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    is Allah fair ? Yes! (OP)


    ok the only reason i joined these forums is to ask a question
    regarding allah
    first of all .. this is post of mere question and not intend to insult anyone's belief
    the examples might be harsh .. but also are facts
    second as my profile says am muslim " kind of "
    i was muslim since birth but since few years a question poping in my head which
    i found no answer for anywhere
    this could be long but i'll try to make it as short as i can

    the simple question is .. is allah all fair and wisdom ?
    he certinally claim that ... and i certinally don't see this through life
    the way i see it
    i see poor ... i see rich
    i see weak ... i see strong
    i see healthy .. i see sick
    there's beauty .. and there's ugly
    there's happiness and there's sadness .. the list goes on forever
    where is the wisdom and fairness in that ?

    what sets the people from the first class above .. over the second class ?
    in what rights people must work for their whole life for simplest things
    that other got before they were born ?

    what makes the person with happy life more special to have a good life
    and what makes the person too ****ed to get bad life with poor resources ?
    the same thing could be applied for all above ...

    but on the outcome allah will judge eventally all of us for all i know with no regard
    for our situations in life .. and the path some are " forced " to take

    for example : a rich person allah have adviced honest marriage and to thank allah for his blessings on him
    but a poor person who wouldn't afford marriage ? what did allah advice ? to fast
    that's right .. by the way am an arab and i know what am talking about
    a person who can't afford marriage god adviced him to fast " doesn't make sense to me "
    but supposedly fasting reduce the lust
    however this is a mere example

    so god gave the rich the means to enjoy life .. while given the poor .. an extra duty replacing
    one of life's joy

    there's no wisdom in that ... if there's i certinaly don't see it

    moving on ..
    a person who lives hard life .. eiather is poor .. sick .. ect ect
    have harsh life which sometimes is forced to ask these kind of question
    which i view them as questions with no answer and will lead eventally to believe in god's existence .. but ain't worth of worship .. " the state i reached "

    this is not question i came up with yesterday or so
    this is the result of years in search for question that allah did not answer
    by all means am 22 now .. this question been with me since i was 16
    any one with suitable explaination please share .. it's most welcome AND needed
    now please before attempt to answer this .. read below
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    it's not that this the first time am asking such thing so i got answers which i consider
    flawed and non realistic or not rational here they are so i don't get the same answers i dismissed in the past

    answer 1 : the life is only one part of human existence
    there's the afterlife where god would give those who weren't given in life

    dismissed for : person with happy life and comfortable one is easier for him to thank god for his blessing and all
    but what about a person with hard life who the life had forced to question the order of things
    and to question allah's wisdom coz there's no answers enough
    that person might be forced to say : why the hell i should work hard to get what i want and always not enough .. while other people born with life of luxury
    and come up with the conclusion allah is not fair
    such questions are poisoned but once asked there's no turning back and the answers so far
    aren't convicing ... to point it simple
    it's eaiser to thank god by rich person with happy life
    than to have patience of person with bad life

    answer 2 : life can't go on if we're all rich or poor there must be people who have money to give other people's to do jobs these people don't do

    dismissed for : simply what makes the person with money better than the cleaners of the streets ? why are those who meant to clean .. and the others are meant to be rich to pay for it ?
    again .. no wisdom .. no explination

    answer 3 : allah gives who ever he wants

    dismissed for : being the most stupid answer ever coz it doesn't answer anything but further prove my theory of allah ain't fair .. which i hate to say but forced to

    answer 4 " my favorite " : allah got reason behind his acts which are reason a human beings with their limited thinking can't know them

    dismissed for : the reason it's my favorite answer coz it's the closest to be true .. but alas also flawed
    suppose allah really did has reason to do what he does .. a reason we cannot understand because
    we were created in a way which we weren't meant to understand allah's acts
    so when we see god's acts as wrong .. they got reason behind them
    but since we are human beings and can't see those reasons .. it's stupid to consider those reasons without knowing them .. because allah and islam encourage us to use our brain
    not to shove it in the dark and follow blindly
    and when we use our brain .. we come out with questions that got no answers

    answer 5 : world is a test

    dismissed for : the test vary from people to other .. some tests are eaiser and some tests are harder ... again there's no fairness in that those who fail at hard test are wronged compared to those who success at simple tests
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    so people .. any person with answers beside the above listed .. is very welcome
    as much as i doubt there's any .. but nothing gained nothing lost
    and thanks in advance

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    "the simple question is .. is allah all fair and wisdom?" you asked amongst other things that amount to insulting Allah subhana wa ta'ala.


    Did you cause the earth to grow the provisions you fill the pit of your belly with? How easily you insult my Allah by denying His attributes, His mercy on you,
    and you eat of His provisions without gratitude. You breathe His air without measure. If He had put a price on it, you might have been dead by now. You use the faculties He gave you to insult Him? How fair are you? You thank Brother Woodrow for sharing his life with you. But Allah gave you life, and countless blessings. Yet you are ungrateful and turn your back to Him, then question His fairness and wisdom!?

    So what if you work 12 hours a day. At least you can work. You're not paralysed at the mercy of carers, waiting to be fed, turned over, or unable to clean yourself after relieving yourself from the toxic waste in your body.Even the fact that you're able to do this is a blessing of Allah. If 12 hours a day worth of wages are not enough to cover your expenses, ask yourself why you are living a lifestyle beyond your means.

    My beloved Prophet, SAW, said, "I sit like a servant and eat like a servant." His needs were little. His gratitude endless. He said to the companions who expressed sorrow when they saw the marks on his back, caused by sleeping on reed mat, "What have I to do with this world? In relation to this world, I am like a rider who shades himself under a tree and then (continues on his way)." Al-Tirmidhi, Hadith 1351

    Abu Talha (may Allah be pleased with him) said, "When we complained to Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) of hunger and raised our clothes to show we were each carrying a stone over our belly, he raised his clothes and showed that he had two stones on his belly."

    If you exceed in acquiring what you can't afford, then you have no one to blame but yourself. But this isn't about that. I've seen people living in the harsh clutches of poverty, who are lucky if they get one meal a day, yet they say, "Shukr al hamdulillah we even get this. One day our Rabb will end our suffering. Our Rabb never does bad for anyone." Then how can you not be grateful to your Lord, for He has given you more than He has given those people? Why are the less privileged servants of Allah grateful, but not you? Because they have one thing you don't. One thing that can't be bought. That priceless thing they have is imaan. What happened to yours? Imaan lives in the heart doesn't it? What has happened to the state of your heart that imaan left? You don't need money to have imaan. If you don't possess a thing that doesn't cost anything to buy, then no amount of money in the world can make you rich. If only you recognised what real wealth is, what real blessings are, and had been grateful to Allah in all circumstances, Allah would have increased you in blessings in this life and the next. And what you lacked in this world, you would have been given unimaginable compensation in the life after. If only you had known, and believed that Allah is fair and His wisdom is faultless and beyond comprehension. If you had known that Allah doesn't judge you by your clothes, or degrees, your profession, or wealth, but by your piety, you would have realized that He is fair, but is it man who is not fair and judges you by superficial things. It is not too late. I pray Allah guides you.



    Hadith Qudsi 26:

    Truly of those devoted to Me the one I most favour is a believer who is of meagre means and much given to prayer, who has been particular in the worship of his Lord and has obeyed Him inwardly, who was obscure among people and not pointed our, and whose sustenance was just sufficient to provide for him yet he bore this patiently. Then the Prophet (pbuh) rapped his hand and said: Death will have come early to him, his mourners will have been few, his estate scant.
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    Firstly, you said you're an Arab; I fail to understand how you can be an Arab but fail to learn fus-ha Arabic to understand Qur'an and comprehend its true meaning through the richness, depth and preciseness of its language.

    Secondly, Allah is the Just and whatever He decrees is just and has wisdom behind it. Sometimes we can perceive and understand this wisdom while at other times we cannot.

