Do Muslims who go to hell have a chance to go to heaven?

Shirk is only unforgivable, hence, who is not contaminated with Shirk should have hope that he/she will be sent to Heaven (Jannah).

A person who fails to establish the Salah is not considered a Muslim...

format_quote Originally Posted by Uthmān

A person who fails to establish the Salah is not considered a Muslim...

I agree, but what about those who establish it on Friday's or in month of ramadhan does it still apply to them

I heard Bilal Phillips say if a person abandons the salah entirely meaning he never establishes any prayer then he's not a Muslim.

But I heard Assim Al Hakeem say it applies to the 5 daily prayers, they had two diff opinions.

the sad thing is brother much of the ummah doesn't pray except for fridays and ramadhan

majority of the ummah would be non muslim I have dream to see masjid filled 5 times a day like it is on jummah day

format_quote Originally Posted by Nabiel

I had always been confused by some of my muslim friends who talk non-sense all the time. Do they not fear Allah Aza Wajal and that Judgement Day is true? They got their pile of excuses everyday but today, I need to know the answer to this question. Do Muslims who go to hell have a chance to go into heaven?

brother this question cannot possibly be answered by anyone because ONLY Allah knows who will go Jahannam and for how long whether it is forever or for a certain perioud of time.

What we have to concentrate on is avoiding the possibility of entry into Jahannam and we have until our souls reach our throat to ask forgiveness from and seek refuge from him from Jahannam for Allah is the most merciful, most kind and compassionate and he will forgive even shirk as long as we sincerely repent before death and Allah only gives the ability to ask for forgiveness of those he wants to forgive for those people that he does'nt give the ability to repent he wants to punish them just like Phir'awn when he tried to say the kalimah but Allah filled his mouth with water before he could.

Therefore iin regards to this question you should say ONLY Allah knows best but you should remind those people of the punishments of the grave and Jahannam which are a possibility for any of us unless we change ourselves for the better and devote ourselves to fulfilling the obligations Allah has put on us.

Show them these lectures about death, the grave and Jahannam:

Angel of Death!!! - Sheikh Ahmed Ali

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUzRJXlB2uA

Imam Anwar al-Awlaki - Death (The Destroyer of Pleasures) [part 1/4]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieX7ZQtHl0s

Imam Anwar al-Awlaki - Death (The Destroyer of Pleasures) [part 2/4]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KK_2sVGMW08

Imam Anwar al-Awlaki - Death (The Destroyer of Pleasures) [part 3/4]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpmzA2hk1Bo

Imam Anwar al-Awlaki - Death (The Destroyer of Pleasures) [part 4/4]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km39GfL62TQ

Imam Anwar al-Awlaki - The Journey of the Soul

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAwHEXE3-n0


HARD HITTING Lecture on HELLFIRE & the Day of JUDGEMENT! يوم القيامة والجحيم

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0O6L_fBk7VM

Sheikh Ahmad Ali - Hellfire Talk Part 1/3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWTehIeCOUU

Sheikh Ahmad Ali - Hellfire Talk Part 2/3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXTtk7rWx_U

Sheikh Ahmad Ali - Hellfire Talk Part 3/3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmiD86w9fBc


Islam - Punishment of the Grave by Sheikh Riyadh ul Haq

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWb-hYIm2WE

Death and the Grave by Murtaza Khan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r2nzJVecqo

How can we not appreciate what we have after watching this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkEBUC0APMg

If you die as a Muslim then you will be going to Heaven, but maybe not straight away, you might go to Hell first and then Heaven

format_quote Originally Posted by Nabiel

But in my opinion, it's really unfair.

Imagine a Muslim killing millions of people including their own brothers and sisters and doesn't actually follow the sharee'ah. Doesn't Fast,Perform Salat, Pay Zakat and go to Mekkah for the Pilgrimage even though he has a million money.

Maybe I could refer this situation to Imam Hussain who's been killed a group that has been led by Hurr(Correct me if I'm wrong)

That example of a muslims is someone who is not really a muslim so I don't think he'd ever go to jannah, but if he did carry out his islamic duties but still murdered millions, if Allah did not forgive him in this dunya then he'd get punished in jahanam before going to janah.

It is fair if only you knew how severe the punishment in hell is gonna be, like others said a few minutes of punishment could feel like years and it would be a long long time before that person would eventually get out of hell.

our ummah will be few on judgment day its the signs of the times when nobody will pray. may Allah keep our imaan intact and keep us on the straight path and protect us from looking down on others who are less fortunate in imaan Ameen. let us be thankful for what we are blessed with

format_quote Originally Posted by Zundrah

That sounds like purgatory to me. Does Islam have the same theory about a cleansing fire that the Catholic church does?

Not sure if its been specifically mentioned about some cleansing fire, each sin has its own unique punishment not just burning in hell and its no theory. ei; for backbiting you have to eat the raw flesh of the person you backbited on etc

I didn't know in purgatory you got cleansed by fire, I thought you got to chill until you'd been declared cleansed since its not part of hell, so how does being cleansed by fire fit in with 'salvation' I thought you guys can never be punished for anything


Also the actual cleansing happens after the punishment before you actually enter the gardens you'll have to go into a specific river of heaven which will remove the blackness and uglyness of sin from back and purify you, something like that anyway I'm sure someone can post up the exact hadiths explaining it in detail

format_quote Originally Posted by Uthmān

A person who fails to establish the Salah is not considered a Muslim...

salaam

Not realy true -

You'll have to openly reject Islam to be classified as a non muslim - If the person thinks he still a muslim then outwardly he is even if he doesnt read salah.

peace.

format_quote Originally Posted by islamirama

what's your source?

