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    ok the only reason i joined these forums is to ask a question
    regarding allah
    first of all .. this is post of mere question and not intend to insult anyone's belief
    the examples might be harsh .. but also are facts
    second as my profile says am muslim " kind of "
    i was muslim since birth but since few years a question poping in my head which
    i found no answer for anywhere
    this could be long but i'll try to make it as short as i can

    the simple question is .. is allah all fair and wisdom ?
    he certinally claim that ... and i certinally don't see this through life
    the way i see it
    i see poor ... i see rich
    i see weak ... i see strong
    i see healthy .. i see sick
    there's beauty .. and there's ugly
    there's happiness and there's sadness .. the list goes on forever
    where is the wisdom and fairness in that ?

    what sets the people from the first class above .. over the second class ?
    in what rights people must work for their whole life for simplest things
    that other got before they were born ?

    what makes the person with happy life more special to have a good life
    and what makes the person too ****ed to get bad life with poor resources ?
    the same thing could be applied for all above ...

    but on the outcome allah will judge eventally all of us for all i know with no regard
    for our situations in life .. and the path some are " forced " to take

    for example : a rich person allah have adviced honest marriage and to thank allah for his blessings on him
    but a poor person who wouldn't afford marriage ? what did allah advice ? to fast
    that's right .. by the way am an arab and i know what am talking about
    a person who can't afford marriage god adviced him to fast " doesn't make sense to me "
    but supposedly fasting reduce the lust
    however this is a mere example

    so god gave the rich the means to enjoy life .. while given the poor .. an extra duty replacing
    one of life's joy

    there's no wisdom in that ... if there's i certinaly don't see it

    moving on ..
    a person who lives hard life .. eiather is poor .. sick .. ect ect
    have harsh life which sometimes is forced to ask these kind of question
    which i view them as questions with no answer and will lead eventally to believe in god's existence .. but ain't worth of worship .. " the state i reached "

    this is not question i came up with yesterday or so
    this is the result of years in search for question that allah did not answer
    by all means am 22 now .. this question been with me since i was 16
    any one with suitable explaination please share .. it's most welcome AND needed
    now please before attempt to answer this .. read below
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    it's not that this the first time am asking such thing so i got answers which i consider
    flawed and non realistic or not rational here they are so i don't get the same answers i dismissed in the past

    answer 1 : the life is only one part of human existence
    there's the afterlife where god would give those who weren't given in life

    dismissed for : person with happy life and comfortable one is easier for him to thank god for his blessing and all
    but what about a person with hard life who the life had forced to question the order of things
    and to question allah's wisdom coz there's no answers enough
    that person might be forced to say : why the hell i should work hard to get what i want and always not enough .. while other people born with life of luxury
    and come up with the conclusion allah is not fair
    such questions are poisoned but once asked there's no turning back and the answers so far
    aren't convicing ... to point it simple
    it's eaiser to thank god by rich person with happy life
    than to have patience of person with bad life

    answer 2 : life can't go on if we're all rich or poor there must be people who have money to give other people's to do jobs these people don't do

    dismissed for : simply what makes the person with money better than the cleaners of the streets ? why are those who meant to clean .. and the others are meant to be rich to pay for it ?
    again .. no wisdom .. no explination

    answer 3 : allah gives who ever he wants

    dismissed for : being the most stupid answer ever coz it doesn't answer anything but further prove my theory of allah ain't fair .. which i hate to say but forced to

    answer 4 " my favorite " : allah got reason behind his acts which are reason a human beings with their limited thinking can't know them

    dismissed for : the reason it's my favorite answer coz it's the closest to be true .. but alas also flawed
    suppose allah really did has reason to do what he does .. a reason we cannot understand because
    we were created in a way which we weren't meant to understand allah's acts
    so when we see god's acts as wrong .. they got reason behind them
    but since we are human beings and can't see those reasons .. it's stupid to consider those reasons without knowing them .. because allah and islam encourage us to use our brain
    not to shove it in the dark and follow blindly
    and when we use our brain .. we come out with questions that got no answers

    answer 5 : world is a test

    dismissed for : the test vary from people to other .. some tests are eaiser and some tests are harder ... again there's no fairness in that those who fail at hard test are wronged compared to those who success at simple tests
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    so people .. any person with answers beside the above listed .. is very welcome
    as much as i doubt there's any .. but nothing gained nothing lost
    and thanks in advance
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    re: is Allah fair ? Yes!

    and answer 6: muslims who go through more tests and difficulty will be rewarded for their perseverence more than others in the hereafter
    is Allah fair ? Yes!

