Why do Muslims want to move to "Western" countries?

**Kashnowe** · 10-04-2010

i was recently reading about how france outlawed the burka and hijab in public as well as head scarves in school. i understand the burka and hijab as being seen as a threat to security as a man could very well be under that black veil, you would not know. it would be a very clever and useful disguise for criminals. i do not undertand the law about head scarves in schools, (also turbin, yarmulka,a nd crucifixes) as i think we are all reminded every day that each person is an individual and should not be forced to make themselves invisible, as most religious people actually identify with their religion as their whole reason for being, they should be able to dress accordingly. some are fat, some are tall, none invisible. if a person did not want themselves to be known then they should stay home.

the head scarf law reminds me of communist china. next everyone will be forced to wear a uniform in public....? it just doesn't make sense to me. my mother told me when she was a child all women had to conver their heads in church too.

many people are offended but "when in rome, do as the romans do" right?

so everyone here has heard that the Muslim world does not agree with "western civilization" so then why are there millions and millions of Muslims living in western countries? why are there lotteries for people desperate to escape their just, fair, loving Muslim communities to live among heathens and temptation and evil? why would you want to move to the UK or the US or France if you know they are countries with Christian forefathers and their laws do no reflect the law of Islam and their people are not all tolerant of Islam?

why then do people move here and still talk negativly about the place they tried so hard to belong to. why would you want to follow our laws if you find them insulting? why would you want to raise your children here if you do not agree with the values of the society, which your child will surely be exposed to on a daily basis?

if it is because these western countries offer more money and jobs then why not ask yourself why is my country in peril? have our leaders let us down? have our laws not brought prosperity? have our leaders not invested in our future? instead people leave, rather than being part of the solution they just quit.

it seems to me if Allah wants you to live a certain way, moving to America does not fit into that equation for millions of reasons.....like not being a Muslims country etc etc

**aadil77** · 10-06-2010

Originally Posted by Kashnowe

and we welcomed you all with open arms. the hostility seems misplaced. no?

Who 'is' we? and what 'hostility'?

You don't own the land you happen live in - so don't try to show us this false sense of ownership and authority, if god wanted he could've turned the whole of USA upside down - then you'd have nothing

you americans have too much nationalism messing around with your brains

**AzizMostafa** · 10-09-2010

@ Why do Muslims want to move to "Western" countries?
Because Muslims follow peace-loving leaders and Scholars?
http://typophile.com/node/53099?page=2#comment-322450
http://typophile.com/node/53099?page1#comment-320686

**Maryan0** · 10-09-2010

Originally Posted by marwen

Actually, westerners were too kind and visited us in the previous century (as colonists), so we loved them and we wanted to act like gentlemen and visit them back.

lol
In answer to the poster, people will go where the money is. My family went from E.Africa to Italy to Canada and even within Canada from eastern Canada to western Canada based on where has better work and cheaper living. Although I do believe Canada and Canadians are for the most part good people if not muslim.h
*The problem isnt with the west but with western foreign policy.
Salam

**titus** · 10-10-2010

nd we welcomed you all with open arms. the hostility seems misplaced. no?

Who 'is' we? and what 'hostility'?

You don't own the land you happen live in - so don't try to show us this false sense of ownership and authority, if god wanted he could've turned the whole of USA upside down - then you'd have nothing

you americans have too much nationalism messing around with your brains

Well, I can see some hostility in that post.

Also, I don't see where he implied ownership. After all if someone was talking about Islam and called it "my religion" that would not mean they thought they owned it.

Who are "we"?

you live in the USA i suspect.

what's your ancestry?

were your great-great-great-great-great ...........great-great-great.....great parents USA citizens as well?

For me, my ancestry is German, Irish, Scottish, English and Cherokee (and whatever else the amateur genealogists in my family have failed to find) and my son is also part Korean. We are all 100% American.

So yes, some of my great-great-great-great-great-etc grandparents were here in what is now the USA.

Not that it matters, really. I mean, what is the time limit on becoming a native? How many generations "allow" you to call a place home? I know that some of my European ancestors have been in this country since at least the early 1800's, and my family first moved to East Texas where I live now during the Civil War.

I am an American. This is my country. I consider myself just as much as an American as anyone from Egypt considers them Egyptian, anyone from China considers themselves Chinese or anyone from Sweden considers themselves Swedish, and I don't know many Americans that feel all that much different than I do about it.

**Woodrow** · 10-10-2010

Originally Posted by titus

Well, I can see some hostility in that post.

Also, I don't see where he implied ownership. After all if someone was talking about Islam and called it "my religion" that would not mean they thought they owned it.

For me, my ancestry is German, Irish, Scottish, English and Cherokee (and whatever else the amateur genealogists in my family have failed to find) and my son is also part Korean. We are all 100% American.

So yes, some of my great-great-great-great-great-etc grandparents were here in what is now the USA.

Not that it matters, really. I mean, what is the time limit on becoming a native? How many generations "allow" you to call a place home? I know that some of my European ancestors have been in this country since at least the early 1800's, and my family first moved to East Texas where I live now during the Civil War.

