Some misconceptions about Islam, or questions. Pls answer.

format_quote Originally Posted by StrivingforDeen

What if an kaffir still does become best friends with a muslim.

I believe it says take not disbelievers as your allies as they do not have your best interests at heart. Now, that is actually quite specific. Allies (as in a group, like those who caused mischief) but individuals, can individuals be considered as allies? They are more friends. Allies are for when you make a pact. Friends are based on mutual understanding and tolerance.

format_quote Originally Posted by Serinity

Cuz I read, that The Prophet SAW killed disbelievers, just for being disbelievers. And I am here thinking "but there is no compulsion in religion!"

And I feel, that it went against how I viewed the Prophet SAW as a mercy to Mankind, and how a believer is like rain, spreading only goodness, destroying evil etc.

There was another story related about the time when the holy prophet went to another town to seek alliance with a community that had pledged to assist the prophet (saw). But when he got there, they were hostile to him and pelted him with stones. He was battered and bruised by the time he found a resting place and Gabriel came o him and asked if there was anything the prophet wanted, just say it, and the people would be destroyed and the prophet answered (incredibly) that he was sent as a mercy to mankind, what mercy would it be if he wished destruction for them?.....

It seems that way...

I have mentioned this in another thread awhile back but I'll tell it again. It relates to the story about the town people that pelted the prophet (saw).

Maybe a year ago, in a mosque north of Malaysia someone gave a talk. It was told, in the talk, that because of the prophet's mercy, he is alive today. Had Nabi asked for punishment to be given, there would be no him, or his family, . . In fact, the subsequent generations embraced islam. In addition, they felt shameful. . .

I couldn't believe to hear it told.

format_quote Originally Posted by greenhill

I have mentioned this in another thread awhile back but I'll tell it again. It relates to the story about the town people that pelted the prophet (saw).

Maybe a year ago, in a mosque north of Malaysia someone gave a talk. It was told, in the talk, that because of the prophet's mercy, he is alive today. Had Nabi asked for punishment to be given, there would be no him, or his family, . . In fact, the subsequent generations embraced islam. In addition, they felt shameful. . .

I couldn't believe to hear it told.

SubhanAllah!

Imagine the good deeds!

If we were to spare a disbeliever, and that disbeliever's off spring were to become righteous.... Man. I mean, this religion did not come to wage war on mankind. It came as a mercy.

I still have some things, needed clarified tho. Like, can we show affection to kafirs, and if not, how come we can then marry Christians/Jews?

EDIT:

Please explain to me verse 60:4 ... Please enlighten me, and make me see this religion more 'justly'.. On 1 side, I see it as peaceful, and on the other, 'cult-like' and rigid.

Ps. How should we view the punishments from Allah..

Cuz, any punishment is wretched in my eyes. Surely Allah did not create punishments for us to say "How wonderful!" etc...Idk tho, may Allah forgive me for any wrong.. Ameen.

cuz I don't like bloodshed of any kind...

PS. Allah says we can not ally with kafirs, Jews or christians, but isn't coexistence and peace treaties exactly that?????? Idk.. I am wrong, 100%

I have one question that is buggin me.

So I read that Allah hates the disbelievers, and etc. Where in an ayat, it says " and Allah hates the disbelievers" somewhere..

My question is. Why would Allah hate a non muslim.. Like If I reflect back on my 'ignorant days' and to think that Allah would hate me, would seem unreasonable. I am pretty sure there are kafirs who were in the same position as me.

Like I've met nice kafirs who are nice etc. Why would Allah hate them?? while they don't even know it???????

I know Allah is all knowing and All-wise. So I know Allah would not hate someone unreasonably. It just makes me uneasy that Allah would hate a kafir, even when he does not know.

My previous view point was that Allah hated those who rejected WHILE knowing the truth, and not those who are just ignorant, and does not know.. Those who angered Allah etc.

I know tho, when Allah says something about hating disbelievers, it may be specific disbelievers. I mean, there are disbelievers who has angered Allah etc.. Like The Jews.. But the today jews, are they all hated for what the previous Jews have done to anger Allah??