    33 43 1 - is Allah fair ? Yes!
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    re: is Allah fair ? Yes!



    Life is not fair nor just. Hardships are unequal, some live a life of luxury with no need to even lift a finger, others starve to death even after never having as much as a minute of rest.

    We live in a physical world with physical limitations and physical hardships.

    Yet, it is all necessary. We live a human existence and all of these apparent injustices bring about both the worse and best in humanity. The human traits of compassion and charity could never exist if there was no need for them. Self help would never be needed if we all had all of our physical needs handed to us. None of us could ever understand justice if we did not experience injustice. We would have no experience of love if we did not ever see hatred. Life is a very complex cycle and full of pain with moments of pleasure. All of these are needed if we each are to experience being human, and it is only by experiencing being human can we ever hope to rise above our limitations and come to understand the value of eternal bliss.

    Yes Allaah(swt) is fair and just, he has given each of us the opportunity to learn and grow and truly earn our final destination.
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    so allah allows suffering of some people with injustice ... so can other experince justice ?
    and the vicitms of injustice ... their life ? decisions ? after the injustice done to them ? losing the faith ?
    that doesn't matter ? it doesn't count that allah allowed the suffering of these people before the lost their faith in him ?
    so they're just tools to allah ?

    the final destination is false concept since our fates already sealed by allah
    a vicitm of injustice or other bad things in life is easily driving away from having faith in allah
    due the damage done to them
    apart .. allah is not human .. how could he possiably understand human feelings ?
    and the results left by these things he premit or do to them

    we do not choose our path .. but the path choose us
    am guy of facts and reasoning ... i see no reason in creating suffering and injustice
    coz the people under such situation no longer have the choice
    as person if you were opressed by another human being .. normally you'd hold hatred for that person
    but in this case .. you eiather follow god's will blindly without actually " understand it "
    or you hate god for what he's done to you and be in hell forever

    it seems both path are not really choices ... but forcing of certain choice
    it's like .. it's my way or the hell way
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    format_quote Originally Posted by aadil77 View Post
    and answer 6: muslims who go through more tests and difficulty will be rewarded for their perseverence more than others in the hereafter
    actually my friend i already posted that in the flawed answers
    coz the harder the test .. the harder to success at it
    and since none of us choose the diffuaclty of their test allah did
    so you see my point

    it's truth harder tests means greater reward .. but also greater chance of failing
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Sorrow Embrace View Post
    so allah allows suffering of some people with injustice ... so can other experince justice ?
    and the vicitms of injustice ... their life ? decisions ? after the injustice done to them ? losing the faith ?
    that doesn't matter ? it doesn't count that allah allowed the suffering of these people before the lost their faith in him ?
    so they're just tools to allah ?
    How old are you, 10? You're either deliberately being ignorant or you have poor comprehension skills

    Allah allows suffering and injustice because He wills, just as He allows the opposite. I'm not gonna repeat this again, people who have suffered more will be rewarded more than others.

    the final destination is false concept since our fates already sealed by allah
    a vicitm of injustice or other bad things in life is easily driving away from having faith in allah
    due the damage done to them
    apart .. allah is not human .. how could he possiably understand human feelings ?
    and the results left by these things he premit or do to them
    Unfortunately if you wish to remain a muslim will have to accept that the 'final destination' does exist. We have been given the ability to change our fate. A victim of injustice will not be driven away from having faith unless they are stupid - only the opposite. If you are going through 'bad things' you are naturally going to pray to Allah more for Him to help you, because no one else can help you.

    Allah is not human but He knows everything, I'm suprised you don't know this - you should go to madrasa more often. Allah knows everything we think, everything we feel and everything we are going to do.

    we do not choose our path .. but the path choose us
    am guy of facts and reasoning ... i see no reason in creating suffering and injustice
    coz the people under such situation no longer have the choice
    as person if you were opressed by another human being .. normally you'd hold hatred for that person
    but in this case .. you eiather follow god's will blindly without actually " understand it "
    or you hate god for what he's done to you and be in hell forever
    Suffering and injustice make you appreciate the blessings of Allah more, people who are ignorant and rich have no care or any idea of how much they have been blessed by Allah - only suffering can make you realise that.