I am an American. This is my country. I consider myself just as much as an American as anyone from Egypt considers them Egyptian, anyone from China considers themselves Chinese or anyone from Sweden considers themselves Swedish, and I don't know many Americans that feel all that much different than I do about it.

Peace Titus,

Your Tsalagi (Cherokee) side of your family tree would see the rest of your ancestors as having been invaders who answered hospitality with hostility.

I think for the most part we all at one time were invaders that came from the east into the west and were seen to greet hospitality with hostility. Perhaps we all need to look at our past and see how we all have treated the host in the countries we migrated to and the hosts need to remember the days they were the invaders and faced the same problems today's migrants face. Perhaps it is not a question of hospitality/hostility but fear of the unknown and new challenges to be faced.

To blatantly steal and paraphrase from something I read a long time ago (I forgot the source of the original)

"My family came to America because they heard the roads were paved with gold. When they got here they discovered the roads were not paved with gold, in fact the roads were not even paved. They were expected to do the paving. Furthermore they were sold shovels at inflated prices and ordered to pave the roads and after they did, they were accused of stealing jobs from American road builders."

**Muhaba** · 10-10-2010

Originally Posted by Woodrow

"My family came to America because they heard the roads were paved with gold. When they got here they discovered the roads were not paved with gold, in fact the roads were not even paved. They were expected to do the paving. Furthermore they were sold shovels at inflated prices and ordered to pave the roads and after they did, they were accused of stealing jobs from American road builders."

beautiful quote

**almahdali** · 10-11-2010

western never impress me at all... i don't feel like migrating to europe or the US anymore after i've learned about EU... nothing interesting, boring and learning about europeans makes me headache

**Ramadhan** · 10-11-2010

Originally Posted by titus

For me, my ancestry is German, Irish, Scottish, English and Cherokee (and whatever else the amateur genealogists in my family have failed to find) and my son is also part Korean. We are all 100% American.

So yes, some of my great-great-great-great-great-etc grandparents were here in what is now the USA.

Not that it matters, really. I mean, what is the time limit on becoming a native? How many generations "allow" you to call a place home? I know that some of my European ancestors have been in this country since at least the early 1800's, and my family first moved to East Texas where I live now during the Civil War.

I am an American. This is my country. I consider myself just as much as an American as anyone from Egypt considers them Egyptian, anyone from China considers themselves Chinese or anyone from Sweden considers themselves Swedish, and I don't know many Americans that feel all that much different than I do about it.

My question was addressed to Kashnowe who wrote:

and we welcomed you all with open arms. the hostility seems misplaced. no?

I am sure you don't share the same view as kashnowe, right?

**titus** · 10-11-2010

Which view in particular?

Welcoming immigrants with open arms or thinking that such hostility is misplaced?

I certainly did my part in welcoming immigrants with open arms. I married one.

And yes, I think there is often hostility and that it is misplaced.

**Ramadhan** · 10-11-2010

Originally Posted by titus

Which view in particular?

Welcoming immigrants with open arms or thinking that such hostility is misplaced?

I certainly did my part in welcoming immigrants with open arms. I married one.

And yes, I think there is often hostility and that it is misplaced.

In the context of the exchange between Kashnowe and Aadil77, Kashnowe implied that "we" exclude muslims and that muslims are hostile towards all americans.

Surely you don't share her view, no?

**Muezzin** · 10-11-2010

I think the appeal of Westerns has something to do with Clint Eastwood and John Wayne.

**Muhammad** · 10-11-2010

Greetings,

Originally Posted by Kashnowe

i understand the burka and hijab as being seen as a threat to security as a man could very well be under that black veil, you would not know. it would be a very clever and useful disguise for criminals.

Criminals can disguise themselves in whatever manner of clothing they wish. In fact, many people carry out crimes without even being disguised. So it doesn't make sense to blanket ban a particular set of clothing - especially when the vast majority of people wearing it have proven to be absolutely no threat to society. Anyone determined to be a criminal will still be a criminal, regardless of which type of clothing is banned.

i do not undertand the law about head scarves in schools, (also turbin, yarmulka,a nd crucifixes) as i think we are all reminded every day that each person is an individual and should not be forced to make themselves invisible, as most religious people actually identify with their religion as their whole reason for being, they should be able to dress accordingly. some are fat, some are tall, none invisible. if a person did not want themselves to be known then they should stay home.

the head scarf law reminds me of communist china. next everyone will be forced to wear a uniform in public....? it just doesn't make sense to me. my mother told me when she was a child all women had to conver their heads in church too.

Nobody is "forced" to do anything, especially in the west. People are free to become Muslims, and when they do, they follow the guidelines given by God. If they don't want to choose that path, they are free to do as they wish (although in the end, everyone will be answerable to God for their decision). So your analogy to Communist China bears no relevance here. The only "force" that is being used is by those who are forcing women to expose themselves and wear the clothes (or more accurately, the lack thereof) of the west!

many people are offended but "when in rome, do as the romans do" right?

But we are not in 'Rome'. Some parts of the West celebrate cultural diversity. They believe people should have the freedom to practice whatever faith and culture they wish. So long as it is not causing any harm, there is no problem. But sadly some of the people who boast about freedom and human rights are the very same who are snatching it away, without valid justification, from their citizens...