    As for the rich and the poor, they may not be equal in some worldly aspects but they are evenly treated, even if one has more money than the other. Allah may give someone more and someone less, not to be unfair and unjust but to see how they would respond to Allah by it. Allah says in the Qur'an "...because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other..." [4:34].

    Wealth has never bought people lasting happiness, some of the worlds greats who were filthy rich killed themselves because they though they had reached the heights of success, the status that is thought to bring happiness through the possession of money, power, women and influence. But they could not find peace and contentment and took their lives as a consequence. How is it that all the nations of the world can look at the people who have accumulated riches, thinking that such people must be the happiest in the world yet their families are crumbling, their relationships are straining and marriage is breaking? If these rich people found ultimate happiness through money they would never turn to haram women, alcohol and drugs to find solace within themselves by being drowned in restlessness and distress.

    Money is not a route to happiness and never was. Money only brings momentary happiness, after your bills are paid and your needs are fulfilled, money has no further worth.

    To summarize this point, shaykh Muhammad Ameen ash-Shanqeeti said, "The pursuit of happiness and contentment is one that is independent of the pursuit of wealth. Wealth itself does not come with happiness and contentment. For indeed if that were true, then Qaroon [28:76-81] would have been the most successful of people in this regard. Yet Allah caused the earth to open up, swallowing both him and his possessions."

    Allah further says about the division of people, "O you men! surely We have created you of a male and a female, and made you tribes and families that you may know each other; surely the most honorable of you with Allah is the one among you most careful (of his duty); surely Allah is Knowing, Aware" [49:13]

    As for fasting, it is not an alternative to marriage because celibacy is not encouraged in Islam. It is sunnah to marry and indeed in some cases it is waajib. The intended outcome of fasting is not to free a person of sexual desires but it is to control them and keep them in check through the Taqwaa of Allah. O ye who believe! Fasting is prescribed to you as it was prescribed to those before you, that ye may (learn) self-restraint, [2:183]. In this verse it says self restraint but the Arabic says taqwa and taqwa is a comprehensive term that encompasses all of Islam.

    If one cannot marry because he cannot afford it than Allah should not be blamed, the parents who make marriage difficult due to unreasonably high dowry should be blamed. Even if one marries and he is poor, Allah promises to provide for him to sustain him. And do not kill your children for fear of poverty; We give them sustenance and yourselves (too); surely to kill them is a great wrong. [17:31]

    Everyone is tested in this life whether rich or poor, and true prosperity is not achieved through money but through taqwa, patience and steadfastness in Islam.

    The trials of life have nothing to do with fairness, they are to do with justice. Men and women are not equal and we are not given equal responsibilities, rather we are given even responsibilities. The rich and the poor are not even in terms of their spending power but are even in terms of how they will be dealt with, reward and punishment etc.
    Last edited by 'Abd-al Latif; 01-27-2011 at 11:06 AM.
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    ok guys the agency i have been working through has decided to no longer use me.. this is not funny anymore lol

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    format_quote Originally Posted by Sorrow Embrace View Post

    suppose allah really did has reason to do what he does .. a reason we cannot understand because
    we were created in a way which we weren't meant to understand allah's acts
    so when we see god's acts as wrong .. they got reason behind them
    but since we are human beings and can't see those reasons .. it's stupid to consider those reasons without knowing them .. because allah and islam encourage us to use our brain
    not to shove it in the dark and follow blindly
    and when we use our brain .. we come out with questions that got no answers
    The answers are clear and easily understandable.

    Suppose you are a father with your wife and children and a neighbour brings an insulting accusation. The neighbour declares that you are a bad father for your family and your family hates you. The neighbour even goes so far as to say that your family only stay with you out of selfishness because of the good things that they receive. If they suffered hardship and if they were given the opportunity, he accuses, they would abandon you and leave.

    How would you respond to such slanderous accusations? You might react in anger and rage and drive the man away. But would that prove to onlookers that you were right? It might actually seem to suggest that you were in the wrong and could not defend your case. How much better it would be if the members of your family themselves spoke up and declared their love for you and even proved it by sticking with you through hard times.

    This would vindicate you from the accusations of your slanderous neighbour and prove him to be a liar.

    Well, this is the situation that we are faced with now. God is like the accused father in that family. And Satan is the accuser. And we are like the children who can prove by our actions the loyalty and love that we have for our creator even when faced with hardship. God knows the makeup of each one of us and will not allow us to be tempted or tested beyond what we can bear. We can make God rejoice by proving our love for him and by proving Satan to be a liar.
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    re: is Allah fair ? Yes!

    format_quote Originally Posted by Sorrow Embrace View Post
    i know all facts of islam ... thing you might never heard of considering my main language is arabic
    Even the scholars don't claim to know all the facts of Islam...

    format_quote Originally Posted by Sorrow Embrace View Post
    it's " ان الله لا يحمل نفسا الا وسعها "
    if i recall it right
    Unfortunately not recalled correctly. It's best for us not to paraphrase the Qur'an if we are not sure.

    This is what the Qur'an actually says:

    لاَ يُكَلِّفُ اللَّهُ نَفْسًا إِلاَّ وُسْعَهَا

    It is from the last ayah of Surah al-Baqarah, the last two ayaat of which we recite at night before sleeping, as part of our basic daily supplications.

    May Allah guide you and us all. Ameen.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Sorrow Embrace View Post
    ok the only reason i joined these forums is to ask a question
    regarding allah
    first of all .. this is post of mere question and not intend to insult anyone's belief
    the examples might be harsh .. but also are facts
    second as my profile says am muslim " kind of "
    i was muslim since birth but since few years a question poping in my head which
    i found no answer for anywhere
    this could be long but i'll try to make it as short as i can

    the simple question is .. is allah all fair and wisdom ?
    he certinally claim that ... and i certinally don't see this through life
    the way i see it
    i see poor ... i see rich
    i see weak ... i see strong
    i see healthy .. i see sick
    there's beauty .. and there's ugly
    there's happiness and there's sadness .. the list goes on forever
    where is the wisdom and fairness in that ?

    what sets the people from the first class above .. over the second class ?
    in what rights people must work for their whole life for simplest things
    that other got before they were born ?

    what makes the person with happy life more special to have a good life
    and what makes the person too ****ed to get bad life with poor resources ?
    the same thing could be applied for all above ...

    but on the outcome allah will judge eventally all of us for all i know with no regard
    for our situations in life .. and the path some are " forced " to take

    for example : a rich person allah have adviced honest marriage and to thank allah for his blessings on him
    but a poor person who wouldn't afford marriage ? what did allah advice ? to fast
    that's right .. by the way am an arab and i know what am talking about
    a person who can't afford marriage god adviced him to fast " doesn't make sense to me "
    but supposedly fasting reduce the lust
    however this is a mere example

    so god gave the rich the means to enjoy life .. while given the poor .. an extra duty replacing
    one of life's joy

    there's no wisdom in that ... if there's i certinaly don't see it

    moving on ..
    a person who lives hard life .. eiather is poor .. sick .. ect ect
    have harsh life which sometimes is forced to ask these kind of question
    which i view them as questions with no answer and will lead eventally to believe in god's existence .. but ain't worth of worship .. " the state i reached "

    this is not question i came up with yesterday or so
    this is the result of years in search for question that allah did not answer
    by all means am 22 now .. this question been with me since i was 16
    any one with suitable explaination please share .. it's most welcome AND needed
    now please before attempt to answer this .. read below
    ------------------------------------------------------
    it's not that this the first time am asking such thing so i got answers which i consider
    flawed and non realistic or not rational here they are so i don't get the same answers i dismissed in the past

    answer 1 : the life is only one part of human existence
    there's the afterlife where god would give those who weren't given in life

    dismissed for : person with happy life and comfortable one is easier for him to thank god for his blessing and all
    but what about a person with hard life who the life had forced to question the order of things
    and to question allah's wisdom coz there's no answers enough
    that person might be forced to say : why the hell i should work hard to get what i want and always not enough .. while other people born with life of luxury
    and come up with the conclusion allah is not fair
    such questions are poisoned but once asked there's no turning back and the answers so far
    aren't convicing ... to point it simple
    it's eaiser to thank god by rich person with happy life
    than to have patience of person with bad life

