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    4 Questions: story of Musa AS; Muhammad SAWS stopped from Haj; Muslims denied water

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    I've heard this story and when I searched for it on Google, I found the story but couldn't find any citation from Quran and Hadith, so am confused about the authenticity of it. Kindly confirm/refute the authenticity of this story.

    This is the story, I'm quoting the Google search result:

    The ‘Dua’ [Prayer] changes the fate:

    The ‘Dua’ [Prayer] changes the fate - as the constitution amended:

    Here is a true story during the time of Prophet Musa [meaning Drawn out of water] also known as Prophet Moses in the Old Testament, who used to communicate with Almighty Allah directly, at the place known as Koh-e-Toor Mountain in Egypt.

    There was a very rich lady in Musa’s Town in Egypt but she had no kids. Once she visited to Prophet Musa and requested that since he (Musa) often visits Koh-e-Toor and consult with Allah on various issues, she requested Musa, “please ask Allah, will I be able to give birth to a baby in my life”?

    Musa promised the distress lady that he will convey her request to Allah in his next meeting. Thus, when Musa visited Koh-e-Toor, he submitted the request of the lady to Allah. The answer that he received from Allah was “She is barren; she will never deliver a baby in her life”.

    When Musa returned back to the town, he politely conveyed the message of the Almighty Allah to the lady. She was alleviated and spent her money to the deserving people [as she thought for whom she would save her money].

    Once in a hot summer, the lady had a nap and somebody knocked at her door. Reluctantly, she awakens and opened the door. There was a Darvesh who told her that he has not eaten for the last couple of days and very hungry. She called him inside the home and asked him to wait for some time, as there was no food ready at that time.

    Meanwhile, she quickly prepared the meal and presented it to the Darvesh, who was very hungry, enjoyed the delicious food. When he finished his meal, he thanked the lady and said: “Honorable lady, the food was very delicious and I enjoyed it. Now it’s time for “Dua” (prayer), raise your hands and join me and ask Allah to fulfill any of your desire. She smiled and replied she had all the blessing of God and does not need anything. The Darvesh insisted her and she joined the "Dua” and once again prayed for a baby. The Darvesh left.

    After sometimes a cute baby was born to the lady. The happy lady took the baby to Prophet Musa and complained: “Oh Musa, look at this baby, it’s my own baby. While you said that Allah has declared me as ‘barren’ and I would never conceive a baby. Now I feel either you are a liar or your Allah [God Forbid].”

    Musa was very much disturbed and embarrassed. He promised to the lady to convey her grievance to Almighty Allah. Next day, Musa visited Koh-e-Toor and conveyed the Lady’s complaint to Allah and requested the answer to console the lady.

    Allah said: Oh! Musa, Certainly, I will. First I need some human’s meat, bring it to me as soon as possible”

    The disappointed Musa returned back with a heavy heart to town and informed every inhabitant that Allah needs Human’s meat. The people start laughing and said: Musa, are you crazy, Allah always asked for animal’s meat, He never asked human’s meat.”

    Musa got frustrated, it was already getting dark. As Musa was passing by the River Nile , he noticed a poor guy sitting at the bank of the River and playing with the water. Musa thought for the his last efforts and informed him that Allah needs some human meat. The guy smiled and asked: Do you have a knife Sir? Musa was very excited to hear and said: “Sure”.

    The old man took the knife and put it on his body and asked Musa: “Which part of body’s Allah likes to have? Musa said: “Well, I don’t have any idea.”

    The person said: No problem, I would cut few pieces from my and Allah may choose by Himself, which one he likes.” He cuts a large number of pieces of his body and handed over to the Prophet. Musa was very happy to achieve his goal and ran towards Koh-e-Toor and shout: Oh Allah, look, I have got the human meat for you”.

    Allah replied: Oh, Musa, What are you talking . You were also the “human being” “First” and than a “Prophet”. You may have offered me your own meat.”

