I was just wondering about the importance of facial hair for men. Can a man revert to Islam but not grow facial hair? I've noticed that some people put a lot of emphasis on this while others don't seem to care as much. Some men grow long facial hair on their chin but shave their mustache, others let it all grow. I've seen some just grow the goute'.
So what is the deal with facial hair? Does it matter? To me, it makes you look old if you have facial hair and not necessarily better. Some people look better with it, others don't.
In squiggle's post from yesterday, one of the reasons given for not shaving the beard was to avoid changing Allah's creation. Trimming the moustache would seem to fall into that category, though. Is the sin of changing Allah's creation overridden by the fact that the order to trim the moustache is in the message of the Prophet (pbuh)?
The post specifically said changing Allah's creation without permission, not just changing Allah's creation. Circumcision, clearing the armpits of hair, and trimming the moustache are not only permitted, but ordered and therefore obligated. When we are obligated to leave the beard to grow and trim the moustache, we comply. There is no contradiction.
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The post specifically said changing Allah's creation without permission, not just changing Allah's creation. Circumcision, clearing the armpits of hair, and trimming the moustache are not only permitted, but ordered and therefore obligated. When we are obligated to leave the beard to grow and trim the moustache, we comply. There is no contradiction.
So the answer is yes. Fair enough - thanks for clarifying.
This is an interesting topic and it's helping me to understand how Muslims follow the Sunnah. It's very confusing, but then I suppose attempting to imitate a man's life inevitably leads to various confusions arising.
In squiggle's post from yesterday, one of the reasons given for not shaving the beard was to avoid changing Allah's creation. Trimming the moustache would seem to fall into that category, though. Is the sin of changing Allah's creation overridden by the fact that the order to trim the moustache is in the message of the Prophet (pbuh)?
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Here we can get into splitting hairs over definitions and concepts of what is sinful, mahkrouf, haraam, halal, sunnah and fiqh. "Changing Allah's Creation" can be any one of those based upon the intent and reason for doing so. For example plucking one's eyelashes to be attractive to members of the opposite gender would be a sin. Doing so for health purposes would be halal. Trimming the mustache for the purpose of being sunnah would be at least halal and very probably fiqh. To trim it to attract women would be haram.
That must be painful. Muscle is easier to cut, but hairs are completely different story and assuming you don't want to inflict pain and lacerations. Even plucking with two shells was less harmful then those prehistoric shavers. I guess that was the reason shaving didn't became common until the invention of razor.
Razors have been around as long as many other types of blades. They just didn't look like these modern disposable razors.
At the time of the Prophet (SAW), cutthroat razors were probably used. They look like this:
I wouldn't come close to those razors for cutting my hair even by a mile.
It is not Al-Birr (piety, righteousness, and obedience to Allâh, etc.) that you turn your faces towards east and (or) west (in prayers); but Al-Birr is (the quality of) the one who believes in Allâh, the Last Day, the Angels, the Book, the Prophets and gives his wealth, in spite of love for it, to the kinsfolk, to the orphans, and to Al-Masâkîn (the poor), and to the wayfarer, and to those who ask, and to set slaves free, performs As-Salât, and gives the Zakât, and keep their word whenever they make a promise, and who are patient in extreme poverty and ailment (disease) and at the time of persecution, hardship, and war. Such are the people of the truth and they are Al-Muttaqûn (the pious).
I wouldn't come close to those razors for cutting my hair even by a mile.
Until the discovery of how to make tempered steel the old razors would have been very dull and shaving would have been more of scraping the beard off rather then cutting it off. Quite uncomfortable I would imagine. The old bronze razors would not have held an edge and because of the copper content in the bronze a nick would have been quite dangerous as copper is poisonous to humans. I would not be surprised if death caused by shaving occured often. It is surprising that shaving ever became a custom among any people.
The post specifically said changing Allah's creation without permission, not just changing Allah's creation. Circumcision, clearing the armpits of hair, and trimming the moustache are not only permitted, but ordered and therefore obligated. When we are obligated to leave the beard to grow and trim the moustache, we comply. There is no contradiction.
Brother Sampharo, you are a student of Hussain Yee?! Wow! I didn't know that.
I've watched several of his programmes and conference speeches on Peace TV. Mashaa'Allah he is a very peaceful and humble man. May Allah bless him.
Alhamdolillah yes. He spends a lot of time on his Al-Khaadem center where he is making magnificent work with orphans and dawah, but whatever time he has he uses for classes and lectures. Kindest man, proper scholar who speaks Arabic fluently and studied for decades in the greatest sheikh circles.
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Bro, is Hussain Yee a Chinese?
Yes, in descendency. Malaysians are of three races: Malay, Indian, and Chinese.
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Going bit off topic, but interesting to know when razor was invented. As far as I know modern style razor came in to use in 18th century.
I wouldn't come close to those razors for cutting my hair even by a mile.
Well yes of course NOW that you are looking at a picture of a tool subjected to the elements for hundreds of years. Back then it was a shiny straight piece of grooming equipment. Blacksmith craft was good enough to make needles that go through leather, and Japanese nihonto swords from the 10th century had an edge sharp enough to cleanly cut through bones.