    answer 2 : life can't go on if we're all rich or poor there must be people who have money to give other people's to do jobs these people don't do

    dismissed for : simply what makes the person with money better than the cleaners of the streets ? why are those who meant to clean .. and the others are meant to be rich to pay for it ?
    again .. no wisdom .. no explination

    answer 3 : allah gives who ever he wants

    dismissed for : being the most stupid answer ever coz it doesn't answer anything but further prove my theory of allah ain't fair .. which i hate to say but forced to

    answer 4 " my favorite " : allah got reason behind his acts which are reason a human beings with their limited thinking can't know them

    dismissed for : the reason it's my favorite answer coz it's the closest to be true .. but alas also flawed
    suppose allah really did has reason to do what he does .. a reason we cannot understand because
    we were created in a way which we weren't meant to understand allah's acts
    so when we see god's acts as wrong .. they got reason behind them
    but since we are human beings and can't see those reasons .. it's stupid to consider those reasons without knowing them .. because allah and islam encourage us to use our brain
    not to shove it in the dark and follow blindly
    and when we use our brain .. we come out with questions that got no answers

    answer 5 : world is a test

    dismissed for : the test vary from people to other .. some tests are eaiser and some tests are harder ... again there's no fairness in that those who fail at hard test are wronged compared to those who success at simple tests
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    so people .. any person with answers beside the above listed .. is very welcome
    as much as i doubt there's any .. but nothing gained nothing lost
    and thanks in advance
    Asalaamu Alaikum, Brother firstly you or i are not in a position to judge the life of others. Be they poor, rich, handsome or ugly. We do not know what they go through on a daily basis. It maybe that a rich man although may look happy to you on the outiside but we know nothing about what turmoil or anguish he is going through in his life. You may look at a poor man but is may be completly content and happy with his life even more than the rich man.

    Why are suicide rates in the west so much higher than anywhere else in the world? Even though the west has all of the riches in the world. Simply because people are not happy or content with their lives even though they may have wealth. Just a couple of months ago in the UK in London this millionnaire committed suicide. His family was asked his story and his mother said that he lived a normal life until he won a lot of money on th lottery. After that he bought himself a huge house and lived in it partying all of the time with his friends and he lived a life of indulgence. She mentioned sadly that out of the blue he just took his own life. When it was asked of her why her son did such a thing she said that if he did'nt win the lottery then he would still be alive today. When he won the lottery he bought whatever he wanted and he lived the high life but he was never happy. He died in a huge house all alone out of misery.

    I also remember watching a documentary of a celebrity property developer who went to the slums of Bombay. He was astounded when he went there and what he had experienced. He said in a place of such poverty you would have thought that you would see people who would be miserable and depressed but they are so happy. He kept saying why are they so happy? He just could'nt understand why they were so much happier than people in the west. In the end he accepted that although these people may be the poorest people on earth but they were content and happy because they had family and friends around them and they had just about enough to survive and that was enough for them. That changed his whole perception of life because it taught him that money does not by happiness but happiness and contentment comes from other things like family, religion, feeling a sense of belonging etc.

    Therefore you should never "judge" another and say just because he is rich he is happy or he is poor he is unhappy because you could not be more wrong. You do not know anything about a persons life and what they are going through and what they have experienced etc. We cannot look at another person and say they are happy even though we may always see them smile because what a person is truly going through we would never know. What is hidden inside is not necessery going to be reflected in the exterior of a person.


    So accept the fact that you cannot judge who is happy or unhappy for that is something we are not aware of. We can only judge our own lives. Wealth and riches although they may bring some ease in a persons life certainly do not bring about satsifaction, contentment and happiness for it may be that a poor man has a much richer and fulfilling life than a rich man who although has all the riches in the world may live an empty existence.

    So we are clear now that you can only judge your own life not the life of others. You also judged how some people are given easy or hard tests but again how can you truly know what kind of tests a person goes through throughout their lives?

    A person does not just go through one or two tests in their lifetime but one goes through many tests all throughout ones life. A person may have a simple test one day and somewhere down the line get hit by a very hard test.

    We all go through a varying degree of tests in our life. It doesn't mean that we are given one or two simple or hard tests. You or i will never know what kind of tests a person will go through in our lives. People do not always advertise their tests. If we were to know the kind of tests people are going through i promise we would all be shocked and think how would we ever have guessed that person is going through whay they are going through.

    So my brother do not judge the life of others by what you see on the exteriour or what you hear about from others as you and i do not know how happy or sad they are throughout their lives and you and i do not know what kind of tests they will go through throughout their lives. You will only ever truly know about a fraction of a persons life and what they have been through as whatever is in the heart is hidden from us so again do not judge the life of others.

    What you see on the outside is notnecesserily what is reflected on what a person is feeling on the inside. Wealth does not bring happiness nor does beauty or health. A person who is poor, ugly or ill maybe much happier and content in their life than a person who is rich, A ugly person may have more contentment, happiness and peace in their heart than a person who is beautiful. An ill person may feel more contentment and happiness than a person who has health.

    It maybe that a wealthy person loses their wealth. Or a healthy person loses their health. Or a beautiful person loses their beauty. We do not know what we have until its gone. None of these things cause lifelong happiness and so you or i cannot judge happiness or sadness in ones life based on these things.

    You need to ask yourself what is the purpose of my life? Is it to live, work, marry have kids and die? No of course not and if you are Muslim then you would know that is not the answer. We are only created for one purpose and that is to worship Allah. Along our journey in life we will be tested. So in effect we are in a test ground. So obviously on a test ground we are going to be tested. Maybe right now you are being tested more than me. But maybe tomorrow or next week a bigger test may come to me and your test maybe eased. Life is full of varying degree of tests.

    If you have an important exam then will you pass if you don't revise? The simple fact is that if you don't work hard and make the effort then you will fail. Therefore you will have to work very hard to pass your exams. Sameway we are in an examination but the only difference is it can end at any second as we are not aware when our exam will come to an end. So just like an examination there will be easier and harder tests. So if we want to pass we need to put the effort in and that applies to anything in life. You have to work hard to get what you want. Sameway if you want Paradise then you have to work for it.

    But let me ask you something. our life is on average 70 years. Lets say your 30. You have on average 40 years left in this life. Now if you devote 40 years of your life to Allah then you will gain eternity of bliss in return. Is that fair?

    40 years worship= Eternity in Paradise

    That is very unfair. Why should we be given eternity of bliss in Paradise for only 40 to 50 years of devotion? That doesn't seem fair to me that we should be given so much for such little devotion. That is being too generous but Allah is the most generous. For just 40 - 50 years of suffering and patience he will give eternity of bliss in Paradise. That is like a few seconds compared to eternity.

    Now if a person suffered more and was patient relying on Allah, invested more into the hereafter as in worshipping and pleased Allah and another person just did minimal as in prayed, fasted and kept away from major sin etc then is it fair that they both go to the same Paradise? Of course not and that is because there are many different levels of Paradise depending on how much one put into the hereafter and pleasing Allah. The more suffering one endures with patience and the more one invests into the hereafter the higher the rank of that person will be in Paradise. The difference between one Paradise to another is like this earth and when you look up at the night sky and the star that you see far far away.

    So everyone will get what they are entitled to according to their situation and what they went through in life . That is something we cannot know or judge. Only Allah has that knolwedge for he is the best of all judges and Ais most just and true justice will ONLY happen in the next world.

    Therefore we are getting SO much more in return for our short life in this world yet we still complain? In the hereafter the currency will be good deeds not money or gold. Once we see our deeds we will wish we went through so much more suffering and endured it for the pleasure of Allah just so that we can gain more good deeds.

    So the Reward of going through difficult trials and hardships is so much more than the suffering that oen would have gone through!

    Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah Allah's Messenger (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) said, "On the Day of Resurrection, when people who have suffered affliction are given their reward, those who are healthy will wish their skins had been cut to pieces with scissors when they were in the world." (Al-Tirmidhi #1570)

    We will wish we had invested so much more just so that could have had more good deeds. We will wish we were taken back to the earth so that we can live this life again just so that we can live a life pleasing Allah and doing good deeds but we will not be able to as this is our ONLY chance. We must NOT waste this one chance we have.

    Shaythan is always trying to deter us from the right path and one of the ways he tries this is by telling us how unfair Allah is when in reality what we will get in return for our devotion and patience is WAY TOO MUCH than we deserve. It is a bit like your manager giving you a million pounds a day for the current job you are doing. The simple fact is will get MUCH more than we can ever comprehend for the little good we would have done in this world.

    If we think deeply about the favours Allah has done for us for will never be able to comprehend his favours because they are too numerous. What is required of us is so little in return for what we will get inshallah. So let us realise that Allah has given us too too much for us to ever even think of thinking of him as being unfair. He created us so knows what is best for us.

    And Allah knows best in all matters
    is Allah fair ? Yes!

    How to get through Hardships & trials in life:

    https://www.islamicboard.com/advice-...mp-trials.html

    How to overcome Waswas (insinuating whispers of shaythan) in Worship:

    https://www.islamicboard.com/advice-...d-worship.html

    10 Steps to Increasing Imaan & getting closer to Allah:

    https://www.islamicboard.com/manners...d-version.html

    https://www.islamicboard.com/manners...ser-allah.html
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    format_quote Originally Posted by YusufNoor View Post



    this life is an illusion of sorts. we can't see Allah, NOR can we see His WISDOM OR His Qadr in advance.

    UNTIL the race is done, Yawmul Qiyama, we simply don't have the facts or the tools to decide.

    HOWEVER, we believe Allah. He tells us that He is Ar Rahman Ar Raheem. IF you don't believe that, you DON'T believe Him.

    AFTER Yawmul Qiyama, i reckon some in the hellfire will feel they have been mistreated.

    EVERYONE in Jannah will be there by Allah's Mercy. IF any of them feel it unfair, i'll doubt they will be offering to trade places with someone in the Hellfire.

    SADLY, i reckon there will be alot more "Muslims" in the hellfire than expected to be there.

    THAT SAID, May Allah grant us Goodness in the life, Goodness in the Hereafter and May He protect us from the Hellfire!

    that's the problem man ... we have to submit for unknown reason .. not logical explaination
    we cannot fathoms allah's knowledge ? yet we have to just accept it as it is without questions
    i do not agree to this .. questions must be answered in order to reach true belief
    other wise belief is based on spiritual feelings not logic sense
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow View Post
    But there is a trade off. Yes I do get to enjoy many things, but with them comes a great and painful price. I do have the wide open prairie suroounding me but it also means I am very far from any city and in the event of a medical emergency there is no medical help. Yes I do live on the Beautiful prairie, but there is nothing to block the bitter winds and the temperature can and often does drop to 60 degrees below zero in a very short time sometimes in just a matter of a minute. Yes, I do experience much joy, but I pay a very high price for it, so all is fair. I live here by choice and enjoy the gains but also need to accept the hardships and dangers that come with it. so far this winter I had some great personal loses not the least of which was having 3 of my favorite horses freeze to death. that caused much sorrow, but in spite of the sorrow and pain I did have the joy of enjoying their company even though it was temporary. It is/was all fair.
    you make it sound like bad things can only happen to rich people
    the things you mentioned those bad things would happen to poor people as well
    suffering befalls on rich and poor alike ... only rich have the means to deal with it easily
    and the poor suffers and start questioning the nature order of things and the fairness of it
    it's not fair trade
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Eric H View Post
    Greetings and peace be with you Sorrow Embrace;

    I asked for Strength.........
    And Allah gave me Difficulties to make me strong.
    I asked for Wisdom.........
    And Allah gave me Problems to solve.
    I asked for Prosperity.........
    And Allah gave me Brain and Brawn to work.
    I asked for Courage.........
    And Allah gave me Danger to overcome.
    I asked for Love.........
    And Allah gave me Troubled people to help.
    I asked for Favours.........
    And Allah gave me Opportunities.

    I received nothing I wanted
    I received everything I needed
    My Prayer has been answered.

    Pray for Others to Heal Yourself.
    The Prophet was always concerned about other people, Muslims and non-Muslims, and would regularly pray for them. Praying for others connects you with them and helps you understand their suffering. This in itself has a healing component to it. The Prophet has said that praying for someone who is not present increases love.

    In the spirit of searching for a just and merciful God who answers our prayers.

    Eric
    i can see this question can be applied for all religions does it ?
    no matter christian or muslim
    why would a person try search for other people suffering when you got already more than you can handle ?
    i believe a merciful god wouldn't let some things go the way they are right now
    merciful god would give each people an equal chance at life
    but unforunatly i can see chances vary and some people chances are very small while other people's chances are big
    this only could lead to the believe that god ain't fair
    or he is but we don't know it somehow
    eiather way when you don't know the reason behind anyone's wrongdoing
    you are bound to condemn it untill you know the reason .. the wrong remain wrong
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    format_quote Originally Posted by mad_scientist View Post
    I am sorry to say but now your posts have become less philosophical and more of emotional rants. Are you really 22 years old, I mean no offense.

    Life is like that. Should not you feel grateful that despite all the odds, the sperm and the egg you are made of survived the grueling journey in the loins of your father and ovaries of your mother? If the sperm you are made of was able to survive the acidic and haunting microenvironment of a woman's uterus, I am sure you can survive through life and all of its challenges.
    what if you were told there's new prophet and new religion
    and you didn't agree to this
    would it justify me mocking you and say how old are you ? 10 ? why don't you believe this ?
    but you were right to refuse that religion as false due to the lack of evidences on that
    just because you don't have the answer to this question doesn't mean the question is silly or am thinking like
    10 years old kid

    and of course it's emotional provoked question .. but none the less logical ...
    and the answers provided are spiritual ones not logical and realistic
    life is tough .. yes but some people don't have it the hard way and other even have it the easy way
    those who get it the hard way and gives up .. does that make them kofar ? for simply questioning
    why we have to be like this in this rough situation while other people are not
    seems very logic reaction to me
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    re: is Allah fair ? Yes!

    format_quote Originally Posted by selsebil View Post
    Assalaam Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh,

    Dear Brother;

    1.This world is a field of trial and examination and is not the place of getting rewards.Allah SWT is testing us in order to develop our abilities and in order to show endless degrees of His names (asma).Every one has a different type of test depending on different abilities.

    2. There is a Hadith the meaning of which is, “Those afflicted with the severest trials are the prophets, then the saints and those like them.” That is, “Those most afflicted with tribulations and difficulties are the best of men, the most perfect.” For example the Prophet Ayyub AS and the other prophets, then the saints, then the righteous, have regarded the illnesses they have suffered as sincere worship, as gifts of the Most Merciful; they have offered thanks in patience. They have seen them as surgical operations performed by the All-Compassionate Creator’s mercy.

    3. Just as the penalties of those perpetrating small crimes are delivered locally, and serious crimes are sent to the high courts, so too, according to the rules, the small errors of believers and close friends are punished swiftly and in part in this world, in order to quickly purify them. But the crimes of the people of misguidance are so great that since their punishments cannot be contained in this brief worldly life, as required by justice they are referred to the Supreme Tribunal in the eternal realm, and mostly do not receive any punishment here.
    The Hadith “This world is the prison of the believers and the Paradise of the unbelievers” also alludes to this truth. That is to say, because the believer receives partial punishment for his faults in this world, it is a place of punishment for him. In relation to his happiness in the Hereafter, this world is a dungeon and Hell. And since the unbelievers will not be released from Hell and they in part receive the rewards for their good works in this world and their large sins are postponed, this world is their Paradise in relation to their life in the Hereafter. For in reality and in meaning the believer is far happier in this world also than the unbeliever. A believer’s faith is quite simply like a Paradise in his spirit; while the unbelief of the unbeliever sets afire a sort of Hell in his being.