    Thus, how can I turned down a “request” made by such a Darvesh , who loves me more than himself has. - So I change the Taqdeer [Fate] of that lady, who so eagerly joined the Darvesh to fulfill her desire for a baby.”

    Conclusion: A sincere prayer (Dua) made by a real human being, and for a good cause, always accepted by the Almighty Allah and can change the entire Fate of a person.
    I searched the Quran and Sunnah website using different string, but couldn't find this. Is this a 'true' story?! Can someone kindly provide a citation for it?! The reason I find this story as strange is because,
    1) Didn't Allah know(?) that such a Darvesh will come later on and she won't be barren her entire life?!
    2) The self mutilation and a demand for human meat(!) made by Allah?! (Isn't self-harm prohibited in Islam?)

    Can someone kindly confirm / refute this story, if possible then with the citations?


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    Another Question I have is I heard somewhere and tried Googling, but didn't find anything!

    The story is that Prophet Muhammad after coming from Hijra decided to make Haj along with some of the Sahaabas, but he was denied entry outside Mecca since he didn't take prior permission or inform about his visit first. His Sahaabas wanted to fight them and make the Haj, but Prophet Muhammad said that he will return again next year (now priory informing about his visit). When he came again next year, again he was stopped outside (cant remember outside Mecca or outside the Kaaba area?) and was asked to seek permission from the Meccan ruler. Prophet Muhammad asked someone to write a letter and signed it off as "Muhammad Rasool Allah" and the ruler sent it back, that I don't accept you as "Rasool Allah" so he changed it to "Muhammad ibn Abdullah"

    Is this true?! Can someone kindly provide a citation from the Quran / Hadith or other reliable literature if possible?!



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    Also, was there a time where Muslims (Along with Prophet or just the sahaabaas were denied entry near the water body (don't know waterhole, lake, river?)


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    Can a dua change the Lauh e Mehfooz?!

    Wasn't Prophet Ibrahim stopped by Archangel Jibreel from making dua for Prophet Loot ummah the third time, with Jibreel saying that now the destruction of that ummah is now unavoidable, as Allah has now set it in Lauh e Mehfooz. So aren't even Prophets stopped from making dua against the decree of Lauh e Mehfooz, and if somebody still does make a dua against such a decree, wouldn't it be unchanged?!

    As I see it, Allah keeps several options where Angels are appointed at several 'options' as to what a person might do. If he chooses X way, the Angel at X will do what he was appointed to do, if he chooses Y option, then Angel Y, a dua can make the person choose the better option, but what he will eventually choose is set in Lauh e Mehfooz, which cannot be change?!

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    Thank you everyone for your help. I sincerely appreciate it. May Allah reward you for your help.

    Jazzaque Allah.

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    Re: 4 Questions: story of Musa AS; Muhammad SAWS stopped from Haj; Muslims denied wat

    You ask too many questions at a time. Some for some will need some research..

    Might be sometime before anyone respnds..


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    Re: 4 Questions: story of Musa AS; Muhammad SAWS stopped from Haj; Muslims denied wat

    Quote Originally Posted by greenhill View Post
    You ask too many questions at a time. Some for some will need some research..

    Might be sometime before anyone respnds..


    Yeah, so many questions, and I was expecting some of them would be answered in these many days.

    People, kindly help! Even if you don't have a 'daleel' (citation) but know of the issue, then kindly reply!

    May Allah reward those who guide me. I will appreciate it.

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    Re: 4 Questions: story of Musa AS; Muhammad SAWS stopped from Haj; Muslims denied wat

    On your first one about prophet Musa pbuh. I have not heard that narration before. From the way of the story, I am not sure of its authenticity. First being that Allah advised him something very different and second that Allah wanted human sacrifice. (Although Allah demanded nabi Ibrahim pbuh to sacrifice Ishmael, we got to remember the dua by nabi Ibrahim pbuh on wanting a child and his covenant with Allah. Hence the request for the sacrifice is under a somewhat different context.

    On the dua we make that goes against Allah's Will.... well, if Allah is All Knowing, we should not make wishes against His Will anyway.. right?


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