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    Quote Originally Posted by Scimitar View Post
    the cubit measurement is given during the time of Nuh Alaihis salaam - where he was commanded to build the ark according to the specification Allah revealed to him. This is in the Old Testament Torah.

    This is the earliest known usage for the measurement of cubit.

    Nuh Alaihis salaam was not a giant.

    His cubit measurement was approx 1.5 feet. |Same as ours.

    After the ark landed and mankind began to spread across the world, the first nation state to be built was Babylon, and they used the same measurement of cubits - 1.5 feet.

    Historically - the cubit is 1.5 feet.

    We understand the phenomenal height of Adam alaihis salaam from the measurement of a cubit which is 1.5 feet (Adam Alaihis Salaam was 60 cubits in height hadeeth) Making his total height 90 feet.


    With regard to your about Adams Peak - bro, that is hearsay.

    There are hadeeth about the phenomenal landing of Adam on earth and the stronger narrations allude to him landing in Makkah or Dajnah - no Baudh (Adam's Peak) these later ideas were inserted from the period of ghazwa.

    The Adams Peak in Sri Lanka is more commonly known and worshipped as an Hindu gods footprint - and across India - there are many giant footprints belonging to a whole variety of deities. Also brother, the Hindus have been experts at carving idols into rock formations since antiquity - mohenjo daro and other places are proof that they had immense skills - so carving out a footprint wouldn't really be a big deal.

    Also, it makes no sense to claim Adams cubit was such and such a length because we do not meausre cubits that way - like I said, since ancient times, the cubit has been 1.5 feet.

    Scimi


    Bro ,Thanks for your vivid explanation.

    Can i kindly know your source how did and from where did you know the size of cubit of Prophet Noah (pbuh) was 1.5 foot ?

    I conceive his height was NEVER the size of human beings of even during Madian Saleh (saudi ) period (which was much further from Noah and was just before Abraham (pbuh) i guess may be about 6000 years ) who used to carve houses (with tall entrances as seen today) from huge mountains like what Allah has mentioned in the noble Quran.

    There are various theories of Adam descending to the world but even if the Srilankan Adams feet is just a fake but I still conceive Adams feet (who came much before Madian Saleh, Saudi and Petra , Jordan) should have been much longer. The length of Kabur of Prophet Harun , Aroun still appears to be a very lengthy one which depicts people even before just 3000 years were much taller so how about the height or size of our Humans about many many 10,000's years ?

    Allahul aalam.
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    Re: Need help refuting malicious accusations against Islam?


    Bro, a simple exercise in sha Allah

    If by your propagation that Adam was 60 cubits length from his own measurement - do you realise how disproportionate his body would be?

    Let me explain.

    I'm 6 foot tall, and a cubit is 1.5 feet - that makes me 4 cubits tall.

    if Adam was 60 cubits from his own arm length bro - he aint human but a freak - and Allah did not create Adam to be a freak.

    You understand?

    Simple physics disproves your line of enquiry in sha Allah.

    The better inference is logic.

    Not this:



    Because if a cubit is 1.5 meters - that means his arm length from elbow to fingertip is 1.5 meters and the rest of him is what? 60 meters tall?

    Disproportionate measurement bro - do you see the error of your calculation?

    His body would be too tall for his arms, and he would not be able to reach around himself - his mobility would be severely limited.

    The best inference is the one from the historical archives - 1.5 feet is a cubit. And that cubit is post flood measurement survived from the time of Nuh Alaihis Salaam.

    For the measurement of cubit - you can find it in the old testament torah.

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    @Scimitar

    another theory of it being Sri Lanka was inferred from the thinking that Sub continent together with Srilanka was ONCE attached to Saudi so that does not negate any hadith if the hadith mentioned it as Saudi.


