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    Help! Very Confused About the Islamic Ruling On Cannabis & Psychedelic Use! (OP)


    Asalamualikum everyone, I am in need for some guidance and help on a topic which has thoroughly confused me. Before I go any further, here is some background about me: although I do not practice Islam in my everyday life as much as I like, I am a Muslim and so is everyone in my family. I am currently 20 years old and a student in University of Toronto, Canada.

    Now that I have gotten that out of the way, here is my question and argument. I have been using Cannabis for quite some time now and also started using psychedelics in the last few of months - in specific "psilocybin mushrooms", "lysergic acid diethylamide 25 (LSD-25)". Both psilocybin mushrooms (shrooms) and LSD are psychedelic or hallucinogenic substances. I am also trying to obtain “Dimethyltryptamine (DMT)” which is the most powerful psychedelic chemical known to man because my views on psychedelics and cannabis do not align with Islamic teachings and thus I am looking for answers and want to argue my case to someone with enough knowledge to help me.
    Currently my religious half and my logical/scientific half are in great conflict with each other and it is causing me too much discomfort and dissatisfaction with life in general. According to Islam, my lifestyle of this substance use is Haram and will lead to punishment in this world and the hereafter. But as a person, I am not simply strong enough to believe and practice something without it actually making sense. As a result I am stuck between what people called “The devil and the deep blue sea”. So, is anyone here knowledgeable enough on the topic to help me? When I mean help, I mean to talk to me and debate with me on this topic to come to a conclusion?

    I’d like to thank everyone in advance - Thankyou and Asalamualikum.
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    Re: Help! Very Confused About the Islamic Ruling On Cannabis & Psychedelic Use!

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    Sorry beleiver, I think I have misunderstood you. I thought you came here to learn more about Islam but seems that your only purpose is promote drugs.

    From the Quran you only try to find excuses why using drugs like cannabis would to be ok but you refuse to listen when we show you evidences that it is haram (forbidden) in Islam.

    On that basis, I believe that the continuation of this kind of conversation is no longer necessary.
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    Re: Help! Very Confused About the Islamic Ruling On Cannabis & Psychedelic Use!

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    you know how i get sometimes.

    maybe should post that pic again.


    ok maybe just a small edit..

    you talk about punishment..and the truth..

    i talk about respite.

    if you dont mind being punishment in other peoples lives then go right ahead.

    i cant live that way anymore.. i have a long memory..

    if you turn up lead lined..

    i guess i have no choice but to follow.


    you know how kryptonite be like.

    loosely paraphrased..

    and the jews say heaven is only for them.

    say to them, if you believe then long for death.

    but they will not because they know what there own hands have sent forth.


    maybe totally out of context..

    but its better than citing moses AS asking them to kill themselves and then then being ressurected.

    maybe i shouldnt follow? but there's that damn paradox again.
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    Re: Help! Very Confused About the Islamic Ruling On Cannabis & Psychedelic Use!

    Quote Originally Posted by sister herb View Post
    Sorry beleiver, I think I have misunderstood you. I thought you came here to learn more about Islam but seems that your only purpose is promote drugs.

    From the Quran you only try to find excuses why using drugs like cannabis would to be ok but you refuse to listen when we show you evidences that it is haram (forbidden) in Islam.

    On that basis, I believe that the continuation of this kind of conversation is no longer necessary.
    Why? i am genuinely very confused, i am not a Muslim and fairy recently read the Quran and found like i have been told by practicing Muslims that cannabis is an unresolved issue by Muslims that dont even take any drugs..
    I dont mean to promote 'Drugs' but define the difference between toxic drugs that cover the mind and those that dont and are non toxic, while agreeing that keeping the mind and body pure is best way, so is being closer to God, I just find punishing someone that does no harm to anyone else is unjust and goes against the teachings of Islam as i understand them especially when they do no proven harm to even them selves...This is the root of my confusion.
    My understanding of Islam is there is no central authority to make such decisions?

    Sorry but the evidences i have seen on this thread do not convince me there are grounds, they are not entirely based in truth..For example, did you read about the endocannabanoid system? How is it not a fair enough argument that Cannabis is not Toxic?
    How is a natural medicine bad?

