i honestly don't understand
a scholar on youtube said that "jesus will not return as a prophet but as a follower of muhammad"
but that doesn't make sense because how can his prophethood be removed without him finishing his mission?
..seems like its just badly paraphrased.
it is...just a badly worded truth..
one that does little to bring hands together.
give him a clap.
obviously not pandering to the Christian crowd.
...nevermind the jewish people.
its like science.. who can deny science? maybe he comes back as a scientist?
monothiesm.
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He is going to complete his mission as a follower of Prophet Muhammad [saw]; he remains a Prophet just like an american president retains their title of 'President' even after their step-down
Can someone please give Quranic references for such?
Thank you humbly in advance.
peace
I don't think there are Quranic references for that, pops!
I believe that seeing as Islam is already completed from the teachings of prophet Muhammad (pbuh) there will be nothing for Jesus pbuh to teach.
Got to remember that Jesus was a prophet from birth and doing Allah's bidding whilst all the other prophets had some life before being called to serve. So, when he does come back, there will be no prophet (as Muhammad pbuh was the final one) and Jesus will resume a life he never had before... most probably get married and die a normal death...
Thank you for the clarification.format_quote Originally Posted by greenhill
I don't think there are Quranic references for that, pops!
I believe that seeing as Islam is already completed from the teachings of prophet Muhammad (pbuh) there will be nothing for Jesus pbuh to teach.
Got to remember that Jesus was a prophet from birth and doing Allah's bidding whilst all the other prophets had some life before being called to serve. So, when he does come back, there will be no prophet (as Muhammad pbuh was the final one) and Jesus will resume a life he never had before... most probably get married and die a normal death...
When the Christ of GOD returns it won't be to teach any.
In a slightly different note; are there Quranic references stating that Mohammad was the last messenger of GOD?
Thank you.
peace
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Cannot remember which, but one that was said something like ".. and today I have perfected your religion for you...." meaning that the Revelations were finished (Quran 5:3)
You see, because I am a born muslim, many facts and facets I know but when asked specific questions like that, I am not sure of where my source comes from so it is hard to honestly answer without careful research.
But off the cuff, I would use different reasoning, parallel, in tangent so to speak to 'endorse' that statement. These ayahs are in the Quran (not sure where, though) like the one about protecting it from corruption (that is a very tall order unless Divinely ordained) and why would it need to be protected from corruption? Perhaps because there is going to be no more messengers? Previously, the messengers had always another one to follow, to correct and give guidance.
Why was prophet Muhammad brought up in the dessert, away from the town and the people? Why was he illiterate? Perhaps Allah wanted to be his Teacher. Allah alem.
I believe, in all honesty, the Seal of the Prophets, the Final Messenger etc was already known many, many successive generations of previous prophets, peace be upon them all. They would foretell about the future prophets and the one to come. They would be given 'signs' about him, about the hour or whatever that would be used to identify and verify the authenticity of that person. So his arrival (Muhammad pbuh), for those who accepted him, already know they are following the final messenger. For those who do not believe in his authenticity still await their final messenger.... or have the successive generations forgotten about it?
The thing is, for muslims are forewarned! There is no other prophet! The next that will have i-n-c-r-e-d-i-b-l-e- powers to convince the masses that he is the final one, with god's powers, will be Dajjal. He will be followed by those who rejected Muhammad pbuh and are still waiting for their prophet. That is it, simply put.
But for those muslims living at that time, it will be like those times of early Christians in the Roman empire. Maybe worse. Allah alem. Lots will give up faith, apparently.
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Thank you again for taking the time and effort to explain your position to me.format_quote Originally Posted by greenhillCannot remember which, but one that was said something like ".. and today I have perfected your religion for you...." meaning that the Revelations were finished (Quran 5:3)
You see, because I am a born muslim, many facts and facets I know but when asked specific questions like that, I am not sure of where my source comes from so it is hard to honestly answer without careful research.
But off the cuff, I would use different reasoning, parallel, in tangent so to speak to 'endorse' that statement. These ayahs are in the Quran (not sure where, though) like the one about protecting it from corruption (that is a very tall order unless Divinely ordained) and why would it need to be protected from corruption? Perhaps because there is going to be no more messengers? Previously, the messengers had always another one to follow, to correct and give guidance.
Why was prophet Muhammad brought up in the dessert, away from the town and the people? Why was he illiterate? Perhaps Allah wanted to be his Teacher. Allah alem.
I believe, in all honesty, the Seal of the Prophets, the Final Messenger etc was already known many, many successive generations of previous prophets, peace be upon them all. They would foretell about the future prophets and the one to come. They would be given 'signs' about him, about the hour or whatever that would be used to identify and verify the authenticity of that person. So his arrival (Muhammad pbuh), for those who accepted him, already know they are following the final messenger. For those who do not believe in his authenticity still await their final messenger.... or have the successive generations forgotten about it?
The thing is, for muslims are forewarned! There is no other prophet! The next that will have i-n-c-r-e-d-i-b-l-e- powers to convince the masses that he is the final one, with god's powers, will be Dajjal. He will be followed by those who rejected Muhammad pbuh and are still waiting for their prophet. That is it, simply put.
But for those muslims living at that time, it will be like those times of early Christians in the Roman empire. Maybe worse. Allah alem. Lots will give up faith, apparently.
peace
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5:116 Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart . . ."
if it has any relevance to the thread i dont know?