    The so called faked videos of Giant skeleton being claimed found in Saudi could be true if Adam was 60 cubits. Allah has left signs for sure but the anti islamist Zionists confuse it with double records (or conceal it) is what I CONCLUDED from my analysis like in many instances like in the body of Pharaoh , Negus of Abbysisinia to an extent they even claimed Exodus of Moses never happened ONLY TO DISPROVE ISLAM.

    From old testaments I could not deny or accept it as well as per the hadith but be cautiously watch full. (and I mean the OT as of 610-130 AD now its more defunct with incest stories about noble Prophet and more insertions my thread here elaborates it
    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthrea...+replace+Allah )

    jazakallah khair
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    Re: Need help refuting malicious accusations against Islam?


    Quote Originally Posted by talibilm View Post
    @Scimitar

    another theory of it being Sri Lanka was inferred from the thinking that Sub continent together with Srilanka was ONCE attached to Saudi so that does not negate any hadith if the hadith mentioned it as Saudi.


    The so called faked videos of Giant skeleton being claimed found in Saudi could be true if Adam was 60 cubits Allah has left signs but the anti islamist Zionists confuse it with double records (or conceal it) is what I CONCLUDED from my analysis like in many instances like in the body of Pharaoh , Negus of Abbysisinia to an extent they even claimed Exodus of Moses never happened ONLY TO DISPROVE ISLAM.

    From old testaments I could not deny or accept it as well as per the hadith but be cautiously watch full.

    jazakallah khair
    Brother

    I believe you have missed the point entirely

    If you calculate the height of Adam from a cubit which measures from his own arm - then he would be a FREAK.

    I showed you the math bro.

    Let me try again in sha Allah.

    A cubit is 1.5 feet ok?

    I'm 6 foot tall.

    How many cubits tall am I?

    4.

    The tallest man in the world has a ratio of 5 but his cubit is 21 inches so - in proportion to his own cubit measurement from his elbow to fingertip - his ratio is still 4 - not 5.

    You are suggesting working out the cubit measurement from Adams own arm by calculating it is 1.5 meters - if the normal ratio is four - then even by that standard bro - he would have to be 6 meters in height - that's less than 20 feet height of Adam - IF - you go by your measurement and still make him appear normally proportioned.

    But what you are suggesting is even more ridiculous.

    You are suggesting that he is 90 feet tall while having arms that are only 1.5 meters in length (under 5 feet in length). A man having 5 foot long arms while having a 90 foot long body makes no sense my brother. His arms would be so short by your calculation that he would look disabled... that's why I posted the pic of the tyrannasuarus rex lol. You are proposing a disproportionate freak of an human being for Adam alaihis salaam by this suggestion.

    You've not worked it out yourself my brother - do it - you will see the folly of your way in sha Allah.

    Scimi

    EDIT: if you are curious about the giants bro, just ask - a long time ago I looked into it for myself. In sha Allah I can share some of what I remember with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scimitar View Post
    Brother

    I believe you have missed the point entirely

    If you calculate the height of Adam from a cubit which measures from his own arm - then he would be a FREAK.

    I showed you the math bro.

    Let me try again in sha Allah.

    A cubit is 1.5 feet ok?

    I'm 6 foot tall.

    How many cubits tall am I?

    4.

    The tallest man in the world has a ratio of 5 but his cubit is 21 inches so - in proportion to his own cubit measurement from his elbow to fingertip - his ratio is still 4 - not 5.

    You are suggesting working out the cubit measurement from Adams own arm by calculating it is 1.5 meters - if the normal ratio is four - then even by that standard bro - he would have to be 6 meters in height - that's less than 20 feet height of Adam - IF - you go by your measurement and still make him appear normally proportioned.

    But what you are suggesting is even more ridiculous.

    You are suggesting that he is 90 feet tall while having arms that are only 1.5 meters in length (under 5 feet in length). A man having 5 foot long arms while having a 90 foot long body makes no sense my brother. His arms would be so short by your calculation that he would look disabled... that's why I posted the pic of the tyrannasuarus rex lol. You are proposing a disproportionate freak of an human being for Adam alaihis salaam by this suggestion.