    I did genuinely come here to learn, and i am confused about a number of subjects, if what i am saying here is upsetting, so too may other questions i have, then may be i should waste no more time here?

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    Re: Help! Very Confused About the Islamic Ruling On Cannabis & Psychedelic Use!

    Quote Originally Posted by beleiver View Post
    Why? i am genuinely very confused, i am not a Muslim and fairy recently read the Quran and found like i have been told by practicing Muslims that cannabis is an unresolved issue by Muslims that dont even take any drugs..
    Yet you come to a proper Muslim forum with students of Islamic knowledge on it and they tell you it is haraam and you choose to ignore that advice?

    Quote Originally Posted by beleiver View Post
    I dont mean to promote 'Drugs' but define the difference between toxic drugs that cover the mind and those that dont and are non toxic, while agreeing that keeping the mind and body pure is best way, so is being closer to God, I just find punishing someone that does no harm to anyone else is unjust and goes against the teachings of Islam as i understand them especially when they do no proven harm to even them selves...This is the root of my confusion.
    My understanding of Islam is there is no central authority to make such decisions?
    Wrong. The matter is clear - it is haraam.

    If you lit a joint and placed a test tube upside down over it, and collected the smoke - it will turn to tar. Same happens with a cigarette. Tar kills. It is toxic in the western sense.

    In the Islamic sense - toxicity means that which 1) injures yourself, or those around you and 2) something which takes you out of your natural state of being.

    Cannabis does both - so it's doubly haraam.

    This is from the ijma - concensus of scholars.

    So please do not say "there is no central authority in Islam to make such decisions?" - as I have now mentioned, there is!

    Quote Originally Posted by beleiver View Post
    Sorry but the evidences i have seen on this thread do not convince me there are grounds, they are not entirely based in truth..For example, did you read about the endocannabanoid system? How is it not a fair enough argument that Cannabis is not Toxic?
    How is a natural medicine bad?
    Since you keep ignoring my posts - it shows how much you actually do not want to learn - yet here you are trying to teach me about cannabinoids.

    I can tell you right now, cannabis cures nothing - it is not a cure - it is a treatment for pain relief. And even then, strain dependant - and even then - can do long term harm to your body due to the way it was grown (ie: hydropnic uses chemical feeds which need to be leeched from the plants in the last two weeks of their life - something growers do not do because it means thy have to grow for another two weeks which costs them more money) and that is something you have no idea about - simply because you do not know where the cannabis is sourced from.

    You trying to teach about cannabinoids is funny. Honestly. Because you do not understand the science. I do. And you have gone with the dummed down version which the weed junkies talk about online... I went with the botanist definitions, from the horticultural sphere, and that's where I learnt my haraam art a few decades ago.

    Quote Originally Posted by beleiver View Post
    I did genuinely come here to learn, and i am confused about a number of subjects, if what i am saying here is upsetting, so too may other questions i have, then may be i should waste no more time here?
    Maybe you can answer my posts in this thread - the very same you kept dodging before you go, so I can feel satisified that you left with the proper knowledge coming from both, Islam - and from the experience of growing and consuming cannabis in many ways in my yester-life.

    After that - you can get on your space ship with r2d2 and fly to the sun if you want

    Scimi
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    Re: Help! Very Confused About the Islamic Ruling On Cannabis & Psychedelic Use!

    Quote Originally Posted by beleiver View Post
    I dont understand why a perfectly natural virtually non toxic plant God gave us is not permissible, do you take anything for your pain? is all medicine and pain killer haram?

    Isnt God perfect? and doesnt it say for every ailment, God gave us a natural cure?
    I have a friend he is getting 95%+ marks..one of his friends said he use it...i was amazed to see that.But you know this was haux.A muslim dont need to consume cannabis..if he trust in Allah he dont need cannabis ..my father got deppression ...he consumes Dopamine....Dopamine is the medicine for deppression.....he doesnt even care of praying salah...he sleeps a lot...he eats a lot...he dont care of his own....always in a peaceful mind...he talks or invove in activities less...btw he does have a 'courage' to do anything sometimes and it makes me afraid.
    .Look Allah swt knows how many haraam and halaal we took...look at your intention...soon when you took those drugs you will change,.then you may go away from truth...you will forget salah...etc..
    for Allah swt knows the best for humanbeings...so there are foods betterthan cannabis in the hereafter world.I believe that.