**titus** · 10-12-2010

In the context of the exchange between Kashnowe and Aadil77, Kashnowe implied that "we" exclude muslims and that muslims are hostile towards all americans.

Surely you don't share her view, no?

"We", meaning Americans as a whole, do not exclude Muslims. Just the opposite.

And no, I don't believe Muslim Americans are hostile towards Americans. In fact some of the most pro-American people I know are Muslim.

Sure, there are exceptions. There are Americans that want to exclude Muslims, and there are an extremely small number of Muslims that are hostile towards America and Americans, but those are the exceptions, not the rule.

**Woodrow** · 10-12-2010

Originally Posted by titus

"We", meaning Americans as a whole, do not exclude Muslims. Just the opposite.

And no, I don't believe Muslim Americans are hostile towards Americans. In fact some of the most pro-American people I know are Muslim.

Sure, there are exceptions. There are Americans that want to exclude Muslims, and there are an extremely small number of Muslims that are hostile towards America and Americans, but those are the exceptions, not the rule.

Although I have only lived in 3 or 4 States as a Muslim I would say that matches what I have experienced. I find more curiosity than anything else.

For some reason in America the 2 groups you would expect to be the most against America (Muslims and Native Americans) seem to be the strongest supporters of America. Possibly some American Muslims do not follow Islam as they should or possibly they see a side of America not seen in the media outside the USA. Strange as the majority of American Muslims are immigrants. But perhaps because they are immigrants they came with an attitude favoring America over their homeland is the reason. Perhaps the demographic of the Muslim population in the USA can give a clue.

Read this, click HERE

Looking at the above link, perhaps the answer is because of the high level of success Muslim Immigrants have had in the USA.

**Argamemnon** · 10-12-2010

Originally Posted by Kashnowe

i never said i thought america was right or better. i just wanted to know why the majority of *reported opinions is that we are not good and do not hold the same values that muslims hold dear. i would not choose to live in a satanist colony if i thought they could offer me a better job. lol.

and i'm not saying i don't want muslims here. thats not true at all. and by no means do i wish to generalize the religion based on the extremist views we see on the news. i am fully aware that most muslism are lovely peaceful people. i am fully aware every religion and country has nut jobs.

i don't agree that people have the right to live wherever they want. thats just not true and never was. you can live wherever you want if you destroy the inhabitants and take it over....i.e. war. but you don't have a right to do that. lol if thats true then what the heck are the palestinians and the israelis fighting over?

i don't support the war we are in now.
i have my problems with all governments. havent heard of one being free from corruption yet.

As far as I know, Muslims are not "destroying" the U.S.. rather the opposite is true. Your troops are currently raping thousands of my Iraqi and Afghani sisters. The Muslim world has far more to complain about the western world.

**greenshirt** · 10-12-2010

When a Caliphate is established insha allah I will move to Muslim lands. In the mean time, I feel that in the Muslim countries there are so many people who wish to interpret laws their own way and implement it. I must say, I feel safer in the west. And I can practice my religion freely alhumdullillah!

Never will pledge allegiance to the USA but I appreciate the rights I am given in this land.

**nousername** · 10-12-2010

Everytime there is an influx of "exotic" immigrants to the US, Americans get all worked up and paranoid that they will "change" the culture, or over rule with their own beliefs. This isn't new at all. It happened to every ethnic group, with exception to English immigrants. Italian, Polish, Japanese, Mexican, etc. all experienced the xenophobia that Muslims are currently going through. This will pass too in time, inshaALlah.

**Argamemnon** · 10-13-2010

Originally Posted by nousername

Everytime there is an influx of "exotic" immigrants to the US, Americans get all worked up and paranoid that they will "change" the culture, or over rule with their own beliefs. This isn't new at all. It happened to every ethnic group, with exception to English immigrants. Italian, Polish, Japanese, Mexican, etc. all experienced the xenophobia that Muslims are currently going through. This will pass too in time, inshaALlah.

In reality, most immigrants eventually lose their own culture and become totally Americanized. This happened to hundreds of thousands of Muslims, if not more. There were many Muslim immigrants at the end of the 19th century and early 20th century who came to places like Detroit to work in car factories and eventually became totally Americanized. The real danger is Americanization and westernization.

**FS123** · 10-13-2010

Well, it has to do with peace and prosperity. I see lot of people from the west moving to UAE for similar reasons: peaceful place, can practice their religion freely, good job/income opportunities, good educational system for children, and good health care system.

**Beardo** · 10-13-2010

The education system, the freedom...

In America, I feel a huge sense of freedom. I rarely, and i mean VERY rarely, meet those type of people who believe that Muslims and any other non-white ethnicity/group should just go "back home." Yet now, America is my home. I'm American, and I am grateful that my ancestry had migrated here because it provided me with better opportunity, I believe.

I don't believe it would have been possible to make something like Labbayk Academy or Jannah Network in Bangladesh, my home country. Not just because of the Internet connection, but life is different there. Here in America, a "Western" country, I am in that environment of opportunity and possibility.