I find it funny how you make so much assumptions about me when i'm purposelly answering you with general answers, since you're not actually making any specific points.
Its quite easy to reply with links, but i dont think thats really an argument. Anyone can do that.
It seems he doesn't know what he is talking about
It is not Al-Birr (piety, righteousness, and obedience to Allâh, etc.) that you turn your faces towards east and (or) west (in prayers); but Al-Birr is (the quality of) the one who believes in Allâh, the Last Day, the Angels, the Book, the Prophets and gives his wealth, in spite of love for it, to the kinsfolk, to the orphans, and to Al-Masâkîn (the poor), and to the wayfarer, and to those who ask, and to set slaves free, performs As-Salât, and gives the Zakât, and keep their word whenever they make a promise, and who are patient in extreme poverty and ailment (disease) and at the time of persecution, hardship, and war. Such are the people of the truth and they are Al-Muttaqûn (the pious).
Why would I need to summarize an entire body of scientific literature for people who willfully ignore opposing arguments? The evidence is there freely on the website. If you are too lazy or too obsessed with 'winning' an argument to actually read on a topic and educate yourselves then there is no point in me wasting my time doing your research for you. Why? Because I couldn't care less if people accepted evolution or not. I post for fun and doing work for lazy people ain't fun
Again, the research is there for all to read. Stop reading bad sources that's giving you misinformation.
It's just funny that you all want 150 years worth of scientific research to be demonstrated in a post on the internet. Amazing. I think this the type of laziness that has crippled the intellectual progress of Muslims. Dogma fails.
The 'evidence' has been thoroughly refuted and flaws have been painfully pointed out. This is a two street, The age of research means nothing.
On Growth and form by Dr. Thompson:
comes well after 'Darwinian evolution' and shoots it right between the eyes, yet I haven't heard any of you make mention of his research.. is it selective reading? intellectual dishonesty, or a topic well over your heads that the best you can do is bully people with logical fallacies and so-called numerous research spanning decades. Every topic from Zoroastrianism to big foot has massive research spanning centuries. How do you sort between fact and fiction before you ask others to subscribe to your brand of truths and try so hard to silence a guffaw which ironically is being had at your expense!
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
The ancestor of the apes and pigs were the Jews .Thus its The apes had come from from humans
Because of their constant defiance and blasphemy of GOD Almighty's Divine and Holy Words, some Jews were transformed into swines and apes during Prophet Moses (peace be upon him) times:
"Say: "Shall I point out to you something much worse than this, (as judged) by the treatment it received from God? those who incurred the curse of God and His wrath, those of whom some He transformed into apes and swine, those who worshipped evil;- these are (many times) worse in rank, and far more astray from the even path!" (The Noble Quran, 5:60)"
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When truth is hurled at falsehood , falsehood perishes. because falsehood by its nature is bound to perish [21:18- Holy quran]
The 'evidence' has been thoroughly refuted and flaws have been painfully pointed out. This is a two street, The age of research means nothing.
On Growth and form by Dr. Thompson:
comes well after 'Darwinian evolution' and shoots it right between the eyes, yet I haven't heard any of you make mention of his research.. is it selective reading? intellectual dishonesty, or a topic well over your heads that the best you can do is bully people with logical fallacies and so-called numerous research spanning decades. Every topic from Zoroastrianism to big foot has massive research spanning centuries. How do you sort between fact and fiction before you ask others to subscribe to your brand of truths and try so hard to silence a guffaw which ironically is being had at your expense!
*sigh*
You couldn't find an older piece of reference? I honestly cannot believe that you would cite a book written before the Modern Synthesis in order disprove it. Really now, if you are going to talk about science and then use outdated references then there is SOMETHING wrong. You might as well have quoted Newton on Einstein
Check out pubmed and how many articles presuppose evolution...
And yes, Zoroastrianism is still taught in philosophy classes today and Big-Footology is studied extensively in any credible university. It's sad that you are so incapable of critical thought.
The ancestor of the apes and pigs were the Jews .Thus its The apes had come from from humans
Because of their constant defiance and blasphemy of GOD Almighty's Divine and Holy Words, some Jews were transformed into swines and apes during Prophet Moses (peace be upon him) times:
"Say: "Shall I point out to you something much worse than this, (as judged) by the treatment it received from God? those who incurred the curse of God and His wrath, those of whom some He transformed into apes and swine, those who worshipped evil;- these are (many times) worse in rank, and far more astray from the even path!" (The Noble Quran, 5:60)"
I laughed as hard reading this as you did writing it.