    Cannabis practically causes destuction of one self...you are telling me science? i dont care of science...if i wish i could make a discovery too from Quran and hadith...Allah swt looks at our hearts.



    brother A good wife is better than your cannabis..it gives open mind and it realise us of Allah

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    Re: Help! Very Confused About the Islamic Ruling On Cannabis & Psychedelic Use!

    Scimitar..
    You raise some valid points i would dearly like to answer, you seem an interesting guy and seem to have some knowledge on this subject.
    I have four young children , grow our own veg and keep chickens and have my time consumed by daily chores....So please be patient, also i my primary intent here is to learn prayer, i have much reading to do in the littletime i have.

    Before i make a lengthy reply can someone tell me how to edit my posts, i have problems with my keyboard and writing here as the cursor keeps deleting words so making my points unclear, which i cant edit , which does indeed make me look a stoned idiot...Idiot may be but i havnt been stoned in quite a while.
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    Re: Help! Very Confused About the Islamic Ruling On Cannabis & Psychedelic Use!

    in sha Allah I will try to exercise patience.

    You will be able to edit posts once you've made 25 posts - the forum priveleges will open up in sha Allah.

    Scimi
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    Re: Help! Very Confused About the Islamic Ruling On Cannabis & Psychedelic Use!

    Quote Originally Posted by beleiver View Post
    Scimitar..
    You raise some valid points i would dearly like to answer, you seem an interesting guy and seem to have some knowledge on this subject.
    I have four young children , grow our own veg and keep chickens and have my time consumed by daily chores....So please be patient, also i my primary intent here is to learn prayer, i have much reading to do in the littletime i have.

    Before i make a lengthy reply can someone tell me how to edit my posts, i have problems with my keyboard and writing here as the cursor keeps deleting words so making my points unclear, which i cant edit , which does indeed make me look a stoned idiot...Idiot may be but i havnt been stoned in quite a while.

    Sounds like you have it made,

    im sure god wont be too displeased with you until someome turns up claiming he is.

    strange days.

    maybe you could be a closet muslim, far from perfect.. who would know?

    how are the neighbours doing? o_0

    borrowing a cup of sugar today and the plantation workers tomorrow.


    "
    God is the truth and the punisher? can you really say what the truth is with no proof? can you really punish another with no truth?
    "

    ...thats a hell of a tell.

    maybe there is no point pretending to be a thing.
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    Re: Help! Very Confused About the Islamic Ruling On Cannabis & Psychedelic Use!

    The most astonishing thing to me (a 50 year old American who identifies best as being a Deist) is that I'm more opposed to marijuana use than some posters who identify as Muslim.
    Wowsers.
    I'm familiar with it....its although it's been 20+ years. Quite familiar. And other things that "expand the mind".
    All religious texts and interpretations aside ...from whatever source....it's not good. I'm not going to respond to the: "It's less harmful than alcohol!" stance, either. Although that may, indeed, be true.
    I have to agree that it's difficult the comprehend why Our Creator would create these things; however, anything that has the capacity to lead to a situation that one would regret or be embarrassed about needs to be backed away from.
    It's like I tell my teenage son: "The Potential for something to go wrong while you (or others) are under the influence of X,Y, or Z is worthy of the wisdom of avoiding it altogether".
    Isn't that Godly enough to do the right thing?
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    Re: Help! Very Confused About the Islamic Ruling On Cannabis & Psychedelic Use!

    I am not from a Muslim family, raised by atheists, found God the hard way..How about you, Scimitar? Did you grow and smoke weed as a Muslim from a Muslim family or did you convert after being a stoner?


    Quote Originally Posted by Scimitar View Post
    What Muslim nations?

    Afghanistan? Pakistan? Those two failed nations? Where else? Egypt? Another failed nation? Where else ???? please do tell me.