    Allah is Al-Mighty, you have to accept what He wills, many prophets went through suffering and injustice and now they will be rewarded with jannah

    This life is temporary, the few years you go through hardship will be made up by eternal jannah
    is Allah fair ? Yes!

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    re: is Allah fair ? Yes!




    I think you have to understand what 'Test' actually implies.


    It does not mean to have a hard time. Rather, that is only one type of test.

    Another type of test is to actually have a time of ease. Will you be thankful to Allah during that time? Or will you do sins during that time because you feel you don't need to remember Allah?



    Allah tests us in times of Distress and times of Ease and Prosperity. It's how we react to those tests which shows if you are truly sincere and reliant on Allah.



    In regard to your question about why some are more higher in rank than others;

    أَهُمْ يَقْسِمُونَ رَحْمَتَ رَبِّكَ ۚ نَحْنُ قَسَمْنَا بَيْنَهُم مَّعِيشَتَهُمْ فِي الْحَيَاةِ الدُّنْيَا ۚ
    وَرَفَعْنَا بَعْضَهُمْ فَوْقَ بَعْضٍ دَرَجَاتٍ لِّيَتَّخِذَ بَعْضُهُم بَعْضًا سُخْرِيًّا ۗ وَرَحْمَتُ رَبِّكَ خَيْرٌ مِّمَّا يَجْمَعُونَ

    Do they distribute the mercy of your Lord? It is We who have apportioned among them their livelihood in the life of this world and have raised some of them above others in degrees [of rank] that they may make use of one another for service. But the mercy of your Lord is better than whatever they accumulate.

    [Quran - az-Zukhruf 43:32]

    I know of people who are rich, but they are disabled. Then there are others who are poor - but they are strong in health. And I know that both groups go through hardships in life [see surah Balad 90:4] - yet they are both tested in their own ways. Each thinking his hardship is more harder than the other persons.


    What we have to do is see our life, and use that to relieve other peoples hardships to please Allah [who gave us all the good in the first place]. This is a sign that you are grateful to Allah, and for that He will reward you insha' Allah.


    So you should have 2 main characteristics during Tests;
    Sabr [Patience] during Hardship, and Shukr [Thankfulness] during Ease.

    You will notice that those who do not know Allah do not be Patient during hard times, and they do not be thankful to Him during the easy times.


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    re: is Allah fair ? Yes!



    The value of hardships can only come from living them and discovering the rewards they bring. The uselessness of ease can only come from experiencing it and discovering what all we lost as a result of enjoying it.

    One can not be taught life, one has to live it. May you live a good life and have the wisdom to discover what true values are and what true fairness is.

    You will not believe my words but speaking as an old man who has experienced many extremes in life I will honestly say that the times of my life when I gained the most were the times I suffered deeply. The times I lost the most were my times of great happiness, when I now reflect back on my life. Looking back I now value the times of immense pain much more then my years of pleasure.

    Pain, injustice, sorrow and unfairness are only our interpretations of what we needed most at the moment. Our needs are not always what we want.
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    Greetings and peace be with you Sorrow Embrace;

    the harder the test .. the harder to success at it
    and since none of us choose the diffuaclty of their test allah did
    so you see my point
    I seem to remember reading that Allah will never place a burden on anyone, greater than they can bear.

    If we are to believe in Allah, then We have no choice, other than to believe that Allah is merciful and just.

    In the spirit of searching for a just and merciful God.

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    Greetings and peace be with you brother Woodrow,

    Woodrow;1404060]

    The value of hardships can only come from living them and discovering the rewards they bring. The uselessness of ease can only come from experiencing it and discovering what all we lost as a result of enjoying it.

    One can not be taught life, one has to live it. May you live a good life and have the wisdom to discover what true values are and what true fairness is.

    You will not believe my words but speaking as an old man who has experienced many extremes in life I will honestly say that the times of my life when I gained the most were the times I suffered deeply. The times I lost the most were my times of great happiness, when I now reflect back on my life. Looking back I now value the times of immense pain much more then my years of pleasure.