    4. Allah Almighty, in order to display His infinite power and unlimited mercy, has made inherent in man infinite impotence and unlimited want. Further, in order to display the endless embroideries of His Names, He has created man like a machine capable of receiving unlimited varieties of pain, as well as infinite varieties of pleasure. Within that human machine are hundreds of instruments, each of which has different pains and pleasures, different duties and rewards. Simply, all of the Divine Names manifested in the macroanthropos that is the world also have manifestations in the microcosm that is man. Beneficial matters like good health, well-being, and pleasures cause man to offer thanks and prompt the human machine to perform its functions in many respects, and thus man becomes like a factory producing thanks.

    Similarly, by means of misfortune, illness and pain, and other motion-inducing contingencies, the other cogs of the human machine are set in motion and revolution. The mine of weakness, impotence, and poverty inherent in human nature is made to work. It induces in man a state whereby he seeks refuge and help not only with a single tongue, but with the tongue of each of his members. Thus by means of those contingencies man becomes like a moving pen comprising thousands of different pens. He inscribes the appointed course of his existence on the page of his life or the Tablet in the World of Similitudes; he puts forth a declaration of the Divine Names; and becomes himself an ode to the glory of Allah, thus fulfilling the duties of his nature.
    thanks for your answer and the time taken to write it down
    but i find my self at the same question again
    you mention life is the prison of believers and the paradise of non-believers
    now what if that believer had much pain and distress in this prison and became unbeliever
    questions are bound to be asked in such state and with the absense of clear answers
    a person can drift away from what he once believed

    to judge people fairly in some test .. you need to give them equal chances to prove them self
    but you find allah in life given people previlage over others .. so they can have more chance of successs
    while other people aren't giving anything but instead taking from them any kind of previlage
    you think those people are treated fairly ? can you blame them if they stopped believing in allah's good nature ?
    for simply dealing with facts and refusing to take things for granted ?
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Bedouin View Post
    If this was true, then Abu Lahab would have been a Muslim and would have thanked Allah. Firown would have converted and been appreciative of Allah's blessings upon him. Qaroon would have been thankful. Yet none of these people were despite all that Allah gave them.

    Arrogance got the better of them. This disease of khibr is very easy for the wealthy and people who are in good position to catch.

    I'm sure you know the punishment for khibr. Allah has said he won't admit into paradise the person who has even an atom's worth of it.

    The poor people, by contrast, will be admitted into heaven 500 years before all else.

    It's not flawed. The problem is you are not thinking this matter through to it's fullest extent.

    Let me give you a simple example.

    Imagine there is a person who lives a very poor life. Allah makes his life very difficult for him. He initally rebels against Allah because he thinks Allah has been unfair to him but later on Allah opens the eyes of his heart to receive guidance and he turns to Allah in repentance. Then this poor person is blessed with a lot of money and because of what he experienced in his life as a poor person, he feels sorry for other poor people and gives a lot of charity and helps others as much as possible. Now a number of good has happened because of this. One is that poor people will be fed and taken care of by a stranger and another is that this person will gain a lot of reward. If the person was rich all his life, he would never have known what it means to struggle and would have had less sympathy for the poor and as a result would give less charity/earn less reward.

    Another example. Imagine a little boy in school gets his head hit whilst playing and has to go to hospital. The parents will be very worried initially and may be thinking how unfair it is for their son to experience such a trauma. However, imagine that it turns out the boy has a tumour which the hospital checks pick up during the check up due to the injury. The doctors are able to then cure this child from the cancer as well as help with the injury. If the boy hadn't been hurt in the first place, the tumour would not have been found. So the initial bitter feeling of being hurt whilst playing was necessary to prevent a bigger pain of cancer later on. So this is divine wisdom in action. There are MILLIONS of examples we can think of along this line.
    Yes, tests are harder for some people. Allah has told us he tests more severely those who are beloved to him.

    Hardships wipe away our sins! Even having a thorn prick our fingers to make us bleed takes sins away from us. Think LONG TERM. Allah is blessing such people by giving constant hardship to them so that they meet Allah on the day of judgement with less sins.

    If the above is not enough to convince you, just reflect on Prophet Muhammad Sallalahu Alaihe Wasalam! His life was full of troubles and was harrassed by people. He WILLINGLY lived as a poor individual. THINK!

    At the end of the day, it's your own incorrect approach to Allah mixed with shaytanic whispers which are keeping you away from the true guidance.

    Honestly bro, take it from someone who used to think like you, just always have a good opinion of Allah.

    Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said, "Strange is the affair of the Mu'min (the believer), verily all his affairs are good for him. If something pleasing befalls him he thanks (Allah) and it becomes better for him. And if something harmful befalls him he is patient (Saabir) and it becomes better for him. And this is only for the Mu'mmin." [Muslim]

    So a true believer with strong iman is always at the same level in connection with Allah despite what external things are going on in his life, good or bad!

    The most important thing you need to understand is that this life is temporary. To give you an idea, it only equals a day or part of a day of our real life in the hereafter. So we should realise that all the material happiness (due to health, wealth, family etc) we achieve in this world is only for the sake of this world and will not last forever.

    Another thing - there ARE poor people and disadvantaged people in this world who have absolutely nothing BUT they are able to thank Allah and ARE good muslims.

    The question is, if they CAN do it, why can't others?

    It all boils down to waswas in the end. These are the whispers of shaytan. We are born as slaves to Allah and it is our duty to submit to what Allah has got planned for us.

    Brother, I say this to you sincerely, simply submit to Allah and accept what he has given you and move on from there. Don't have this mindset of being a 'victim'.

    Allah has said, he is as we think of him. So if we always have this thought of Allah as being unfair then I swear, this is what will always be happening to us. Allah will misguide us because of our negative pessimistic and INSULTING approach to Allah.

    By contrast, if we were thinking of Allah in the most positive light always, he will be by our side. We are told that if we go walking to him, he comes running to us.

    Adopt patience, seek refuge in Allah, remind yourself that this world is a test and make plenty of dua. Do this consistently. You may not become rich overnight but Allah will inspire your heart into being happy with what he has planned for you inshaAllah and you will be a proper mu'min, as described in the hadith.
    first abu lahab lost coz of his own actions
    it only proves that allah gives those who don't deserve it
    imagin if those rich people were good people instead of the current ones who don't give **** about the poor
    there will be no suffering no beggars no homeless ... but allah instead gave his blessings to those who don't
    deserve it gave them way more than they need ... and taken from others what they actually need

    i believe you are right at one point that i should ask allah ... abit nicer
    coz due to the nature of this question it comes out with rage
    not that i think it's not excused rage though
    there's question plain and simple no one would have learned without asking question
    blunt or polite
    but i still believe allah did not offer the proper answer for this . yet
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    format_quote Originally Posted by AmaturRahman View Post
    "the simple question is .. is allah all fair and wisdom?" you asked amongst other things that amount to insulting Allah subhana wa ta'ala.


    Did you cause the earth to grow the provisions you fill the pit of your belly with? How easily you insult my Allah by denying His attributes, His mercy on you,
    and you eat of His provisions without gratitude. You breathe His air without measure. If He had put a price on it, you might have been dead by now. You use the faculties He gave you to insult Him? How fair are you? You thank Brother Woodrow for sharing his life with you. But Allah gave you life, and countless blessings. Yet you are ungrateful and turn your back to Him, then question His fairness and wisdom!?

    So what if you work 12 hours a day. At least you can work. You're not paralysed at the mercy of carers, waiting to be fed, turned over, or unable to clean yourself after relieving yourself from the toxic waste in your body.Even the fact that you're able to do this is a blessing of Allah. If 12 hours a day worth of wages are not enough to cover your expenses, ask yourself why you are living a lifestyle beyond your means.