    As for your Muslim friends telling you its ok to smoke it - duh - idiot - if they smoke it so of course they will say its ok.
    I really wanted to say predominantly Muslim nations but couldn't edit my posts..I have smoked with Muslims in Morocco, Egypt, India/Kashmir, Thailand (on a predominantly Muslim island)..Not all the Muslims i knew were smokers, but cant recall one problem (other than with police) where it was a problem, they ALL said it was between the person smoking it and God, some said it wasnt Haram others said it was but had no problem with me or their friends smoking it..But i am sure there are many that would..Funnily enough the guy who introduced me to Islam said it was Haram , but was an ex stoner but lived among stoners, though he was one of the purist people i ever met..

    I have met and know many a traveler who visited Afghanistan and Pakistan in the 60S possibly early 70s seemed like very warm, tolerant hospitable people as one would expect from a Muslim Nation..They do sound like failed states now.. What went wrong?

    So what is a true Muslim Nation in your world?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scimitar View Post
    Is this what drugs are doing to your brain? making it push putty? You don't even know what you are talking about now.



    Oh you done it now.

    Cannabis cures nothing.

    Find me a cannabis which cures any disease - you cannot.

    Go on.

    I bring to my table - nigella sativa, (the black seed from hadeeth) the oil of which is beneficial and so are the seeds - studies have shown that of the 200 or so compound elements present within Nigella Sativa - only around 48 are known to the scientific and medical establishments and all are beneficial to humans, in many diverse ways - as cures, not treatments - CURES to diseases.

    The other 150 odd compound elements they found present within Nigella Sativa remain unnamed but all tested positively on human beings and further studies are underway in many medical universities where research like this goes on.

    Let's contrast to Cannabis... which form are you talking of? Indica? Sativa? Ruderalis? Hybrid GMO?

    To put this into perspective for your brain to digest - none of these are actually medicinal. They do not CURE any illness - they provide pain relief, and the proper method for pain relief via cannabis is through ingestion. Not smoking it.

    And even then, the results are hit n miss.

    Ever seen a pain sufferer on cannabis? They are stoned and cannot actually function normally - such as drive a car. As that would be illegal.

    Cannabis provides no cure to any disease so your argument is false.

    I know all about cannabis. Astagfirullah - I grew it for many years and grew the best this country has seen, even got noticed by Arjan and Franco from GHsCO in Amsterdam back in my hey day for it, mety Jorge Cervantes, the man who made skunk a think in the 70's - heck I attended cannabis cups in spain and in the dam - and to top it all off - I used to write for weed world and used to be a moderator for ICMAG forum.


    Once again - cannabis cures NOTHING.

    Scimi

    EDIT: Rick Simpson lied about RSO.
    Nigella sativa, Is that other wise known as Cummin? If so I am well aware of it, i have been using herbal medicine and cooking with herbs for health benefits for a long long time..We are blessed to have Irelands top herbalist down the road, a trained practicing doctor that didnt like the practices and effects of modern medicine and went to India to study Ayurvedic Medicine, when asked he told me Cannabis(i assume Indica) is the most mentioned plant in the ancient texts..Our children have never met their doctors..thank God.
    I never did state that Cannabis cures anything, but to make out it has no medicinal, health or therapeutic benefit other than a pain killer is just plain wrong, and i am sure you know it?
    Only really in the last decade have impartial scientific studies been allowed to be conducted, the results are stunning..
    Have you taken note of the recent studies?
    Have you read about the endo-cannabanoid system, how it works? How so is Cannabis toxic, seems the opposite to a toxin, no?
    Since you have quit weed have you kept up on the scientific discoveries?
    I have seen people with serious illness live relatively normal happy lives and they smoke it which doesnt give the medicinal effect, there are more and more cases every day as the benefits become known, i actually know people that tried Rick Simpsons oil , though they were not cured they far out lived what the doctors said they would..I am reading about cases like this for all kinds of illness every day..
    You say they are relieved from the pain but cant function, thats incorrect from my observations and most reports i have read..
    You mention driving when stoned, there is zero evidence it impairs driving abilities, nor coordination, balance and basic judgement of speed distance and such..
    I drive or have driven when i was a stoner well over average kind of mileage, high speed motorcycles, large trucks, cars..on road off road in lots of places where many people dare not drive, and if was to drive round say Cairo or any major city or crazy mountain pass again i would have a smoke again first..Also have a few circus skills, been experimenting stoned and not stoned, pretty much the same , learning new tricks can actually help when stoned..Passed all my driving tests first time stoned too..
    Have been stoned for months perhaps years then suddenly go without and my driving isnt impaired..One morning without my caffeine hit and i am dangerous on the roads all my judgement of speed, distance, concentration and coordination is faulty, that is a subtle and nasty addiction, and when one needs to take an energy boost to wake up after sleep and think its ok and normal , they need their heads looking at, imho..
    Smoking alone without most other drugs most stoners take does not in my case make me loose my abilities to function or is detrimental to my health, nor am i addicted..
    You mention tar from smoke, in my work and daily life with all the toxic particles in the air we cant see , the ones out bodies cant break down, a layer or organic tar protecting the tender tissue if our lungs might actually be good, i have read qualified experts discussing this..The oldest people to live in my family and oldest people i have known were smokers, the second oldest living human was a smoker of dope..
    But of course its probably best not to avoid smoke in the lungs whether its organic or smoke from an exhaust pipe, chimney or fire..And smoking weed isnt the best way to reap it health benefits..