    You've not worked it out yourself my brother - do it - you will see the folly of your way in sha Allah.

    Scimi

    EDIT: if you are curious about the giants bro, just asked - a long time ago I looked into it for myself. In sha Allah I can share some of what I remember with you.
    You are right bro , i did not check or work on your calculations at all as i had limited time (am also weak at Maths , ) since I believe firmly on hadith its 60 cubits .

    Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 55 :: Hadith 543

    Narrated Abu Huraira:
    The Prophet said, "Allah created Adam, Adam making him 60 cubits tall. When He created him, He said to him, "Go and greet that group of angels, and listen to their reply, for it will be your greeting (salutation) and the greeting (salutations of your offspring." So, Adam Adam said (to the angels), As-Salamu Alaikum (i.e. Peace be upon you). The angels said, "As-salamu Alaika wa Rahmatu-l-lahi" (i.e. Peace and Allah's Mercy be upon you). Thus the angels added to Adam's salutation the expression, 'Wa Rahmatu-l-lahi,' Any person who will enter Paradise will resemble Adam Adam(in appearance and figure). People have been decreasing in stature since Adam's creation ''.



    If so taking a proportion of 1:6 (our heights ) his foot could be nearly 10 foot or 6 cubits ( is that right?) If the foot of so claimed of Adam in Sri Lanka if its not as proportionate to as said in the hadith then i will have to reject it as fake and it cannot be used to infer the size of a cubit of Adam's times.

    The mistake has to be on our side but never on the hadiths .


    So what is the length of Adam"s foot if his height was 60 cubits ?

    bro, Do kindly share with us all about info about Giants, Skeletons.
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    Almost 17 feet is the length of his foot by the calculation that he is 60 cubits tall (90 feet), Allahu Alam the exact size but it would be around or just under 17 feet. the exact calculation i came up with was 16.875 feet which is 202.5 inches.

    The way I came up with this measurement is as follows.

    NOTE - the question you ask requires us to formulate the calculation by which we can determine the length of the Adamic cubit - not the classical cubit.

    For this math to work - we actually have to calculate the length from Adam's Elbow to Fingertip - we have to find the Adamic cubit.

    The reason why is because we are trying to determine the length of Adams foot - which requires us to understand proportions.

    An human foot is exactly 3/4th the length of the distance between his elbow and middle fingertip - a personal cubit measurement.

    A mans height is of 4 cubits from his own personal cubit size.

    The size of an human foot is exactly 3/4ths the length of the arm from elbow to fingertip - 3/4th the size of a cubit. In this case - 3/4th the size of Adams cubit.

    So I took 90 feet / 4 to get the length of the Adamic cubit, then found the 3/4th of that to get the length of foot size.

    the math:

    90/4=22.5 feet. - one Adamic cubit.

    22.5/4X3=16.875 feet (202.5 inches) - one Adamic foot length.

    Hope this helps in sha Allah.

    Quote Originally Posted by talibilm View Post

    bro, Do kindly share with us all about info about Giants, Skeletons.
    In sha Allah. what in particular do you want to know bro?

    Scimi
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    bro, I would like to know your view
    about Giant skeleton videos , which claim to have been excavated in Saudi .

    Though we have to defend the ancestors of Sahabas both Muhajireen and Ansars and even veil up their mistakes (as per hadith) but its the Saudi rulers and
    bureaucrats (do not know these are progeny of sahabas, Muhajireen and Ansars) have become puppets to Anti Islamists and they have cleared off artifacts of Nabi but have protected artifacts of Moses (pbuh) instead with a fence around and such idiotic actions (against the Noble Quran Where Allah says he protected body of Pharaoh and other ruins AS A SIGN to the later generations) make those people claim that Mecca did not exist or Prophet Muhammad never existed.
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    wa'alykum salaam warahmatullah.

    OK bro, in sha Allah tomorrow I will post something here related to your question.

    For now, it's time to begin my day in sha Allah.

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