    My beloved Prophet, SAW, said, "I sit like a servant and eat like a servant." His needs were little. His gratitude endless. He said to the companions who expressed sorrow when they saw the marks on his back, caused by sleeping on reed mat, "What have I to do with this world? In relation to this world, I am like a rider who shades himself under a tree and then (continues on his way)." Al-Tirmidhi, Hadith 1351

    Abu Talha (may Allah be pleased with him) said, "When we complained to Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) of hunger and raised our clothes to show we were each carrying a stone over our belly, he raised his clothes and showed that he had two stones on his belly."

    If you exceed in acquiring what you can't afford, then you have no one to blame but yourself. But this isn't about that. I've seen people living in the harsh clutches of poverty, who are lucky if they get one meal a day, yet they say, "Shukr al hamdulillah we even get this. One day our Rabb will end our suffering. Our Rabb never does bad for anyone." Then how can you not be grateful to your Lord, for He has given you more than He has given those people? Why are the less privileged servants of Allah grateful, but not you? Because they have one thing you don't. One thing that can't be bought. That priceless thing they have is imaan. What happened to yours? Imaan lives in the heart doesn't it? What has happened to the state of your heart that imaan left? You don't need money to have imaan. If you don't possess a thing that doesn't cost anything to buy, then no amount of money in the world can make you rich. If only you recognised what real wealth is, what real blessings are, and had been grateful to Allah in all circumstances, Allah would have increased you in blessings in this life and the next. And what you lacked in this world, you would have been given unimaginable compensation in the life after. If only you had known, and believed that Allah is fair and His wisdom is faultless and beyond comprehension. If you had known that Allah doesn't judge you by your clothes, or degrees, your profession, or wealth, but by your piety, you would have realized that He is fair, but is it man who is not fair and judges you by superficial things. It is not too late. I pray Allah guides you.



    Hadith Qudsi 26:

    Truly of those devoted to Me the one I most favour is a believer who is of meagre means and much given to prayer, who has been particular in the worship of his Lord and has obeyed Him inwardly, who was obscure among people and not pointed our, and whose sustenance was just sufficient to provide for him yet he bore this patiently. Then the Prophet (pbuh) rapped his hand and said: Death will have come early to him, his mourners will have been few, his estate scant.
    i do not like the way of this sound .. by that i mean the way you trying to make it sound like am ungrateful
    for anything yet taking things he gave me and using them and yet am ungrateful
    you see god created me ... now if he don't approve to me breathing from " his " air he shouldn't have created me at the first place
    i worked hard for the little i have NOT ALLAH GAVE IT TO ME
    I simply earn what i have not given easily by allah like some people
    i am ungrateful .. for my body is the only thing allah ever gave me .. beside unanswered questions
    now you might say well he gave you healthy body and some people don't have that
    only proves my point that those people aren't treated fairly .. it's not only about me .. it's general question

    and again am not a prophet .. am simple human with needs and hunger for answer that " allah " planted at the first place ... if allah don't want us to be curious and ask question why did he make us curious in nature ?
    and demanding on answers

    there's no iman without understanding .. and no understanding without answers
    we may judge so shallow as humanbeings and with the knowledge lend to us by allah
    but that means we shouldn't judge at all ?
    would you let criminal go for murder if you commited for reason
    you do not know ? of course not .. you need to know the reason first before considering
    all and all .. thanks for your reply
    i thank people as attempt to be polite for the time they spared to answer and argue
    insult to allah or not ... we can never learn if we always thought things your way ..
    that's insult to allah. . that's not right to ask .. that's blasphmy ect ect ect
    we end up taking things for granted without actual understanding
    yes i ask questions am not ashamed of it and never will be
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    format_quote Originally Posted by 'Abd-al Latif View Post


    Firstly, you said you're an Arab; I fail to understand how you can be an Arab but fail to learn fus-ha Arabic to understand Qur'an and comprehend its true meaning through the richness, depth and preciseness of its language.

    Secondly, Allah is the Just and whatever He decrees is just and has wisdom behind it. Sometimes we can perceive and understand this wisdom while at other times we cannot.

    As for the rich and the poor, they may not be equal in some worldly aspects but they are evenly treated, even if one has more money than the other. Allah may give someone more and someone less, not to be unfair and unjust but to see how they would respond to Allah by it. Allah says in the Qur'an "...because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other..." [4:34].

    Wealth has never bought people lasting happiness, some of the worlds greats who were filthy rich killed themselves because they though they had reached the heights of success, the status that is thought to bring happiness through the possession of money, power, women and influence. But they could not find peace and contentment and took their lives as a consequence. How is it that all the nations of the world can look at the people who have accumulated riches, thinking that such people must be the happiest in the world yet their families are crumbling, their relationships are straining and marriage is breaking? If these rich people found ultimate happiness through money they would never turn to haram women, alcohol and drugs to find solace within themselves by being drowned in restlessness and distress.

    Money is not a route to happiness and never was. Money only brings momentary happiness, after your bills are paid and your needs are fulfilled, money has no further worth.

    To summarize this point, shaykh Muhammad Ameen ash-Shanqeeti said, "The pursuit of happiness and contentment is one that is independent of the pursuit of wealth. Wealth itself does not come with happiness and contentment. For indeed if that were true, then Qaroon [28:76-81] would have been the most successful of people in this regard. Yet Allah caused the earth to open up, swallowing both him and his possessions."

    Allah further says about the division of people, "O you men! surely We have created you of a male and a female, and made you tribes and families that you may know each other; surely the most honorable of you with Allah is the one among you most careful (of his duty); surely Allah is Knowing, Aware" [49:13]

    As for fasting, it is not an alternative to marriage because celibacy is not encouraged in Islam. It is sunnah to marry and indeed in some cases it is waajib. The intended outcome of fasting is not to free a person of sexual desires but it is to control them and keep them in check through the Taqwaa of Allah. O ye who believe! Fasting is prescribed to you as it was prescribed to those before you, that ye may (learn) self-restraint, [2:183]. In this verse it says self restraint but the Arabic says taqwa and taqwa is a comprehensive term that encompasses all of Islam.

    If one cannot marry because he cannot afford it than Allah should not be blamed, the parents who make marriage difficult due to unreasonably high dowry should be blamed. Even if one marries and he is poor, Allah promises to provide for him to sustain him. And do not kill your children for fear of poverty; We give them sustenance and yourselves (too); surely to kill them is a great wrong. [17:31]

    Everyone is tested in this life whether rich or poor, and true prosperity is not achieved through money but through taqwa, patience and steadfastness in Islam.

    The trials of life have nothing to do with fairness, they are to do with justice. Men and women are not equal and we are not given equal responsibilities, rather we are given even responsibilities. The rich and the poor are not even in terms of their spending power but are even in terms of how they will be dealt with, reward and punishment etc.
    thanks for your long answer
    you mentioned rich people turning to haram women and stuff like this
    what about poor people turning to that due to the lack financly to get married ?
    allah after all " Created " us with lust right ?
    and people who aren't able to marry should fight this lust " ALONG " with all the stuff they fight through
    every day to make simple living ?
    is that sound fair ? while others have the means to marry easily and turn blind eye to haram
    it does not sound fair to me if it is to you

    the rich who does wrong their mistakes are only blamed on them
    they did not know how to spend their money in good way
    it's not the right explaintion rather a pathway to another answer which is
    why god gives those who don't deserve it

    it just seem not right to me
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Insaanah View Post

    Even the scholars don't claim to know all the facts of Islam...



    Unfortunately not recalled correctly. It's best for us not to paraphrase the Qur'an if we are not sure.

    This is what the Qur'an actually says:

    لاَ يُكَلِّفُ اللَّهُ نَفْسًا إِلاَّ وُسْعَهَا

    It is from the last ayah of Surah al-Baqarah, the last two ayaat of which we recite at night before sleeping, as part of our basic daily supplications.

    May Allah guide you and us all. Ameen.
    the meaning is the same i do not every thing litarly but in the meaning both are the same
    am not interested in memorize it by heart also
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Hiroshi View Post
    The answers are clear and easily understandable.