Like brother Woodrow mentioned, tempered steel is when a real sharp edge started to be possible, and the chinese and indians had that since 300 BC, before even Christ, while the world famous Damascus Steel was available in the Middle East since the 5th century AD, meaning at least 150 years before the prophet's time.
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Bro, is Hussain Yee a Chinese?
Yes, in descendency. Malaysians are of three races: Malay, Indian, and Chinese.
wow..he is an inspiration Alhamdulillah...it shows how islam has been delivered all across the globe. Allahumma Salli 'alaa Muhammad wa 'alaa aali Muhammad...
Can a man revert to Islam but not grow facial hair?
Since nobody has answered this question... Yes, a man can become/be a muslim even if he doesn't grow facial hair. Allah is the most Merciful, Kind
(I'm a sister, so I'm not enough knowledgable about the beard-ruling, but) I hope you won't get confused because of it. Anyway, don't get your mind too mixed
Since nobody has answered this question... Yes, a man can become/be a muslim even if he doesn't grow facial hair. Allah is the most Merciful, Kind
(I'm a sister, so I'm not enough knowledgable about the beard-ruling, but) I hope you won't get confused because of it. Anyway, don't get your mind too mixed
May Allah guide you and the whole ummah
Salam bro. Yes, a muslim is still considered a muslim even if he shaves his beard, drinks alcohol, has illegal sexual intercourse, does MINOR shirk like doing acts of worship for others to see etc etc..but in all these mentioned acts, he is actually sinning. so he has to seek forgiveness from Allah and not indulge in such activities.
We ask Allaah Almighty to increase you in faith and to make you content with the truth.
Your question includes two issues:
1 – the ruling on cutting women’s hair. Shaykh Ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
We do not know anything (to disallow) cutting women’s hair. What is forbidden is shaving it. You should not shave your hair but you may cut it and reduce its length or volume; we know of nothing wrong with that. But that should be done in a proper manner which will please you and your husband. You should come to some agreement with him on a kind of haircut that does not resemble kaafir women, because if you leave it long, it will be a lot of trouble to wash it and comb it. So if the hair is very long or thick, and the woman cuts it to reduce its length or volume, that doesn’t matter. Cutting some of it will make it more beautiful, which will please both the woman and her husband. So we do not know of any reason to disallow that. But shaving it altogether is not permissible, except in the case of sickness. And Allaah is the Source of strength.
See Fataawa al-Mar’ah al-Muslimah, part 2, p. 515
It was narrated in Saheeh Muslim that Abu Salamah ibn ‘Abd al-Rahmaan said: “The wives of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to cut their hair until it came just below their ears.” (al-Hayd, 320)
Al-Nawawi said: this indicates that it is permissible for women to cut their hair short.
But women should avoid resembling kaafir women or immoral women when they cut their hair
Shaykh Saalih al-Fawzaan said:
It is not permissible for a woman to cut her hair short in the back and leave the sides longer, because this involves disfiguring and fooling about with her hair which is part of her beauty, and it also involves imitating the kaafir women. This prohibition also applies to haircuts which are named after kaafir women or animals, like the “Diana” cut, named after a kaafir women, or the “lion” cut or “mouse” cut, because it is haraam to imitate the kaafirs or to imitate animals, and because that involves fooling about with a woman’s hair which is part of her beauty.
Fataawa al-Mar’ah al-Muslimah, 2/516,517
2 – Removing facial hair.
Shaykh Muhammad al-Saalih ibn ‘Uthaymeen said:
With regard to hair which is abnormal, because it grows in places where hair does not usually grow, such as a woman having a moustache or hair growing on her cheeks, there is nothing wrong with removing this, because it is abnormal and is disfiguring to the woman.
The Standing Committee was asked about women removing facial hair, and they replied as follows:
It is OK for a woman to remove hair on the upper lip, thighs, calves and arms. This is not the same as plucking (eyebrows), which is forbidden.
‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz, ‘Abd al-Razzaaq ‘Afeefi, ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Ghadyaan, ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Qa’ood
Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 5/194, 195
The Standing Committee was also asked:
What is the ruling on a woman removing hair from her body; if it is permissible, then who is allowed to do that for her?
They answered:
It is permissible for her (to remove) everything except her eyebrows and the hair on her head; it is not permissible for her to remove those, or to remove anything from the eyebrows whether by shaving or any other means. She, her husband or one of her mahrams may do that for her, with regard to the parts of the body that they are permitted to see; or another woman may do that, with regard to the parts of the body that she is permitted to see
‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz, ‘Abd al-Razzaaq ‘Afeefi, ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Ghadyaan, ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Qa’ood
Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 5/194
The hair of the private parts and the thighs may not be seen by either another woman or a mahram.
It is forbidden for a woman to remove her eyebrows or part of them by any means, whether it be by shaving, cutting, using a depilatory substance, because this constitutes the plucking for which the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) cursed the one who does it, i.e., the women who plucks all or part of her eyebrows, claiming that it is for the purpose of beautification, or the woman who does that for her. This is changing the creation of Allaah which the Shaytaan promised to enjoin upon the sons of Adam.
Salam bro. Yes, a muslim is still considered a muslim even if he shaves his beard, drinks alcohol, has illegal sexual intercourse, does MINOR shirk like doing acts of worship for others to see etc etc..but in all these mentioned acts, he is actually sinning. so he has to seek forgiveness from Allah and not indulge in such activities.
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