I have a question and hope it can be answered without prejudice(sorry, but I recieve it whenever i've asked so now i've resorted to the internet to get a realistic answer).
My question is that according to ISLAM (and not cultural peer-pressure and personal opinions), if a person born into a Muslim family later in life converts to Christianity, should their family completely disown/abandon them?
How can one accept falsehood and loss in this life and the next after guidance has come to him?!
Christians who came to Islam admitted that bible lead them to Islam, so what in the world can make one turn to the path of ambiguity and crookedness?!
Last edited by 'Abd-al Latif; 09-29-2009 at 10:17 PM.
And verily for everything that a slave loses there is a substitute, but the one who loses Allah will never find anything to replace Him.” [Related by Ibn al-Qayyim in ad-Dâ' wad-Dawâ Fasl 49]
Independent thought; a difference of opinion; freedom of belief?
Peace
The blind and the seeing are not the same?
What difference of opinion, independent thinking or freedom of belief is there when truth is made clear from falsehood? Truth is what is established as a fact and there is no Independent thinking , difference of opinion or freedom of belief that can change this!
Last edited by 'Abd-al Latif; 09-29-2009 at 10:31 PM.
And verily for everything that a slave loses there is a substitute, but the one who loses Allah will never find anything to replace Him.” [Related by Ibn al-Qayyim in ad-Dâ' wad-Dawâ Fasl 49]
What difference of opinion, independent thinking or freedom of belief is there when truth is made clear from falsehood? Truth is what is established as a fact and there is no Independent thinking , difference of opinion or freedom of belief that can change this!
That's a very simplistic, black-and-white understanding of the nature of truth.
You are talking about beliefs, not facts. It's not a good idea to confuse the two.
as I said, they should never be cast out, but it seems highly unlikely a muslim would regress-I don't mean to offend, but this is how I see it-to Christianity, after one is a Muslim, either you stay one, or you go agnostic/atheist, there is no way a person who truly understood the fundamentals of Islam would take stories about Jesus being God etc seriously. in a nutshell, factors other than pure faith/belief usually are the reason people leave Islam to Christianity in particular.
That's a very simplistic, black-and-white understanding of the nature of truth.
You are talking about beliefs, not facts. It's not a good idea to confuse the two.
Peace
You're an athiest, truth to athiests is seeing first to believe which is why what is established to be the truth among athiests can be limited and sometimes can make the truth very ambigious, even though belief and truth are two terms that go hand to hand.
You cannot believe unless something is deemed to be true, and truth cannot be established except with a firm belief of it's factual existance. Unless you have your own definition of truth (such as philosophy that defines truth with a nonsensical definition) than belief and truth are two terms that cannot stand by them selves, thus you cannot make a distinction between them.
Last edited by 'Abd-al Latif; 09-29-2009 at 11:47 PM.
And verily for everything that a slave loses there is a substitute, but the one who loses Allah will never find anything to replace Him.” [Related by Ibn al-Qayyim in ad-Dâ' wad-Dawâ Fasl 49]
Unless you have your own definition of truth (such as philosophy that defines truth with a nonsensical definition) than belief and truth are two terms that cannot stand by them selves, thus you cannot make a distinction between them.
You obviously don't know very much about philosophy. Never mind.
You obviously don't know very much about philosophy. Never mind.
Peace
Because I couldn't care less about such nonsense.
And verily for everything that a slave loses there is a substitute, but the one who loses Allah will never find anything to replace Him.” [Related by Ibn al-Qayyim in ad-Dâ' wad-Dawâ Fasl 49]
From what i've seen, if a person left Islam and tell about it to the whole world (plus talking bad thing about Islam)... he/she will become a celebrity and protected by western nations...
25:36 And the true servants of the Most Merciful are those who walk the earth with humility and when the ignorant address them, they respond with words of peace.
From what i've seen, if a person left Islam and tell about it to the whole world (plus talking bad thing about Islam)... he/she will become a celebrity and protected by western nations...
Its true as I see those things. Europeans love ex- muslims or liberal muslims or secular-european muslims. Then they allow them to join parliament or one political party other. But first they must reject the theocratic vision of politics and society. I must say that it is somehow wise move from the mainstream european politicians. But on the other hand, there is also a fashion to convert to islam in Europe since about 7-8 years, and the converts are not punished by law, although that typically as neofit, they are agressively anti- christian and anti- european and very vocal about it.
This country is dying because of a lack of men, not a lack of programs.
^right after conversion most people have 'zeal', and seek to-un/consciously?-'prove' themselves etc, it dissipates afterward.
It took Cat Stevens/Yusuf Islam almost two decades to come down to earth.
You find that those who have the most Zeal either have no background in Philosophy or Religious Studies or avoid those subjects at university because it would force them think about the bigger picture instead of the strict literalism they've embraced.
I smell young Rifaq's stories and seeking attention. Full of Twisting.
Alot of ex-Muslims are looking for benefits and attention on churches in giving Islam a bad image. Moreover, I have seen that they don't get understanding properly and influences by peer pressures and Non-Muslims friends (in conflict with Islam).
One of my friend's friend's deaf friend (not really my friend) chose to become stupid Christian for wrong reasons. Because Church (rich) can provide sign language interpreters and money support while Mosque is not available.
Absurd!
"When the Qur'an is read, Listen to it with attention, And hold your peace: That ye may receive Mercy" ~ 7:204
"Then do ye remember Me; I will remember You. Be grateful to Me, And reject not Faith. ~ 2:152
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