    Then there is the spiritual side, Cannabis has a very very long history of been used in spirituality and religious ceremonies, in my experience if treated with certain respect it can bring an unbeleiver closer to god but at the same time if abused can let in those demons and block any contact with God, in a similar way meditation can imho..Its all about intent..and to be clear i am not meaning to promote recreational use of Cannabis , i sincerely believe constant use shuts down that connection to God and does close the mind over time, but as some one that uses it on occasions with respect i struggle to find anything sinful..Most my affirmations that attracted me to studying Islam and your prayer were when i was stoned, and they were moments i will never forget nor can anyone explain.

    I never did state Cannabis is a cure for anything, all i want is for some one to actually discuss the points i raised...I have read Muslims debate on so called truther forums for years and always admired how they keep their cool, no matter how many lies and insults hurled at them they never resorted to name calling and slander,
    I am curious why/how you went from dedicated weed head to dedicated Muslim?

    I would like to discuss how the medical profession has been hijacked by big pharmaceutical industries for profit and how there is a very possible conflict of interests where if they give us drugs that make us ill they will have more profit, and how the war on drugs is in effect a war on humanity to bolster their monopolies, and how the Quran warns against such monopolies and greed, where it says God has given us a natural remedies for every ailment, where it says God wants us to be happy, where it says not to ban good things in the same context of advising against intoxicants among other issues like how is haram treated in Islam, is the general consensus that sins against the self are between God and the self, who are this hierarchy that can dictate what is good and haram? are they not acting as partners to Allaha, must Muslims listen to scholars above what God says by listening to our hearts and open minds and seeking guidance through prayer?
    Then there is the whole Canabosem story and the repeated mention of the oil in the scriptures, and the tree of life theory?
    There are a load of lets say un orthodox subjects i would like to discuss here.
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    Re: Help! Very Confused About the Islamic Ruling On Cannabis & Psychedelic Use!

    Bro, this convo is so old and you've already claimed you don't smoke weed anymore - if you truly want to argue for the sake of arguing then cool, let's do it - but know this, you've no chance of winning.

    Make yourself a tea and sit down.

    Good lad.

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    Re: Help! Very Confused About the Islamic Ruling On Cannabis & Psychedelic Use!

    Note: There has been some offensive language on this thread, which has been edited out by a moderator. This reminder will stand, as it is a useful one.

    The Prophet (Sal Allaahu Alaiyhi wa Sallam) said:
    The inmates of Hell are of five types….” And among them he mentioned “…the miser, the liar and those who are in the habit of abusing people and using obscene and foul language.” (Muslim)