I mean, there are ayahs, that speak of the Jews angering Allah etc.

Knowing that Allah is all-wise, I can't see Him having anger upon the today's jews like He SWT had on the previous one. Cuz to each their own, as they say.
Well... How confusing..

Can someone rational and knowledgeable in Islam, or rather Aqeedah-wise.

I firmly believe there is only One God, cuz of the signs etc. Rational thinking..

But this question has been bugging me for a while

"How do we know that there is only One God, and not, God forbid anyone from saying this, 2?"

My come back, is that, since this imaginary second "god" hasn't send down anything, he does not exist. Plus the fact that the Quran contain facts that could not have been known.

Plus, that there can be none equal to Him. And the fact that God send down Prophets AS, and the fact that this whole question arised from shaytaan / me. And the fact that truth can never occur from creation, and the purpose lies with God. Or something like that.

May Allah guide me, and make me see, and forgive me. Ameen.

@Serinity give you a perspective.....

As is known, Abraham pbuh is the father of religion. It was the descendants of his first son, Ismail pbuh that resulted with Muhammad saw. Nabi Ibrahim prayed that his descendants were given the prophet hood. His wish was granted. All subsequent prophets were from his seeds, as it were.

They were meant to be the priestly nation. The were being trained for their ultimate role. To be the lead nation orchestrating Allah's decree for us on earth when the lesson is complete.

But, they got distracted, they changed those lessons and re wrote the Book. The basic essence were remembered. "Do unto others what you expect others to do unto you". Of course, no riba.

They repeatedly ignored many subsequent reminders sent and tried again with Jesus, pbuh who despite his image as peaceful and kind, he was actually opposite with the rabbis. He lashed out at them, called them sons of the devil! He was not pleased with them at all. But the essence of the message was remembered. To forgive. And of course again, no riba.

The final message are the rules to community living. With the basic lessons that should have been already implanted into the priestly nation, the execution of the final message into a system of riba free community built on charity and having faith in Allah's provisions.

But that nation digressed. They plotted to use their influence for worldly gains. The nation to spread the good news has hooked every Nation through their riba infested financial practice. Furthermore, the enforcement of their man made laws, not the laws of Allah, serves further to sever the tie to religious commitments.

There was such an initial bombardment of questions almost as if at a void that it's difficult to keep a sound train of thought, but let's try

Firstly, the message was revealed to the final messenger pbuh and clear signs were granted, logical arguments were provided, many slowly began to accept the call, and after the initial incredulity of those in leadership positions, a blind hatred began to surface, Allah did indeed tell His messenger to continue to proclaim the message peacefully and Allah does indeed know the unseen, therefore a rational understanding can be that Allah was allowing things to progress quite naturally without too much interference on His part depite the open injustices that had become prevalent, such as murdering of babies, usurping the rights and property of the orphans and the weak, and a regressive decadence beneath the surface , plus much more.

When Allah was commanding His messenger and the believers to restrain themselves despite the injustice (the martyrdom (murder) of sumayyah (ra) is a perfect example since she was murdered for her testimony that there is no god but God, she wasn't a "militant" and neither were the rest of the believers), He was firstly proving the word against the unbelievers, and also creating a supressed will to respond within the steadily increasing community of believers and also ensuring that the first phase was focused on persevering and patiently rationalizing the status quo within their minds, it was an internal building up phase, and not a contradiction. The fact that some of their children from amongst the nobility of Quraish also migrated to Abissinya (along with the poor and weak) due to the persecution is a statement in itself since it indicates that the persecution was psychological as well as physical, since the daughter of Abu Sufyaan, Ja'far ibn Abi Taalib, 'Uthmaan ibn 'Affaan etc had tribal protection from physical abuse in Makkah. Also the fact that they were pursued to Abissinya and arrested and brought before An-Najaashi after his courtiers had been bribed and he had been presented with "gifts", proved a point to those who cared and/or care to observe. The families from among the nobility and the poor of Quraish which was known for it's ascendancy, freedom to practice one's chosen faith in Makkah, and generous hospitality to visitors were leaving due to fear of injustice, oppression and "islamophobia" and were still being harassed. (Does that still happen i wonder, i mean who would leave Britain to which all people of the world want to come - and immigrate to poor dusty Syria? And why?)