You couldn't find an older piece of reference? I honestly cannot believe that you would cite a book written before the Modern Synthesis in order disprove it. Really now, if you are going to talk about science and then use outdated references then there is SOMETHING wrong. You might as well have quoted Newton on Einstein
Are you a freaking hypocrite or what? you are not the fellow writing of '150 yrs worth of 'research' so funny but the brand of evolution you spew is actually older and far less relevant than this book, and I doubt you have read anything on the topic past a frequent reference which you can't gauge to save your dear life!
truly there is nothing worse than ignorance save for little knowledge!
Check out pubmed and how many articles presuppose evolution...
Have you actually read the articles? I have when you allege for instance as one of the articles does that a frameshift mutation causes a change from ape jawline to a humanoid like one and can't prove it, it is rendered nothing more than speculative and theoretical for we all know that the results of framshift mutations are Tay-Sachs disease, CCR5 HIV receptor and some types of familial hypercholesterolemia amongst others!
I laughed as hard reading this as you did writing it.
That is because you are plain pathetic it doesn't take me two minutes to refute you!.. I'd get those outbursts checked out it is a sign of mental illness!
all the best
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
Are you a freaking hypocrite or what? you are not the fellow writing of '150 yrs worth of 'research' so funny but the brand of evolution you spew is actually older and far less relevant than this book, and I doubt you have read anything on the topic past a frequent reference which you can't gauge to save your dear life!
truly there is nothing worse than ignorance save for little knowledge!
Lol. There is at least 150 years worth research in physics too but that doesn't mean you should be citing old sources. Get current research.
And what do you mean my brand of evolution is older than your book? Do you know what the currently accepted paradigm is amongst biologists? Do you think biologists think Adam and Eve were the first two humans and all humans resulted from them? Or do you think its common descent? What do you think the mass majority of biologists believe in? The problem with your book is that it was dated before the Synthesis. Since then, in light of the evidence accumulated in different fields, evolution is accepted by most biologists. Go to your Uni or whatever and ask the biology department.
That is because you are plain pathetic it doesn't take me two minutes to refute you!.. I'd get those outbursts checked out it is a sign of mental illness!
all the best
So you think apes and swine were descended from Jews? I think you ought to check for mental illness ;\
Lol. There is at least 150 years worth research in physics too but that doesn't mean you should be citing old sources. Get current research.
And what do you mean my brand of evolution is older than your book? Do you know what the currently accepted paradigm is amongst biologists? Do you think biologists think Adam and Eve were the first two humans and all humans resulted from them? Or do you think its common descent? What do you think the mass majority of biologists believe in? The problem with your book is that it was dated before the Synthesis. Since then, in light of the evidence accumulated in different fields, evolution is accepted by most biologists. Go to your Uni or whatever and ask the biology department.
You should perhaps teach yourself that then before peddling a '150' year old idea as if they were biblical? .. as for your brand of evolution.. well I wasn't the one mentioning '150' yrs, perhaps you should think before you tighten the noose around your own neck?
1- hypocrite
2- appeal to authority without gauging any topic beyond referencing us to a website (btw my undergrad and masters were in molecular biology) and there is no 'consensus' beyond your delusions as to 'agreed upon'
3- I never stated that my book was the only refutation, it is a refutation amongst many and on the first page I have linked to ultra modern research
4- what the hell are you talking about with 'synthesis'. yes we synthesis, synthesis do you have a point?
So you think apes and swine were descended from Jews? I think you ought to check for mental illness ;\
according to you we are all descendants from an apely common ancestor so I don't see why the Jews should be excluded or are they too good to be true? you are only a pig and an ape if you choose to be by your deeds and actions!
pls. take a hike!
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
I laughed as hard reading this as you did writing it.
I 'll have the last laugh then as Scientists have indeed confirmed that the closest animals, in both DNA and characteristics, to humans, are the pigs and monkeys and Darwin is wrong .
I guess you didn't like the taste of your own medicine. We can throw around general links and references here and there, all around, but that wouldn't be discussion. Here we are having a discussion. Nobody expects you to come up with your own research, of course you can reference works, but what is expected is to have a discussion and not "read this and that" which you have done so far.
People usually do this when they have an opinion about something but they don't really know about it.
It is not Al-Birr (piety, righteousness, and obedience to Allâh, etc.) that you turn your faces towards east and (or) west (in prayers); but Al-Birr is (the quality of) the one who believes in Allâh, the Last Day, the Angels, the Book, the Prophets and gives his wealth, in spite of love for it, to the kinsfolk, to the orphans, and to Al-Masâkîn (the poor), and to the wayfarer, and to those who ask, and to set slaves free, performs As-Salât, and gives the Zakât, and keep their word whenever they make a promise, and who are patient in extreme poverty and ailment (disease) and at the time of persecution, hardship, and war. Such are the people of the truth and they are Al-Muttaqûn (the pious).
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