    Anas bin Malik said:
    “The Prophet (Sal Allaahu Alaiyhi wa Sallam) was not one who would abuse (others) or say obscene words, or curse (others)…” (Bukhaari)
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    Quote Originally Posted by kwyjibo View Post
    This does deserve further discussion. Do psychedelics really intoxicate? What exactly does intoxicate mean? I've been seriously considering taking psychedelics based on stumbling upon research that shows they can cure anxiety disorders and people report that SSRI drugs were very harmful, and when they resorted to psilocybin (shrooms), they were able to get over their irrational anxiety and even get over depression. The reason that the medical industry is against them is that toy can't patent them and they work better than the crappy, side effect heavy anti depressant and abs anxiety drugs that make then billions of dollars and lead the users to be dependent, whereas just a single use of a psychedelic can have lasting positive result. Google psilocybin or psychedlics and anxiety, ocd, depression ect. You'll find all the studies show in a clinical setting, they heal a host of mental health concerns. They are not perfect, and can harm those predisposed to schizophrenia, but otherwise appear safe. Whether they are truly haram is what I'm not sure about myself, and researching but not finding a clear answer.
    UPDATE. Since this thread creation, I took shrooms in large doses 4 times (progressively increasing the dosage to a 7+ gram trip). I am done with them. Did I find some benefit, perhaps, but the harm and risk of harm appears greater than the benefit. When you take a large enough dose, you do lose touch with reality as you know it, and you can end up making decisions that you would otherwise not make.

    I recommend practicing more mindfulness, which has to do with allowing yourself to experience what you experience, without allowing your thoughts to define you. Read up on this subject, there are tons of books. You can cope and be more at peace when you get a better handle on mindfulness.

    You can get some insights into life with psychedelics, but they could be shaytan's insights to mislead and confuse you. There have been people who consider their psychedelic experiences mind opening, but understand you can get there naturally. There are no shortcuts to wisdom, so just stay clean, be patient, and practice mindfulness.

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    Re: Help! Very Confused About the Islamic Ruling On Cannabis & Psychedelic Use!

    Quote Originally Posted by sister herb View Post
    I see it very alarming how some people try to find excuses how they could justify their interest to use drugs. Usual ways is claiming that drugs aren´t very toxican or harmless "because of the newest scientific researches". Then they naturally read only those researches which support their believes about those drugs. If nothing else helps them, they claim that this and that drug hasn´t mentioned in the Quran (and deny the truth that some drugs have been invented or named centuries later). I am wondering when someone claims that for example cocaine or LSD must to be halal because it´s not mentioned by name in the Quran or in the hadiths.

    Many scientific researches still show that cannabis is toxicant and very harmful to the human body. Since it can not scientifically prove that it would not be a toxic substance, we shouldn´t take a risk to poison our body or - what´s more serious - make a sin when using it, why we should take this risk? I see it´s similar matter when we think is some food halal or haram to eat. The common advice is then: don´t eat it if you aren´t 100% sure it is halal. Why with those stimulants we should to be less careful?
    I think you might have been referring to me, as I brought up scientific research. You are right, and in my latest post here, I also explained my experience with psychedelics, thinking that it's not an intoxicant because so many claim it "clears the mind" and "expands the mind." I want to say that it might give you that sense, and you can get, in fact, positive insights. But ultimately, you don't need them for these insights, and you can also be confused and taken off track by them. Not only that, when you are under the influence of psychedelics, you can't sincerely make salaat. You'll see all kinds of images morphing during salaat, which are highly distracting. So, I can't recommend them, and yet again, learned that the common advice is of erring on the side of caution is better. I really appreciate your insight.

    With respect to all this talk about cannabis, after my trip to Amsterdam, staying at a hostel, spending a day with hardcore stoners, it's obvious why this stuff is haram (even though I didn't part-take). You lose motivation to do anything but sit around, and get high. We were not built to need intoxicants, and its really very simple. The quran tells us that there is some benefit but greater harm. We just need to accept this rather than test this concept out. I regret my psychedelic use somewhat, but thankfully, I didn't get stuck in the trap of thinking it's my path to enlightenment and peace. It's not. Practicing mindfulness and pushing yourself outside your comfort zone to improve yourself and to do good is what we should be doing.
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    Re: Help! Very Confused About the Islamic Ruling On Cannabis & Psychedelic Use!

    I made a video on my experience, and explain why it was a mistake to take shrooms, and I will never take them again.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBi0efgvFls

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    Re: Help! Very Confused About the Islamic Ruling On Cannabis & Psychedelic Use!