    Pain, injustice, sorrow and unfairness are only our interpretations of what we needed most at the moment. Our needs are not always what we want.
    I am an old man too, although I might not be just as old as you, but I agree with your reply, and if only we could understand the difference between needs and wants.

    In the spirit of searching for a just and merciful God

    Eric
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    re: is Allah fair ? Yes!

    Allah is the fairest! What we want and need are 2 completely different things - a quote I came across highlights this brilliantly (although I'm not sure of it's source), "You are not aware of the consequences that would result (if you were granted what you desire) because what you seek might be to your detriment. (O soul) be conscious that your Master is more aware about your well-being than you are"

    To add to this, Eric is also right, on no soul does Allah place a burden heavier than it can carry. Allah tests those he loves, he tests them to protect them, correct them, direct them, inspect them and perfect them.

    Inshallah Allah guides you towards the right path of islam and keeps you steadfast in prayer, ameen.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by aadil77 View Post
    How old are you, 10? You're either deliberately being ignorant or you have poor comprehension skills

    Allah allows suffering and injustice because He wills, just as He allows the opposite. I'm not gonna repeat this again, people who have suffered more will be rewarded more than others.



    Unfortunately if you wish to remain a muslim will have to accept that the 'final destination' does exist. We have been given the ability to change our fate. A victim of injustice will not be driven away from having faith unless they are stupid - only the opposite. If you are going through 'bad things' you are naturally going to pray to Allah more for Him to help you, because no one else can help you.

    Allah is not human but He knows everything, I'm suprised you don't know this - you should go to madrasa more often. Allah knows everything we think, everything we feel and everything we are going to do.



    Suffering and injustice make you appreciate the blessings of Allah more, people who are ignorant and rich have no care or any idea of how much they have been blessed by Allah - only suffering can make you realise that.

    Allah is Al-Mighty, you have to accept what He wills, many prophets went through suffering and injustice and now they will be rewarded with jannah

    This life is temporary, the few years you go through hardship will be made up by eternal jannah
    sorry mate .. got nothing to say to like of you ...
    i been attacked personaly or mocked for these question you consider stupid
    you answers show lack of knowledge yet you mocking me ?

    yes people can be driven out of faith at certain times
    anyway am here for civilized discussions .. if you want to mock some one i advice some one else
    got no time for you
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    re: is Allah fair ? Yes!

    format_quote Originally Posted by - Qatada - View Post



    I think you have to understand what 'Test' actually implies.


    It does not mean to have a hard time. Rather, that is only one type of test.

    Another type of test is to actually have a time of ease. Will you be thankful to Allah during that time? Or will you do sins during that time because you feel you don't need to remember Allah?



    Allah tests us in times of Distress and times of Ease and Prosperity. It's how we react to those tests which shows if you are truly sincere and reliant on Allah.



    In regard to your question about why some are more higher in rank than others;
    أَهُمْ يَقْسِمُونَ رَحْمَتَ رَبِّكَ ۚ نَحْنُ قَسَمْنَا بَيْنَهُم مَّعِيشَتَهُمْ فِي الْحَيَاةِ الدُّنْيَا ۚ
    وَرَفَعْنَا بَعْضَهُمْ فَوْقَ بَعْضٍ دَرَجَاتٍ لِّيَتَّخِذَ بَعْضُهُم بَعْضًا سُخْرِيًّا ۗ وَرَحْمَتُ رَبِّكَ خَيْرٌ مِّمَّا يَجْمَعُونَ

    Do they distribute the mercy of your Lord? It is We who have apportioned among them their livelihood in the life of this world and have raised some of them above others in degrees [of rank] that they may make use of one another for service. But the mercy of your Lord is better than whatever they accumulate.


    What we have to do is see our life, and use that to relieve other peoples hardships to please Allah [who gave us all the good in the first place]. This is a sign that you are grateful to Allah, and for that He will reward you insha' Allah.


    So you should have 2 main characteristics during Tests;
    Sabr [Patience] during Hardship, and Shukr [Thankfulness] during Ease.
    You will notice that those who do not know Allah do not be Patient during hard times, and they do not be thankful to Him during the easy times.


    apporicate the time you took to answer and this answer is good
    alas also not complete .. you see this is the problem .. no answer is complete
    there's always doubt

    you mention that poor are strong and rich are disabled or disased
    but keep in mind disase does not know rich or poor
    disability don't only come to rich people .. for the poor as well

    i heard it before and sorry to say but it's not convincing but i thank you for the try
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow View Post


    The value of hardships can only come from living them and discovering the rewards they bring. The uselessness of ease can only come from experiencing it and discovering what all we lost as a result of enjoying it.

