Why is there a punishment for leaving Islam? Shouldn't everyone be free to choose their religion? And no, don't tell me what can be worse than a person leaving Islam. I just see the punishment as unnecessary and makes Islam look like a religion controlled by fear.
What about born muslims? I would probs than let my offspring (if I ever have any) be born as agnostics and they can choose when they grow up.
mind your own life brother. If someone doesn't die as a believer he'll go into hell.May Allah swt keep all Muslims steadfast on deen and give hidaya to all. Ameen
I just see the punishment as unnecessary and makes Islam look like a religion controlled by fear.
What islam looks like will always be what islam will look like because that the way some people want islam to look like and they can influence the media... So, I know I am on to a good thing (with regards to accountability and the basic I reap I what I sow (good and bad)) in my deen, and does not matter really what the next person thinks.
The point is very simple, if you believe, you have the passport to heaven and if you do not, you don't. That is the punishment. If you pretend to believe and do all the rituals with the community, but in fact you do not, the answer is still the same, no passport.
The issue is can we submit or are we haughty? To deny Allah is being haughty. Once you have read, understood, and then using peripheral arguments to deny the truth then there is a problem. When the proof is there and we know it, but question rulings that has been explicit in the Quran on grounds of (whatever) like marriage etc really is like being insolent. Hence, the reaction of people and their extreme action. For true muslims, who believe in Allah The All Mighty, it makes us wonder how a fellow muslim can even think of leaving the deen? It is almost impossible. How can anyone be so terribly misinformed to actually walk away from the truth into misguidance? How can one purchase such error?
It is almost like having to 'beat some sense into them'... It makes sense why there is thought for punishment for apostasy. But at the end of the day, there is no compulsion in religion, and you answer your Maker. I suppose, people will turn a blind eye to others leaving the deen but would most likely will take offense if those people who had left start actively campaigning against Islam.
mind your own life brother. If someone doesn't die as a believer he'll go into hell.May Allah swt keep all Muslims steadfast on deen and give hidaya to all. Ameen
I wouldn't influence or make them practise any religion. Making them search for themselves if they want to.
That´s easier to say than make it works. Children should then live in the culture where nobody practice any religion. Neither be even an atheist - or agnostic. But for adults whose live this kind of society it would to be against their religious rights.
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Why is there a punishment for leaving Islam? Shouldn't everyone be free to choose their religion? And no, don't tell me what can be worse than a person leaving Islam. I just see the punishment as unnecessary and makes Islam look like a religion controlled by fear.
The Prophet pbuh never punished anyone for apostating due to lack of conviction.
The apostacy law only applies when someone enters Islam and then leaves it to defame it - it's an offence of treason and punishable by death... not just in Islam, but in every country in the world.
The Prophet pbuh never punished anyone for apostating due to lack of conviction.
The apostacy law only applies when someone enters Islam and then leaves it to defame it - it's an offence of treason and punishable by death... not just in Islam, but in every country in the world.
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Is this an opinion accepted by Islamic scholars (not modern-moderate)?
I wouldn't influence or make them practise any religion. Making them search for themselves if they want to.
Coming from your point of view I can understand. I suppose....
Some years ago I read an article (I have not as yet verified it but I believe in it because it makes a lot of sense) that on the day of judgment, when we see the fire of hell and hear the roar of its fire we will be blaming everyone we know who know the deen and did not 'remind' us of our errors. We will blame our parents, friends etc and put the blame squarely on their shoulders for not making sure that we were on the right path.
I tell my children. It matters not to me whether they like hearing it or not. I tell them again, and ask them if they would point the finger at me then? It is easy to deny things now that they do not see, but what about when we are all out before Allah?
They paused and considered my message. But being young kids, they will have the youthful rebelliousness but hopefully they will get the hormones under control as they grow up and mature.
Can you explain to me how the Indian tribesman living in the remote Amazon rain forest who has never had any contact with the outside world or any concept or knowledge of Islam deserves to go to hell for eternity ?
In this thread it was stated that all non Muslims will go to hell,
Can you explain to me how the Indian tribesman living in the remote Amazon rain forest who has never had any contact with the outside world or any concept or knowledge of Islam deserves to go to hell for eternity ?
this isnt the case at all
if a person doesnt recieve the message of islam they will be tested instead on the day of judgement
so your indian tribesman will be tested in the hereafter and if he passes he will go to paradise inshaallah
that being said you Milton will not be asked on the day of judgement about that indian tribesman. the message has reached you and you will be judged based on your response to it
worry about yourself first before worrying about amazonians lost in the jungle
How has the message reached me ? I have never seen or heard anything that leads me to believe in Islam. I live a happy, relaxed and good life, when I do good for others its because I choose to, not to gain points for the next life, I get my rewards in this life, its a beautiful day today, and the snowdrops and daffodils are coming up, in my garden. I will take this life thanks, and you can have worry about the next.
our job is muslims is not to make you believe, our job is to convey the message of islam so that's what im going to do. if you accept this and die upon islam inshaallah you will be granted paradise, if you reject then you are risking a great torment
islam is to believe that the creator alone is worthy of worship and that muhammed sallaho alayhi wa sallam is his slave and messenger we are also obligated to believe in Allah's books (the old and new testament, book of psalms and the quran however due to the previous books getting corrupted with additions/subtractions only the quran is in the form it was revealed) his angels, his messengers (including jesus and moses alayhis salam). the last day (that makind will be raised up and judged by the lord of all that exists with the righteous believers going to paradise and the disbelievers going to hellfire) and in divine decree that everything that occurs was destined by Allah
basically the message of islam in a nutshell is to worship the creator not the creation
i also recomend having a look at this site www.islamreligion.com alhamdulilah they have a lot of good articles about islam inshaallah you will find it beneficial
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