Salaam

As your article says that there are varied opinions about this issue - But here it is from the article you have used.

If he does not deny that it is obligatory, but he neglects it because of laziness, for example, then he is guilty of a major sin (kabeerah), but he is not considered to be beyond the pale of Islam.

we are not talking about a person who rejects the five prayers as farz but doesnt read them.

peace

I forgot the name of the scholar, but he was claiming that Muslims who don't do any good deeds and commit sins all their lives should not expect to enter heaven just because they believe in God and the Hereafter. This is all speculation, but why take the risk of not entering heaven.. do good deeds and stay away from big sins before you die, life is extremely short. I have known many people, young and middle-aged, male and female, who thought they had a whole life ahead of them. They all died.

Brother Zafran, with respect what Islamirama meant by source and reference is evidence from Quran or Sunnah, not some words between quotation marks.

Islamic rulings must all be derived from Quran and Sunnah and have evidence showing them, and scholars are only researchers who studied them, authenticated the narrations, and learned the linkages, and therefore should always demonstrate such evidence when talking about rulings. That way everyone insha Allah will actually learn, not just hear sentences and then guess whether it is a correct or incorrect opinion.

This matter has degressed into whether prayer is kufr Akbar or kufr Asghar, and that is not what the subject originally was about so I'll just point out quickly a couple of pieces of information:

Minority of scholars including early Hanafi's said that whatever makes a person a kafir, surely is made a muslim again with a declaration that "There is no god but Allah..." and since the person declares it and believes in it then he is not completely out of the fold of Islam. And regarded the kufr in the hadiths (already brought by Islamirama) to be referring to kufr asghar.

The vast majority of scholars regard this though to be kufr akbar taking one out of the fold of Islam. It was also documented that the salaf (companions and tabe'in) have not agreed on anything the neglect of which was outright kufr and apostacy, EXCEPT prayer, stating unanimously that whomever doesn't pray was a non-muslim and was not buried with muslims. Also there is reference that the shariah ruling is that the judge may ask for someone claiming to be muslim but neglecting all prayers to be brought before him, and order him with his authority to pray or be declared an apostate. If the man still defiantly rejects prayer, that is when the judgement of apostacy is passed.

Whether such a person will go to Hell forever or not however is an entirely different thing, and we have no knowledge and dare not trespass upon Allah's judgement or Mercy. There are proofs in Sunnah that show people who did not pray all their lives were inspired to pray mioments before their death and we were told they went to heaven (such as the story of the two brothers). There is the companion who declared Islam and did not pray a single prayer but went out and died and was regarded a muslim and buried with muslims. So we know the ruling, but we do not pass the Hell or Paradise judgement on any specific person as we do not know what Allah will judge him by.

Now this hadith of the prophet is clear and that takes us back to the main subject:

"Whomever have said "There is no god but Allah" and has the weight of a mustard seed of faith in his heart, will leave Hellfire" (Sahih Bukhary)

The hadiths that echo the one above are in the DOZENS in both Sahih and other authenticated books of Sunnah. The established belief is that all muslims who recited the Shahada truthfully will eventually go to Paradise Allah willing. Some muslims will go to heaven without account or reckoning. Some will go to paradise after reckoning of their sins and being forgiven. Some will reside in Hell for a while until the intercession of the prophet -s.a.a.w.- relieves them out of Hellfire or the mercy of Allah catches up to them.

"Allah does not forgive that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgives anything else, to whom He pleases; to set up partners with Allah is indeed to devise a sin Most heinous." [4:48]

We do not go further than this and start pointing fingers at who will make or who wouldn't, as this is the realm of Allah's mercy and judgement.

For those who are confused like brother Nabiel about the fairness in this, you need to learn about three things:

1- 3- Allah's name is "Al-AAdl" meaning The Just. We understand your thoughts brother Nabiel that you had, however you need to guard yourself against such thoughts and statements and learn that objections of this type are objections against Allah's rulings and a challenge to his justice, which is clearly blasphemy. Before anyone can appoint themselves as a critic of what is and is not fair, remember also that you yourself as a human have sins and would hope and pray that they are forgiven.

2- Ask yourself that: You are right to think that someone who commited crimes should be punished for them, but why would you think it is also fair that a disbeliever who rejected Allah altogether should be equated with a person who believed and accepted Allah? The verses in the Quran that describe those who go to paradise are ALWAYS starting with: "Those who believe and hold their prayers...". Any budhist or hindu like you are suggesting who does good deeds, does it for their own reasons and not for Allah and therefore have no right to ask Allah's reward specially after receiving the Quran and the messages and rejecting them. They may ask for their paradise from whatever it is they were worshipping. A muslim, no matter how bad, is still a believer in Allah, and that is the fundamental portion of our religion before being kind to others or doing the good deeds.

3- What makes you think that spending thousands (if not millions or longer) of years in hellfire suffering constant pains and torture worse than death every single moment of every hour of every day of those long thousands of years, is going to be a breeze? Would you dare three days? A lifetime equivelent to this one? Two lifetimes? Would you actually stand being next to them hearing their screaming? Additionally, when they leave Hellfire, they will enter the lower levels of paradise and reside there, while the muslims who went directly will be in the higher levels and will be rewarded as per their strength of faith and their efforts and deeds.

May Allah guard us against even the sight of Hell.