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    Muslims will leave Islam in large groups... (OP)


    Nabi (sallallahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) said: “People have entered into Islam in large groups. Soon a time will come wherein they will leave the fold of Islam in large groups” (Musnad Ahmad, vol. 3 pg. 343. Refer: Majma’uz Zawaid, vol. 7 pg. 281)
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    Re: Muslims will leave Islam in large groups...

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    Quote Originally Posted by azc View Post
    @Snel : and not all hadith are ghair sahih as well. Moreover, what you say is not confined musnad ahmad only agree but all sufis aren't wrong. you mean once they were Muslims but later on they left Islam..? Can you write their names and source from where you've got all this? you mean, since the embracing Islam they had no correct aqida but they are likely to be deviants No, probably, it's apostasy agree.
    I didn't say all of them were not sahih, but collections such as Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim are more reliable in this regard, as it's generally assumed that everything within those are sahih.

    Regarding the sufis: If some of them are doing things right and are not engaging in any bidah then why do they feel the need to put this label on themselves? And furthermore, by doing so they are also associating themselves with people who believe in things such as pantheism. They then call themselves "sufi muslims" (allegedly a perfect subset of muslims) and consequently include people like the pantheists within the fold of Islam. This is not something a muslim can accept. You should also consider the fact that neither Muhammad nor his companions called themselves "sufi muslims".

    And you wanted a name of someone who left kufr sprinkled with green moon-crescents to one that isn't. Sure, how about Nabeel Qureshi, the christian apologetic who's also a friend of David Wood? He's definitely not an apostate from Islam, as he never was a muslim to begin with. He was previously an ahmadi.

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    @Snel : Real sufi is is he who follows quran and sunnah. Plz read all articles in this link : https://www.deoband.org/category/tasawwuf/
    Last edited by azc; 01-09-2017 at 08:44 AM.

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    Re: Muslims will leave Islam in large groups...

    Allah does not need us, we need Him. And even if every last Muslim left the deen, that would not change what He is, the nature and truth of the universe. Those who leave the religion, (and I know a few, one of whom now even calls himself an atheist) are the ones who are hurting themselves.
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    Re: Muslims will leave Islam in large groups...

    it is not good.

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    Re: Muslims will leave Islam in large groups...

    I believe the holy prophet (pbuh) did say that islam was a stranger at the beginning and will be a stranger at the end.

    Looking at what is happening and from what I have learnt and still learning the incredible story, it answers most of my questions of ages. And when one answer comes, it unlocks others too and sometimes a whole level of understanding comes to be, fusing perhaps two or three separate topics together.

    I always thought, being a born muslim and with basic education in the deen understood the concept of Allah and tauheed, that those not exposed to that were disadvantaged. I questioned a lot why Allah allowed people to be born non muslims. Surely that is not fair. But as I learn, people enter islam, people leave islam. Allah says He chooses whom He gives hidayah. Our job is to ask for that hidayah.

    Quote Originally Posted by azc View Post
    …..This hadith injuncts us to do introspection and self assessment of how we are following Islam.
    (from post #6)

    Because these are all signs. Despite the signs or the times, whenever or wherever and even however it may be, each and every one will be asked the same questions. And the simple basic thing is that whenever, wherever, whatever and however everyone had their portion of tests and blessings and each had the capabilities and opportunities to earn the best place in jannah or the worst place in jahannam . . it has never been about things of the world, but it has become. The want of this world has erased the need to prepare for the next.

    So, with islam still riding up there as the biggest growing religion, it will still take sometime before it becomes the stranger that it was in the beginning. And nabi Isa (pbuh) is due to come down somewhere in between… no?


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    I pray to Allah that He keeps us on His path. Because only He can guide. may Allah keep us steadfast. Ameen. We are all in need of guidance. Lets make dua to Allah to keep us steadfast, and please make dua for me too.

    Allahu alam.
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    Muslims will leave Islam in large groups...

    Meaning of Shirk according to The Qur'an
    " Worshipping anyone or anything besides Allah " or " distributing anything exclusive to Allah, to anyone or anything else "

    Meaning of Tawheed according to The Qur'an
    Worshipping none but Allah. Affirming whatever is exclusive to Him, Him alone.

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    Re: Muslims will leave Islam in large groups...

    Quote Originally Posted by hisnameiszzz View Post
    On a personal note, I seem to be dipping in and out of Islam and Agnosticism (is that even a word or faith!) every other day.

    I've reached out to about a total of 10 Aalims (most are Imams) and only 1 replied and gave me a bit of advice. I'm having a really bad time of it all and the thoughts in my head seem to take over.

    Normally when I have been to bayaans in the past, they always say "keep in touch with Aalims to keep your faith sane". Well I know and my phone and email account know how many I have contacted. I can't really help it if they can't make time for me can I?

    I'm going to do my own thread at some point, so please forgive me if the OP thinks I am taking over. Apologies.

    Assalaamo alaikum.


    We must take all texts to decide about a matter. About the age of fitan, we are told in one hadeeth shareef that a person will be mu'min in the morning and will turn kaafir in the evening. A person will be mu'min in the evening and will become kaafir in the morning. Then we are told in another hadeeth shareef that the Prophet salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam said, " I am leaving two things among you, The Book of Allah and my Sunnah. Whoever holds fast to these two, he/she will never go astray." (Allah knows best the words of HIS Prophet salla Allaho alaihi wa Sallam).


    We are also told in a hadeeth shareef that we must recite the surah Al-Kahf on every Friday to protect ourselves from the fitan of Dajjaal.


    We can conclude from the above ahaadeeth that we must understand the Holy Qur'aan and follow it in accordance with the Sunnah of the Prophet salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam. We must also convey its massage to others. Then, insha Allah we shall be protected from getting astray. This is sure because the Prophet Muhammad salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam has told us. Similarly, we must recite the surah Al-Kahf on every Friday to protect ourselves from the fitan of Dajjaal as these fitans have already appeared. Then insha-Allah, we will be stead fast on our Deen.
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    For the translation and short explanation of the surahs / verses of the Holy Quraan go to


    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAb...TcknAmy9Y5Bv1A

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    Re: Muslims will leave Islam in large groups...

    And for following Kitab and Sunnah we need to follow pious people. See surah fatiha
    Muslims will leave Islam in large groups...

    Allah (swt) knows best

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