    One can not be taught life, one has to live it. May you live a good life and have the wisdom to discover what true values are and what true fairness is.

    You will not believe my words but speaking as an old man who has experienced many extremes in life I will honestly say that the times of my life when I gained the most were the times I suffered deeply. The times I lost the most were my times of great happiness, when I now reflect back on my life. Looking back I now value the times of immense pain much more then my years of pleasure.

    Pain, injustice, sorrow and unfairness are only our interpretations of what we needed most at the moment. Our needs are not always what we want.
    hello to you
    yes i can take the words of older people sometimes as granted coz we have saying
    " a person older than you with one day .. have the knowledge of year more than you "

    but i never been person to follow blindly .. and isn't that the purpose of our mind that we were given ?
    had i want to follow and believe without actually understanding i wouldn't have asked such things
    but to believe the mind must be presuaded before the spirit

    like you mentioned .. good can come out of bad events
    you didn't reliazed it though till you saw the good of it right ?

    until that good happens they're only bad things
    it's logical thinking
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Neelofar View Post
    Allah is the fairest! What we want and need are 2 completely different things - a quote I came across highlights this brilliantly (although I'm not sure of it's source), "You are not aware of the consequences that would result (if you were granted what you desire) because what you seek might be to your detriment. (O soul) be conscious that your Master is more aware about your well-being than you are"

    To add to this, Eric is also right, on no soul does Allah place a burden heavier than it can carry. Allah tests those he loves, he tests them to protect them, correct them, direct them, inspect them and perfect them.

    Inshallah Allah guides you towards the right path of islam and keeps you steadfast in prayer, ameen.
    it's " ان الله لا يحمل نفسا الا وسعها "
    if i recall it right

    but am afraid that's one of the words of widsom that does not have real impact in real life
    you'll reliaze how wrong those line is when one person lose faith under hard situations
    yet people are so quick to judge that person and blame him " ignoring " the reason
    that got him this way
    therefor i don't think i believe that line based on real living proofs
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow View Post
    You will not believe my words but speaking as an old man who has experienced many extremes in life I will honestly say that the times of my life when I gained the most were the times I suffered deeply. The times I lost the most were my times of great happiness, when I now reflect back on my life. Looking back I now value the times of immense pain much more then my years of pleasure.
    This is also exactly my experience.

    Ease is actually a harder test than hardships.

    Looking back at my life (although I am nowhere as old as you are ), i definitely failed the test during the times of ease. I practically left Islam when I was given the blessings of wealth and intellect. I also neglected relationships with real friends and family.
    and only during my hardships that I turned back to Allah, when I had no one, it was only by Allah's will and blessings that I was slowly gaining everything that I squandered before during my time of ease. I shudder (and cry) everytime I am thinking about those jahiliyya period of my life, had Allah kept giving me ease, wealth and health I would've stayed in the wrong path and if I'd died then surely I would have gone straight to hell.

    Many people do not realize that hardships often can be blessings from Allah so that we go back to Him. And for those that realize it, how fortunate they are!

    So to the OP, this is what I want to say:
    You are a muslim (even if you may not be practicing), so you believe with your heart that Allah exists.
    If you believe that Allah exists, surely you also believe that Al Qur'an is the truth.
    As I can see from your writing, you may not exactly have the correct knowledge and wisdom about Allah and Islam, so I suggest you to start learning and reading al Qur'an and educate yourself on the tenets of Islam. Reading Qur'an and the biography of prophet Muhammad SAW is a good place to start.
    Your "concerns" will be answered fully and satisfyingly Insha Allah
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    I doubt you will ever find an answer by looking at the apparent injustice in the lives of others. Neither you nor I have the ability to look into the hearts of others and know for certain if Allaah(swt) has treated them unfairly. Perhaps this is a question we all need to ask our selves, ask of our own self the simple question "Has Allaah(swt) treated me fairly?" If your answer to that is yes, there is no need to be concerned about if you think he treats others unfairly. If you feel he has treated you unfairly, perhaps you need to share your reasons with somebody close to you.