    Suppose you are a father with your wife and children and a neighbour brings an insulting accusation. The neighbour declares that you are a bad father for your family and your family hates you. The neighbour even goes so far as to say that your family only stay with you out of selfishness because of the good things that they receive. If they suffered hardship and if they were given the opportunity, he accuses, they would abandon you and leave.

    How would you respond to such slanderous accusations? You might react in anger and rage and drive the man away. But would that prove to onlookers that you were right? It might actually seem to suggest that you were in the wrong and could not defend your case. How much better it would be if the members of your family themselves spoke up and declared their love for you and even proved it by sticking with you through hard times.

    This would vindicate you from the accusations of your slanderous neighbour and prove him to be a liar.

    Well, this is the situation that we are faced with now. God is like the accused father in that family. And Satan is the accuser. And we are like the children who can prove by our actions the loyalty and love that we have for our creator even when faced with hardship. God knows the makeup of each one of us and will not allow us to be tempted or tested beyond what we can bear. We can make God rejoice by proving our love for him and by proving Satan to be a liar.
    i admire your example it's very accurate and easily understood
    but suppose as father of that family you actually have giving them hardship more than they can take
    and they left you " rightfully " due to the over stress and hardship you gave them
    doesn't that makes you wrong in some way ?
    or you'll just blame them for not staying with you and sufffer " unneccarry " tragic times
    that you could have stopped any moment you wanted yet you kept them to prove your point
    and they simply stayed with you as their endurance could take and then when they could not endure any more
    they left ... it just proves that father didn't know when to stop
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Sorrow Embrace View Post
    that's the problem man ... we have to submit for unknown reason .. not logical explaination
    we cannot fathoms allah's knowledge ? yet we have to just accept it as it is without questions
    i do not agree to this .. questions must be answered in order to reach true belief
    other wise belief is based on spiritual feelings not logic sense


    it's ok to wonder, but i would advise against questioning Allah accusingly. we know there are things we don't know.

    we read in Surat al Kahf:

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    And [mention] when Moses said to his servant, "I will not cease [traveling] until I reach the junction of the two seas or continue for a long period."
    18:61

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    But when they reached the junction between them, they forgot their fish, and it took its course into the sea, slipping away.
    18:62

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    So when they had passed beyond it, [Moses] said to his boy, "Bring us our morning meal. We have certainly suffered in this, our journey, [much] fatigue."
    18:63

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    He said, "Did you see when we retired to the rock? Indeed, I forgot [there] the fish. And none made me forget it except Satan - that I should mention it. And it took its course into the sea amazingly".
    18:64

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    [Moses] said, "That is what we were seeking." So they returned, following their footprints.
    18:65

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    And they found a servant from among Our servants to whom we had given mercy from us and had taught him from Us a [certain] knowledge.
    18:66

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    Moses said to him, "May I follow you on [the condition] that you teach me from what you have been taught of sound judgement?"
    18:67

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    He said, "Indeed, with me you will never be able to have patience.
    18:68

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    And how can you have patience for what you do not encompass in knowledge?"
    18:69

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    [Moses] said, "You will find me, if Allah wills, patient, and I will not disobey you in [any] order."
    18:70

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    He said, "Then if you follow me, do not ask me about anything until I make to you about it mention."
    18:71

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    So they set out, until when they had embarked on the ship, al-Khidh r tore it open. [Moses] said, "Have you torn it open to drown its people? You have certainly done a grave thing."
    18:72

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    [Al-Khidh r] said, "Did I not say that with me you would never be able to have patience?"
    18:73

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    [Moses] said, "Do not blame me for what I forgot and do not cover me in my matter with difficulty."
    18:74

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    So they set out, until when they met a boy, al-Khidh r killed him. [Moses] said, "Have you killed a pure soul for other than [having killed] a soul? You have certainly done a deplorable thing."
    18:75

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    [Al-Khidh r] said, "Did I not tell you that with me you would never be able to have patience?"
    18:76

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    [Moses] said, "If I should ask you about anything after this, then do not keep me as a companion. You have obtained from me an excuse."
    18:77

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    So they set out, until when they came to the people of a town, they asked its people for food, but they refused to offer them hospitality. And they found therein a wall about to collapse, so al-Khidh r restored it. [Moses] said, "If you wished, you could have taken for it a payment."
    18:78

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    [Al-Khidh r] said, "This is parting between me and you. I will inform you of the interpretation of that about which you could not have patience.
    18:79

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    As for the ship, it belonged to poor people working at sea. So I intended to cause defect in it as there was after them a king who seized every [good] ship by force.
    18:80

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    And as for the boy, his parents were believers, and we feared that he would overburden them by transgression and disbelief.
    18:81

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    So we intended that their Lord should substitute for them one better than him in purity and nearer to mercy.
    18:82

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    And as for the wall, it belonged to two orphan boys in the city, and there was beneath it a treasure for them, and their father had been righteous. So your Lord intended that they reach maturity and extract their treasure, as a mercy from your Lord. And I did it not of my own accord. That is the interpretation of that about which you could not have patience."
    even Musa was confused!? consider that!

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    is Allah fair ? Yes!

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    format_quote Originally Posted by Sorrow Embrace View Post
    thanks for your long answer
    you mentioned rich people turning to haram women and stuff like this
    what about poor people turning to that due to the lack financly to get married ?
    allah after all " Created " us with lust right ?
    and people who aren't able to marry should fight this lust " ALONG " with all the stuff they fight through
    every day to make simple living ?
    is that sound fair ? while others have the means to marry easily and turn blind eye to haram
    it does not sound fair to me if it is to you

    the rich who does wrong their mistakes are only blamed on them
    they did not know how to spend their money in good way
    it's not the right explaintion rather a pathway to another answer which is
    why god gives those who don't deserve it

    it just seem not right to me
    Asalaamu Alaikum...

    Your understanding is very messed up, are you going through a hard time in life right now or something?

    the rich who does wrong their mistakes are only blamed on them
    they did not know how to spend their money in good way
    it's not the right explaintion rather a pathway to another answer which is
    why god gives those who don't deserve it
    "Deserve it"? And who said being rich is what everyone wants? Why didn't Muhammad(pbuh) despite having vast opportunities of "being rich" instead chose to live a poor man's life? Why is that the case for many other people in history and even today?

    Your undestanding of things is messed up, you don't want to accept any answer given and I feel people are just wasting their time =/
    is Allah fair ? Yes!

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    format_quote Originally Posted by Hamza81 View Post
    Asalaamu Alaikum, Brother firstly you or i are not in a position to judge the life of others. Be they poor, rich, handsome or ugly. We do not know what they go through on a daily basis. It maybe that a rich man although may look happy to you on the outiside but we know nothing about what turmoil or anguish he is going through in his life. You may look at a poor man but is may be completly content and happy with his life even more than the rich man.

    Why are suicide rates in the west so much higher than anywhere else in the world? Even though the west has all of the riches in the world. Simply because people are not happy or content with their lives even though they may have wealth. Just a couple of months ago in the UK in London this millionnaire committed suicide. His family was asked his story and his mother said that he lived a normal life until he won a lot of money on th lottery. After that he bought himself a huge house and lived in it partying all of the time with his friends and he lived a life of indulgence. She mentioned sadly that out of the blue he just took his own life. When it was asked of her why her son did such a thing she said that if he did'nt win the lottery then he would still be alive today. When he won the lottery he bought whatever he wanted and he lived the high life but he was never happy. He died in a huge house all alone out of misery.

    I also remember watching a documentary of a celebrity property developer who went to the slums of Bombay. He was astounded when he went there and what he had experienced. He said in a place of such poverty you would have thought that you would see people who would be miserable and depressed but they are so happy. He kept saying why are they so happy? He just could'nt understand why they were so much happier than people in the west. In the end he accepted that although these people may be the poorest people on earth but they were content and happy because they had family and friends around them and they had just about enough to survive and that was enough for them. That changed his whole perception of life because it taught him that money does not by happiness but happiness and contentment comes from other things like family, religion, feeling a sense of belonging etc.