Anyway, by the time they arrived in Al-Madeenah, they already knew that they had their work cut out for them and that they needed to establish governance in order for the community to live in peace as Muslims (submitted to Allah) and to have their differences settled in accordance with the law of Allah (judiciary), this also was a stage in a long train of events, they did indeed establish governance and made mutual treaties with surrounding tribes and people from other walks of life, the Quraysh continued their persecution of those who remained behind or continued to accept Islam in Makkah and confiscated the properties of the weaker families of those who had migrated to Al-Madeenah, this opened up the opportunity of the Prophet pbuh to lie in wait for their caravans en-route to the trading venues of summer and winter to the north and south, make Quraysh reflect upon and regret their injustice, and enrich the Islamic state in the process.
By this time the Kafir leadership in Makkah was reaping the fruits of it's injustice, the Islamic state was steadily progressing and making alliances with surrounding tribes and was now known as a force to be reckoned with and not as a bunch of eccentric foolish hippies self-exiled to a commune, or as a bunch of rabble that could be trampled at will.

The previously prestigious leadership of Maakah was feeling humiliated and was also economically declining and that humiliation was cemented at their defeat at Badr, they avenged at Uhud, but then failed to realise the destruction of the Islamic state at Al-Khandaq when they gathered a mercenary coalition and made the Muslims famous throughout Arabia and the lands surrounding the peninsula. The jealousy and betrayal of theJews also became manifest and the nature of alliances also changed and became more way of life based.
the Prophet pbuh was around this time commanded to fight against surrounding tribes if they gave nothing more than an assurance to withold their hands from the believers, (with us or with the unbelievers), by the end, after the incessant betrayals and plots, the only ones that could be considered allowed to reside with Muslims safely were people who adhered to the books previously revealed, and after they paid the jizya in humility (this worked as protection and also made them more conducive to submitting to God completely and enjoying status with the believers in this world and in eternity).
The Prophet pbuh was by now commanded to fight pagans around him and to show harshness, so they knew well that there was no friendship between faith and infidelity and no safety until they submitted to God or moved far away from the believers.
When a mushriq who had refused to submit to God saw a believer, he either submitted before the Muslim was enriched, or ran for his life, or ws captured and ransomed, or was sent to meet his Lord.

So you can see that all this was happening in steady progress and while giving everyone the chance to observe and think deeply, and so nobody had a dispute against Allah, nor did the believers feel forced or pressured by Allah to get up and set things right. It was natural and just - unlike the false flag of 9/11 and succeeding manufactured pretexts and fake excuses to invade other people's lands in injustice and transgression.

It is kufr to resist an invasion of one's land if the reason for invasion is to establish the laws of God as enshrined in Quran and Sunnah, but it is lawful and sometimes a duty to resist if such an invasion is for the sake of kufr of Allah and greed. America lost it's dispute against Allah when it unlawfully invaded Iraq and called those who fought against such falsehood, injustice and oppression "insurgents" and called those who stood up in the west and called them liars "etremist sympathisers".

Think, it's not a contradiction by Allah but a presentation and a progressive upliftment of humanity.
Regarding friendship, you will not find people who believe in God and the last day loving those who commit infidelity to God, vibes wear off, al mar-u ma'a man ahab.
You will be with those whom you love.
But then there is productive friendship out of goodwill and a desire to do good, that's when you save them from hellfire and make them brothers and sisters in faith, but such is not achieved by concealing the guidance of Allah and feeling ashamed at His wisdom and guidance, just for the selfish natural tendency in-built in humans to be liked.

Wisdom and discretion is required whilst seeking the good pleasure of Allah in every situation so one needs to evaluate to the best of one's ability whilst ensuring that they are not angering Allah.
Those verses which were abrogated or superceded for the Islamic State are not all abrogrogated for everyone in every situation, because we find ourselves in many of those situations at different times and places.
Think.