explanations. You all agree that this is not a contradiction, but, I have not yet seen a logical explanation. Surely, when one is in paradise, one should still obey Islamic Laws. Why would there be one law for this life, and another for the afterlife? Is virtue not an absolute quality? How can a vice become a virtue?
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    Re: Contradictions in Quran: Is Wine Consumption Good or Bad?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Sarada View Post
    It seems most of you have slightly differing explanations. You all agree that this is not a contradiction, but, I have not yet seen a logical explanation. Surely, when one is in paradise, one should still obey Islamic Laws. Why would there be one law for this life, and another for the afterlife? Is virtue not an absolute quality? How can a vice become a virtue?
    The large majority of Islamic laws are all there to help society. Essentially, the laws (like all laws actually) are based entirely on negative reinforcement; you follow them to prevent something ''bad'' happening. In paradise, since our psychological (and biological for that matter) make up will be different and we will be free from several emotions such as greed, animosity, anger etc. there will be no need for Islamic laws or any law system. You will ascertain complete control.

    Think of it as two seperate worlds: we have this one which is based on rules for our limited and imperfect body, and we have heaven which removes (seemingly all) rules because our body will be perfect in every sense of the word. And this coupled with the lack of any negative emotion will lead to a blissfull experience.
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    Re: Contradictions in Quran: Is Wine Consumption Good or Bad?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Saifur-Rahmaan View Post
    In Jannat however, wine will not have these bad qualities as it does in the dunya. Allaah (subhaanahu wa ta'alaa) mentions:

    "..A cup from a gushing spring is brought round for them, White, delicious to the drinkers, Wherein there is no headache nor are they made mad thereby..." (37:45-47)
    Where does it say that this spring is wine?

    format_quote Originally Posted by - Serene - View Post


    The wine in Jannah will be for pleasure only, not to intoxicate the person.
    Forgive me if I've missed something but where does it say it will not intoxicate? I can only see references to it being made to smell nice.


    If it is as SixTen said, similar in name only, why call it wine at all? It doesn't taste like wine, it doesn't intoxicate, why would anyone describe this as wine since the name is misleading and gives no indication as to the properties of the drink mentioned?
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    Re: Contradictions in Quran: Is Wine Consumption Good or Bad?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Azy View Post
    If it is as SixTen said, similar in name only, why call it wine at all? It doesn't taste like wine, it doesn't intoxicate, why would anyone describe this as wine since the name is misleading and gives no indication as to the properties of the drink mentioned?
    Because it will be a wine of different kind? Btw, it does mention one main difference in its properties -- it doesn't intoxicate.
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    Re: Contradictions in Quran: Is Wine Consumption Good or Bad?




    Here is an answer to the first post;


    Wine - Good or Bad?


    14 October 2005
    Hesham Azmy & Mohd Elfie Nieshaem Juferi
    We read the missionary claim regarding this supposed “contradiction” as follows:

    • Is wine good or bad? Is us forbidden on earth something that is truly good? Or is in Paradise not only allowed but provided in overflowing measures (rivers of…) something that is so bad that it is even called “Satan’s handiwork”?

    Response
    We believe that there can be no substitute for the ignorance exhibited, and that these concocted “problems” of the Christian missionaries is due to their sheer inability of understanding how tafsir is performed. In response to this alleged “contradiction” in the aforementioned verses, we would like to cite Harun Yahya’s “How Do The Unwise Interpret The Qur’an?” in order for the issue to be duly addressed:

    • Wine-drinking in Heaven


    One of the topics unwise people portray as a contradiction is how wine is served in Heaven when it is forbidden in this world. The verse that they use to make their claim reads:
    “An image of the Garden which is promised to those who have fear for God: in it there are rivers of water which will never spoil and rivers of milk whose taste will never change and rivers of wine, delightful to all who drink it, and rivers of honey of undiluted purity; in it they will have fruit of every kind and forgiveness from their Lord. Is that like those who will be in the Fire timelessly, for ever, with boiling water to drink which lacerates their bowels?” (Surah Muhammad: 15)
    As previously explained, this type of error of perception occurs when one is prejudiced, deliberately perverse, unable to reason, and has not grasped the Qur’an as a whole. Now, let us examine why such a thoughtless claim is illogical and baseless from several angles:
    First of all, we are able to see that there is a difference between the drink served in Heaven and the one of this world from the following verse:
    “With goblets, (shining) beakers, and cups (filled) out of clear-flowing fountains: No after-ache will they receive therefrom, nor will they suffer intoxication.” (Surat al-Waqi’ah: 18-19)
    As can be seen, the drinks served in Heaven do not have any of the negative effects and attributes that alcoholic drinks in this world do. As mentioned in the verse, they do not cause headaches or confuse the mind. This means that even though they give pleasure, they do not in any way cause drunkenness or illness. So there is not the least inconsistency in such a drink being offered in Heaven.
    Alcoholic drinks in this world, on the other hand, have always been portrayed in the Qur’an together with their many damaging and harmful attributes. Some of the verses that describe the destructive and negative nature of alcoholic drinks in this world are:
    “You who have faith! Wine and gambling, stone altars and divining arrows are filth from the handiwork of Satan. Avoid them completely so that hopefully you will be successful. Satan wants to stir up enmity and hatred between you by means of wine and gambling, and to debar you from remembrance of God and from prayer. Will you not then give them up?” (Surat al-Ma’idah: 90-91)
    “They will ask you about wine and gambling. Say, ‘There is great sin in both of them and also certain benefits for mankind. But the sin in them is greater than the benefit.’” (Surat al-Baqarah: 219)
    Obviously, it cannot be expected that characteristics of drinks that are forbidden in this world could exist in Heavenly ones. As God describes the Heavenly drinks, He emphasizes once more that they do not contain the harmful attributes of those in this world:
    “…a cup from a flowing spring passing round among them, as white as driven snow, delicious to those who drink, which has no headache in it and does not leave them stupefied.” (Surat as-Saffat: 45-47)
    The logic of anyone who sees this topic as a contradiction when God has made it all so clear must be seriously doubted. It is one of the Qur’an’s miracles that when a person approaches it with ignorance and ulterior motives, he will be incapable of understanding even the most obvious of topics. God describes the case of such a person in one of His verses:
    “No self can have faith except with God’s permission. He places a blight on those who do not use their intellect.” (Surah Yunus: 100)
    Secondly, in the Arabic text of the Qur’an the word khamr which stands for the word wine and all alcoholic drinks as we know them, is only mentioned in the above verse number 15 from Surah Muhammad as a drink served in Heaven. In all the other verses of the Qur’an, the word “sharab” is used for heavenly drinks, and means any type of drink in Arabic. In some English translations, the word sharab is translated as wine, whereas in Arabic it originates from the word “sherebe” and can be used to mean any non-alcoholic drink as well. One of the Qur’anic verses in which this word is mentioned where it means any drink is:
    “Where they will recline, calling for plentiful fruit and drink (sharab)…” (Surah Sad: 51)
    “They will wear green garments of fine silk and rich brocade. They will be adorned with silver bracelets. And their Lord will give them to drink of a pure draught (sharab) to drink.” (Surat al-Insan: 21)
    Exegesis of Qur’an 56:19 according to the Muslim Commentators
    The following are a collection of citations from the early Muslim commentators on the aforementioned verse to supplement Harun Yahya’s explanation. If this proves anything, it shows that missionaries never bother conferring Muslim sources whenever a “contradiction” appears to them.
    Ibn Kathir
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    “la yusadda’un ‘anha wa la yunzifun” — Their heads do not suffer from aches and their minds are not lost; they are even stable in association with extreme enjoyment and pleasant taste. Ad-Dahak related on authority of Ibn Abbas that he said: Wine (khamr) has four characters: intoxication, headache, vomiting and (voiding) urine; Allah (glory be to Him) has mentioned the wine of Paradise and exalted it above these characters. Mujahid, ‘Ikrima, Sa’eed Ibn Jubair, ‘Atiyyah, Qatada and As-Sadi said about “la yusadda’un ‘anha” there is no headache in it. They said about “wa la yunzifun” it means it does not cause loss of mind to them.1
    Al-Qurtubi
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    “la yusadda’un ‘anha” - Their heads do not suffer from aches due to drinking it meaning that it is a pleasure without harm on the contrary of the earthly drink. “wa la yunzifun” - It has been discussed in (Surat) As-Safat and it means that they do not get intoxicated till they lose their minds.2
    Imam An-Nasafi
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    “la yusadda’un ‘anha” - Because of it. The reality of this expression is that it does not cause headache to them or that they are not separated from it. “wa la yunzifun” - They do not get intoxicated. Man has nazaf i.e., his mind is lost due to intoxication.3
    As-Suyuti and Al-Mahalli
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    It means that it does not cause headache or loss of mind to them on the contrary of the earthly wine (khamr).4
    Az-Zamakhshari, Al-Baidawi and Ash-Shawkani gave similar statements in their respective tafsir of the Qur’an.5
    Conclusions
    We have quoted Harun Yahya’s explanation of this so-called “contradiction” and supplemented it with additional citations from the Muslim commentators. Their methodology is consistent with the traditional method of Qur’anic exegesis, i.e., al-Qur’an yufassiru ba’duhu ba’dan (different parts of the Qur’an explain each other). What is given in a general way in one place is discussed in detail in some other place in the Qur’an. What is dealt with briefly at one place is expanded in some other place.
    And only God knows best!

    1. Tafsir Ibn Kathir, Vol. 7, p. 330 [back]
    2. Tafsir-ul-Qurtubi, Vol. 17, p. 170 [back]
    3. Tafsir-un-Nasafi, Vol. 2, p. 636 [back]
    4. As-Suyuti and Al-Mahalli, Tafsir-ul-Galalin, p. 516 [back]
    5. See Az-Zamakhshari, Tafsir-ul-Kashaf, Vol. 4, p. 331; Tafsir-ul-Baidawi, Vol. 5, p. 247 and Ash-Shawkani, Fath-ul-Qadir, Vol. 5, p. 199 [back]

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