    From both a religious and scientific perspective, you should avoid things that may mess with your brain. From a scientific perspective, there is still debate and controversy over how bad marijuana and psychedelics actually are. From personal experience, I have actually seen quite a few people have "bad trips" using these drugs and requiring hospitalization for many days as a result. (Do not ask me to elaborate because I cannot on a public forum). People who use drugs continuously to trigger their "rewards system" end up developing a dependence on these drugs and feel chronically depressed and amotivated when not using. The other big problem with the marijuana available nowadays is that it often contains a much higher level of THC than what was available during the "Flower Power" days, and people are now smoking record-high levels of it as the prices have dropped drastically (it's no longer a little joint here and there... it's several grams daily). A lot of the research on marijuana was also carried out at the time when the amount of THC was considerably lower, so these studies likely underestimated the potential deleterious effects of this substance. It seems that smoking marijuana is particularly bad for teenagers because the brain is still developing until the mid-20's. After the mid-20's, there is considerably less risk for the bad effects of marijuana on the brain. If you have a predisposition to psychotic disorders (being paranoid, for instance) or if you are at a higher baseline risk (example: have family members with schizophrenia), then you should avoid these drugs at all cost.

    Here is a good article to read on marijuana: https://www.livescience.com/46114-ma...h-effects.html

    So as you can see, there are many good reasons to steer clear of this junk.
    Last edited by fromelsewhere; 08-14-2017 at 12:45 AM.

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    Re: Help! Very Confused About the Islamic Ruling On Cannabis & Psychedelic Use!

    My friend salam,
    You have no any phisical problems or it is not your medicine and it is a drug not an allowed thing even from country laws. So ,according to islamic law do not use it.
    If you are using it as a medicine you should try to find a subtitute. But if it is an essential medicine only,and if you cannot find a substitute for your medicine then you can use it.


    So,now you are young and healthy no issues with health and no need of using it. According to hadees using
    Using drugs not allowed,
    Second dont waste anything(even a drop of water),
    You should try to take the advantage from your healthy youth ages(Allah will ask you after resurrection about this)

    And everyone knows that ,and islamic ruling is do not use .
    So stop the habit and start to chew gums or lollipops to change your direction.

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    Re: Help! Very Confused About the Islamic Ruling On Cannabis & Psychedelic Use!

    salaam brother I understand your thoughts on psychedelics as being helpful to spirituality or should not be haram. Before I reverted I was a major drug addict and my addiction started with psychedelics and ended in being addicted to heroin and meth. Not saying this will happen to you but from my view about psychedelics is they are a short cut. You can experience similar feelings through long mediation or being very devote to Allah. It may seem like you have been enlightened or had a great spiritual thought but it dose not last god guards his secrets and you are trying to know things you are not meant to know at the time. Pray meditate and thank god for all he has gave you. You are just like me you want to know but it will come in time no short cuts.

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    Re: Help! Very Confused About the Islamic Ruling On Cannabis & Psychedelic Use!

    I may have quoted the wrong person in a previous post..

    The idea still stands though.

    At the heart of it i know people who go through life doing all sorts of things that are haram.

    ..but behind them there is still an order to do such a thing..

    In my opinion it is the very definition of spreading mischief through the land..

    Although its only my own sin that enables them.

    Its very much a case of not what you do that counts but who you do it for.

    ..if my brother wishes ill for me then he only has to write it once for it to happen a second time.

    I have no idea where god fits into anything..

    It sounds very much like a described heaven.

    ..i have known weed smokers that have read death and ushered in curses.. they still endure like any truth.

    Who they work for only gets stronger.

    It sounds far fetched like the ramblings of a mad man..

    But i cant do what they do.

    And Iv seen everything but god.

    ..allah swt is the protector and the planner but honestly there is nobody to write it for me.
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    Re: Help! Very Confused About the Islamic Ruling On Cannabis & Psychedelic Use!

    Quote Originally Posted by kwyjibo View Post
    I made a video on my experience, and explain why it was a mistake to take shrooms, and I will never take them again.
    Wrong link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfQPhncJnUU

    Psychedelics, OCD, depression halal/haram? A muslim's perspective - YouTube
    If you're considering psychedelics, like LSD or magic mushrooms ("shrooms&quot or have used them and you're thinking of depending on them, using them more frequ......

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