    On a personal note I feel I have been treated with the utmost fairness although some who know my life are convinced I have often been given a very unjust burden. Self perception and awareness of what Allaah(swt) has given us personally may be the answer to your question.
    is Allah fair ? Yes!

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    format_quote Originally Posted by Sorrow Embrace View Post
    but i never been person to follow blindly .. and isn't that the purpose of our mind that we were given ?

    I find this rather contradictory.

    you claim refuse to follow blindly, but yet from what's written by you, I am not convinced that you have learnt much about Islam.
    One can only be said "not following blindly" if they have learnt all the facts.
    But if they are ignorant but refusing to learn and insisting on using their desire without knowledge, then I am afraid that person is "following blindly". In this case following blindly their own mind with limited knowledge.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by naidamar View Post
    This is also exactly my experience.

    Ease is actually a harder test than hardships.

    Looking back at my life (although I am nowhere as old as you are ), i definitely failed the test during the times of ease. I practically left Islam when I was given the blessings of wealth and intellect. I also neglected relationships with real friends and family.
    and only during my hardships that I turned back to Allah, when I had no one, it was only by Allah's will and blessings that I was slowly gaining everything that I squandered before during my time of ease. I shudder (and cry) everytime I am thinking about those jahiliyya period of my life, had Allah kept giving me ease, wealth and health I would've stayed in the wrong path and if I'd died then surely I would have gone straight to hell.

    Many people do not realize that hardships often can be blessings from Allah so that we go back to Him. And for those that realize it, how fortunate they are!

    So to the OP, this is what I want to say:
    You are a muslim (even if you may not be practicing), so you believe with your heart that Allah exists.
    If you believe that Allah exists, surely you also believe that Al Qur'an is the truth.
    As I can see from your writing, you may not exactly have the correct knowledge and wisdom about Allah and Islam, so I suggest you to start learning and reading al Qur'an and educate yourself on the tenets of Islam. Reading Qur'an and the biography of prophet Muhammad SAW is a good place to start.
    Your "concerns" will be answered fully and satisfyingly Insha Allah
    actually i got the totall idea about islam and allah .. i should know i been raised as one since birth
    i know every thing about islam .. and Quran
    there's no answer there in Quran for such question .. only light statements regarding eiather " god do what he wants and gives what he wants "
    or as some one mentioned above that levels are made so some are made to serve others

    both seem far from fair .. way too far
    allah exist .. yes i don't got doubts of that
    quran is allah's words yes also but simply there's no 100% sure answer
    even people who believe so ... to me it seems they just believe it simply believe it
    .. kinda of spiritual believe what i want is believe with 100% understanding

    let me give you an example :
    a king tells you he's good and fair and just and ect ect ect
    but in his actions you don't see any of those things he claim .. i simply wouldn't follow that king

    he got his own reasons to do what he does ? perhaps
    but since i don't know his reason i am right not to follow till those reasons are cleared
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow View Post
    Sorrow Embrace

    I doubt you will ever find an answer by looking at the apparent injustice in the lives of others. Neither you nor I have the ability to look into the hearts of others and know for certain if Allaah(swt) has treated them unfairly. Perhaps this is a question we all need to ask our selves, ask of our own self the simple question "Has Allaah(swt) treated me fairly?" If your answer to that is yes, there is no need to be concerned about if you think he treats others unfairly. If you feel he has treated you unfairly, perhaps you need to share your reasons with somebody close to you.

    On a personal note I feel I have been treated with the utmost fairness although some who know my life are convinced I have often been given a very unjust burden. Self perception and awareness of what Allaah(swt) has given us personally may be the answer to your question.
    as much as i hate to say it but you're right
    it seems like there's no answer
    and by treated unfairly i don't only talk of my self even others
    i walk the streets and find a homeless woman at the corner of the street and it's winter cold as hell
    walk alittle more and find a guy with fancy car drinking with his gf sitting next to him
    when the beggar lady approach him for little money he get the eww look on his face and drives away
    this is example of one thing i saw
    there's many things are wrose

    why god gives people who don't deserve what they have and like this ?
    why prefer them over others ? why allow such things ?
    i have no idea but certinally it doesn't seem right to me
    i been raised in a way to know right from wrong .. and all of allah's acts seem wrong to me
    they're wrong on both accounts .. eiather done by him .. or premitted by him
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