Term `islamism` in polish wikipedia (with translation to english)

**urbmich** · 06-13-2009

I found term `islamism` in polish wikipedia (I'm Pole) and after reading I decided to try to translate it to english for You and post it here for your comments. I'm interested in islam, but for now it's a bit of complicated for me (maybe because of messing western media). I'm conscious my english may be better and my translation has mistakes. I will be glad if you correct text by the way (I know it's not english language forum, but you can treat is like a help for Christian and we have common G-d ;])

Translation `islamism` from polish wikipedia (it may be controversial for you, muslims):

Some political scientist notices, that islamism is new term for predominating doctrine in islam from its beginning. In mainstream of islam both in sunni islam and shia islam, religion, nation and law are inseparable. It is duty for believing muslim - it is clearly come off from both Qur'an and tradition (Sunnah) - fight for instituting islamic nation and law around the whole world. Otherwise than in Christianity, islam don't provide separation of religion and nation and every act in aim of separation religious and laic has anti-religious character. In connection with this, islamism is in present-day islam, predominant political and intelectual movement.

According to Daniel Pipes, american political scientist, islamism constists of one of three answers islamic world for challenges of contemporaneity and predomination of western culture, next to secularism and reformism.

In islamists feeling, they were dominated by west, because they aren't good muslims. Hence conclusion that it's possible to restore lost in past glory only by returning to way of tradition and it's possible only in life in full subordination to Sharia law. Islamists strives to refuse all aspects of West influences: customs, philosophy, political institutions and values. "But despite those efforts, farther they takes from west a lot. Because still they need modern technology, especial for military and medicine. But on the other hand, themselves tends to modern lifestyle and because of this, they are deeper in that" - noticed Pipes.

**Suomipoika** · 06-15-2009

Originally Posted by aamirsaab

In which case, I would strongly urge the non-muslims (who feel cautious about muslims and Islam in general) to speak with muslims. Just normal day to day chinwagging (doesn't have to be something political or philosophical etc) because contrary to popular belief, all we want is to live peacefully. And eat some chicken.

Ironically I tried that, by arriving to this forum to discuss with and mostly find out what muslims think. I feel more worried about muslims than ever before when I was solely under the mercy of the press image of muslims.

**urbmich** · 06-15-2009

Originally Posted by Clover

Ok, good that you don't. My culture? I am lost. You know I'm not Muslim right?

I believe their is, I read a book on Fundamentals of Islam, and I am pretty sure it called Islamism the use of Islam for political means, let me try to find the book and what it said. I'll edit this once I find it.

Sorry, I missed that you aren't muslim.

**aamirsaab** · 06-15-2009

Originally Posted by Suomipoika

Ironically I tried that, by arriving to this forum to discuss with and mostly find out what muslims think. I feel more worried about muslims than ever before when I was solely under the mercy of the press image of muslims.

I said chin-wagging - not political and religious talk

. Most of the conversations that occur on LI are either political and/or religious. General chin-wagging like asking how your day was etc is what I meant. Now that is rare on the internet, but common in real life. Thus, my point is to go out and actually meet them in person and chin-wag; you'd be suprise at how normal we are

Also, I think you are the only one who has had that 'bad' experience. In fact, from my recollection, we’ve actually had several reverts to Islam as a direct result of their experience of this forum, so I guess it’s different for everyone.

Originally Posted by Urbmich

Islamism is in present-day Islam, predominant political and intelectual movement.".

Islam is a complete way of life that enompasses every angle; there are rules and regulations for political, social, economical, legal, health care, business etc. Islam pretty much covers every aspect. Some people love it, some people hate it.

Edit; it's good that you are asking questions.

**Suomipoika** · 06-15-2009

Originally Posted by aamirsaab

I said chin-wagging - not political and religious talk

. Most of the conversations that occur on LI are either political and/or religious. General chin-wagging like asking how your day was etc is what I meant. Now that is rare on the internet, but common in real life. Thus, my point is to go out and actually meet them in person and chin-wag; you'd be suprise at how normal we are

I'm not sure how to categorise muslims. There are many nice and good people here yet at the same time I'm afraid/worried of the political aspect and political opinions of muslims that are so heavily present in here. Would talking about weather or how his day was make you feel better about potential BNP member or voter no matter how polite or nice he was?

Also, I think you are the only one who has had that 'bad' experience. In fact, from my recollection, we’ve actually had several reverts to Islam as a direct result of their experience of this forum, so I guess it’s different for everyone.

Not really. A lot of non-muslim posters who have been here long time, sometimes even years, have eventually been banned, ever wonder why after so long time they take that route? How good was their experience?

**Muezzin** · 06-15-2009

Originally Posted by Suomipoika

I'm not sure how to categorise muslims. There are many nice and good people here yet at the same time I'm afraid/worried of the political aspect and political opinions of muslims that are so heavily present in here. Would talking about weather or how his day was make you feel better about potential BNP member or voter no matter how polite or nice he was?

If I was that averse to BNP members I wouldn't frequent a BNP message board.

If I was not willing to let go of my prejudices (regardless of how well-founded they might be) and at least listen to said BNP members, whom I am seeking out, the exercise would be rather fruitless.

If I went away with my prejudices reinforced as a result, that would be unfortunate. It would not be for lack of attempting to open my mind.

Not really. A lot of non-muslim posters who have been here long time, sometimes even years, have eventually been banned, ever wonder why after so long time they take that route? How good was their experience?

I can name two members who became Muslim as a result of this forum.

I can name the individual you're talking about who was banned. That's two members who became Muslim, and one who was banned. Two out of three ain't bad.

As for why he was banned, I can think of many reasons other than the ones you're implying (i.e. in that particular members' case, it was more a question of how much of his behaviour we would tolerate for how long).

And the real elephant in the room is that you are still here yourself.

Now maybe we can return to the topic. If you'd like an argument, do PM me.

Originally Posted by redblackmask

I don't mean to be rude, but its' not the western folks fault. When we hear all time of Muslims being involved in terrorist activities, we can't help but become a little cautious of Muslims.

And this is a fair, valid point to make.

An equally fair, valid point is, when voluntarily approaching such a group for clarification, to keep an open mind.

It takes two to tango. And to communicate.

**true believer** · 06-15-2009

personally I DIDNT UNDERSTAND THAT. im muslim but if u wanna know bout islam...ask a muslim dnt bother goin to some wikipedia which is just theories and "facts" from a NON muslim, a muslim person would know islam betta den a non muslim, mostly because non muslims like to take things out of context and twist the truth meaning of islam therefore naturally ppl try not to learn bout it. but i suggest u be more openminded...there r two sides to every story, ur choice whether u read both.

**AntiKarateKid** · 06-23-2009

Originally Posted by redblackmask

I don't mean to be rude, but its' not the western folks fault. When we hear all time of Muslims being involved in terrorist activities, we can't help but become a little cautious of Muslims.

Westerners have much more blood on their hands than "islamists". So I think we should be cautious of you no?