    Therefore you should never "judge" another and say just because he is rich he is happy or he is poor he is unhappy because you could not be more wrong. You do not know anything about a persons life and what they are going through and what they have experienced etc. We cannot look at another person and say they are happy even though we may always see them smile because what a person is truly going through we would never know. What is hidden inside is not necessery going to be reflected in the exterior of a person.


    So accept the fact that you cannot judge who is happy or unhappy for that is something we are not aware of. We can only judge our own lives. Wealth and riches although they may bring some ease in a persons life certainly do not bring about satsifaction, contentment and happiness for it may be that a poor man has a much richer and fulfilling life than a rich man who although has all the riches in the world may live an empty existence.

    So we are clear now that you can only judge your own life not the life of others. You also judged how some people are given easy or hard tests but again how can you truly know what kind of tests a person goes through throughout their lives?

    A person does not just go through one or two tests in their lifetime but one goes through many tests all throughout ones life. A person may have a simple test one day and somewhere down the line get hit by a very hard test.

    We all go through a varying degree of tests in our life. It doesn't mean that we are given one or two simple or hard tests. You or i will never know what kind of tests a person will go through in our lives. People do not always advertise their tests. If we were to know the kind of tests people are going through i promise we would all be shocked and think how would we ever have guessed that person is going through whay they are going through.

    So my brother do not judge the life of others by what you see on the exteriour or what you hear about from others as you and i do not know how happy or sad they are throughout their lives and you and i do not know what kind of tests they will go through throughout their lives. You will only ever truly know about a fraction of a persons life and what they have been through as whatever is in the heart is hidden from us so again do not judge the life of others.

    What you see on the outside is notnecesserily what is reflected on what a person is feeling on the inside. Wealth does not bring happiness nor does beauty or health. A person who is poor, ugly or ill maybe much happier and content in their life than a person who is rich, A ugly person may have more contentment, happiness and peace in their heart than a person who is beautiful. An ill person may feel more contentment and happiness than a person who has health.

    It maybe that a wealthy person loses their wealth. Or a healthy person loses their health. Or a beautiful person loses their beauty. We do not know what we have until its gone. None of these things cause lifelong happiness and so you or i cannot judge happiness or sadness in ones life based on these things.

    You need to ask yourself what is the purpose of my life? Is it to live, work, marry have kids and die? No of course not and if you are Muslim then you would know that is not the answer. We are only created for one purpose and that is to worship Allah. Along our journey in life we will be tested. So in effect we are in a test ground. So obviously on a test ground we are going to be tested. Maybe right now you are being tested more than me. But maybe tomorrow or next week a bigger test may come to me and your test maybe eased. Life is full of varying degree of tests.

    If you have an important exam then will you pass if you don't revise? The simple fact is that if you don't work hard and make the effort then you will fail. Therefore you will have to work very hard to pass your exams. Sameway we are in an examination but the only difference is it can end at any second as we are not aware when our exam will come to an end. So just like an examination there will be easier and harder tests. So if we want to pass we need to put the effort in and that applies to anything in life. You have to work hard to get what you want. Sameway if you want Paradise then you have to work for it.

    But let me ask you something. our life is on average 70 years. Lets say your 30. You have on average 40 years left in this life. Now if you devote 40 years of your life to Allah then you will gain eternity of bliss in return. Is that fair?

    40 years worship= Eternity in Paradise

    That is very unfair. Why should we be given eternity of bliss in Paradise for only 40 to 50 years of devotion? That doesn't seem fair to me that we should be given so much for such little devotion. That is being too generous but Allah is the most generous. For just 40 - 50 years of suffering and patience he will give eternity of bliss in Paradise. That is like a few seconds compared to eternity.

    Now if a person suffered more and was patient relying on Allah, invested more into the hereafter as in worshipping and pleased Allah and another person just did minimal as in prayed, fasted and kept away from major sin etc then is it fair that they both go to the same Paradise? Of course not and that is because there are many different levels of Paradise depending on how much one put into the hereafter and pleasing Allah. The more suffering one endures with patience and the more one invests into the hereafter the higher the rank of that person will be in Paradise. The difference between one Paradise to another is like this earth and when you look up at the night sky and the star that you see far far away.

    So everyone will get what they are entitled to according to their situation and what they went through in life . That is something we cannot know or judge. Only Allah has that knolwedge for he is the best of all judges and Ais most just and true justice will ONLY happen in the next world.

    Therefore we are getting SO much more in return for our short life in this world yet we still complain? In the hereafter the currency will be good deeds not money or gold. Once we see our deeds we will wish we went through so much more suffering and endured it for the pleasure of Allah just so that we can gain more good deeds.

    So the Reward of going through difficult trials and hardships is so much more than the suffering that oen would have gone through!

    Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah Allah's Messenger (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) said, "On the Day of Resurrection, when people who have suffered affliction are given their reward, those who are healthy will wish their skins had been cut to pieces with scissors when they were in the world." (Al-Tirmidhi #1570)

    We will wish we had invested so much more just so that could have had more good deeds. We will wish we were taken back to the earth so that we can live this life again just so that we can live a life pleasing Allah and doing good deeds but we will not be able to as this is our ONLY chance. We must NOT waste this one chance we have.

    Shaythan is always trying to deter us from the right path and one of the ways he tries this is by telling us how unfair Allah is when in reality what we will get in return for our devotion and patience is WAY TOO MUCH than we deserve. It is a bit like your manager giving you a million pounds a day for the current job you are doing. The simple fact is will get MUCH more than we can ever comprehend for the little good we would have done in this world.

    If we think deeply about the favours Allah has done for us for will never be able to comprehend his favours because they are too numerous. What is required of us is so little in return for what we will get inshallah. So let us realise that Allah has given us too too much for us to ever even think of thinking of him as being unfair. He created us so knows what is best for us.

    And Allah knows best in all matters
    hey bro .. thanks for replying and i suppose your reply is very reasonable
    but to share few concerns and points i'd like to point to

    first : does sadness befalls only on the rich ? does happiness befalls only on the poor ?
    i guess both are exposed to it on equal doses
    more to describe poor people are more exposed to sadness than the rich
    due the daily stress and struggles to make the living in this harsh existence
    a father with ill son and not enough money to treat him is a tragic
    a rich person would pay easily and not worry about it
    now of course money don't grant health or cure .. but it's the mean to it
    a cancer can be removed by operation not prayers
    healing and success in those matters is returned to allah then
    so we agree that sadness and happiness does not serperate rich from poor
    and comes for both of them ?

    secondly : now the tests in this life vary in level of difficulty and the resources given to you to help you through them it's fact
    i know allah offord higher heavens to people who endure more than others
    but my point is by giving them harder test you giving them also higher risk to fail
    it's like easy small gain but safe in heaven ... hard .. big reward .. high chance to fail
    and the fact we didn't choose the difficulty of those tests
    neither we choosed the means and previlage given to us to go through those tests
    a person with very hard test and so little previlages giving to him by allah
    is easily jusified to fail in my opinion
    and a person with easy test and alot of means to success in this test
    is highly to success but not coz he's better ... but allah favored him over the first person
    would allah put to hell those who fail at hard tests ? but why not think that the test was more hard than other people ? why to ignore this fact and pretend they earned their fate but the fact is .. they were forced on their fate

    and i reliaze that allah was generous to reward us with eternal life in heaven for the suffering of few years on earth but the person should ask
    why must i suffer through those years to gain heaven at the end
    while others lives it comfortably also worshiping allah and go to heaven at the end
    the reward is surely bigger but so the odd to fail under pressure
    does allah feels the same way we do ? or his nature cannot be compared to human feelings ?
    does allah feels people's pain ? i really doubt this

    you mentioned this is one chance we get at life .. yet we find our self giving smaller chance of success
    or bigger chance of success than others .. to treat fairly all must be given equal chance

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    Are you questioning Allah? Do you not believe in something called "fate"? There's wisdom behind everything Allah does, we have absolutely no right whatsoever to question what Allah wishes.

    Edit: Asking too many questions could lead to destruction.. :><: So.. Just be careful yea?

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