The surah you posted does show that the Christ isn't to be understood to be the utter fullness of the one creator GOD while he walked the earth as man. However it does not speak about the second coming or return of the Christ of GOD.format_quote Originally Posted by M.I.A.
peace
well.. i suppose we would have to be very careful in any speculation about such a thing.
i dont know who would be acceptable to him or how acceptable he would be.
apart from the event itself.. you would have to know your own account of such an event..
im not very familiar with it.
about two years ago someone asked me why jesus pbuh was chosen to be sent back at the end anyway...
i dont know?
..should have asked him why?
i dont know!! i sell bloomin icecream!
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Return of Jesus
https://en.islamtoday.net/artshow-440-3467.htm
http://www.discoveringislam.org/return_of_jesus.htm
format_quote Originally Posted by popsthebuilder
"Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Apostle of God, and the Seal of the Prophets: and God has full knowledge of all things. (The Noble Quran, 33:40)"
"Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, 'The Israelis used to be ruled and guided by prophets: Whenever a prophet died, another would take over his place. There will be no prophet after me, but there will be Caliphs who will increase in number.' The people asked, 'O Allah's Apostle! What do you order us (to do)?' He said, 'Obey the one who will be given the pledge of allegiance first. Fulfil their (i.e. the Caliphs) rights, for Allah will ask them about (any shortcoming) in ruling those Allah has put under their guardianship.' (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Virtues and Merits of the Prophet (peace be upon him) and his Companions, Volume 4, Book 56, Number 661)
""Narrated Sad: Allah's Apostle set out for Tabuk. appointing 'Ali as his deputy (in Medina). 'Ali said, 'Do you want to leave me with the children and women?' The Prophet said, 'Will you not be pleased that you will be to me like Aaron to Moses? But there will be no prophet after me.' (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Book 59, Military Expeditions led by the Prophet (peace be upon him) (Al-Maghaazi), Volume 5, Number 700)"
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Lol literally. That was funny...Everyone likes ice cream.format_quote Originally Posted by M.I.A.
peace
I would think that the seal of the prophets would be a sign or establishment or verification of the prophets.format_quote Originally Posted by aaj
The English word "seal" is derived from the Latin word "signum" which literally means "sign".
Are there other verses that establish Mohammed, the blessed messenger of GOD, as the final prophet or messenger? Or are there other verses that establish a different meaning for the word seal?
Thanks in advance.
peace
I think I'm finally starting to get a hang of your posts.format_quote Originally Posted by M.I.A.
dont say that lol, i may have to change my writing style.
im not sure if its actually meant to make any sense. if anything, incoherent ramblings are less dangerous than carefully worded posts.
please disregard after reading.
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Greetings,format_quote Originally Posted by popsthebuilder
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"Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Apostle of Allah, and the Seal (last) of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things."
(The Noble Quran, 33:40)
Our understanding of what Qur’anic verses mean comes from what Muhammadtold us they mean. In light of this, the renowned Islamic scholar, Mawlana Sayyid Abul Hasan Ali Nadwi
states in his work, The Islamic Concept of Prophethood:
“For the reason that the Qur’anic verses were explicitly clear and Traditions (ahadith) were handed down by very many distinct chains of narrators (mutawatir), the Companions of the Prophet were unanimous in holding the view that prophethood had come to an end after the last Apostle of Allah, and that no new prophet shall come after him.
The consensus of opinion among the Companions is a fundamental rule of Shariah, for none could be expected to understand the meaning and purpose of prophetic pronouncements better than they.
All the Companions were thus agreed, without any exception, in declaring Musailamah as an infidel and disbeliever against whom it was perfectly lawful to wage the holy war.
Musailamah, nevertheless, testified to prophethood of Muhammad, commended his followers to do the same in giving out the call to prayer, professed his faith in the Qur’an and claimed to follow its injunctions; but,
he also claimed to receive revelations, misinterpreted the Qur’an and laid the claim to share prophethood with the last of the prophets. He, thus, wanted to open the door to a sort of subsidiary prophethood although ministering to the paramount law of Muhammad’s apostleship.
Musailamah, the Liar, was thus a precursor of all the impostors who later on made a claim to prophethood in Islam.” p. 186
As posted by AabiruSabeel in another thread:
حَدَّثَنَا قُتَيْبَةُ، حَدَّثَنَا حَمَّادُ بْنُ زَيْدٍ، عَنْ أَيُّوبَ، عَنْ أَبِي قِلاَبَةَ، عَنْ أَبِي أَسْمَاءَ الرَّحَبِيِّ، عَنْ ثَوْبَانَ، قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم " لاَ تَقُومُ السَّاعَةُ حَتَّى تَلْحَقَ قَبَائِلُ مِنْ أُمَّتِي بِالْمُشْرِكِينَ وَحَتَّى يَعْبُدُوا الأَوْثَانَ وَإِنَّهُ سَيَكُونُ فِي أُمَّتِي ثَلاَثُونَ كَذَّابُونَ كُلُّهُمْ يَزْعُمُ أَنَّهُ نَبِيٌّ وَأَنَا خَاتَمُ النَّبِيِّينَ لاَ نَبِيَّ بَعْدِي "
Thawbannarrated that the Messenger of Allah
"The Hour shall not be established until tribes of my Ummah unite with the idolaters, and until they worship idols. And indeed there shall be thirty imposters in my Ummah, each of them claiming that he is a Prophet. And I am the last of the Prophets, there is no Prophet after me." [Tirmidhi]
وعن أبى هريرة رضي الله عنه قال: قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم: "كانت بنو إسرائيل تسوسهم الأنبياء، كلما هلك نبى خلفه نبى، وإنه لا نبى بعدى وسيكون بعدى خلفاء فيكثرون” قالوا: يا رسول الله فما تأمرنا؟ قال: "أوفوا ببيعة الأول فالأول، ثم أعطوهم حقهم، واسألوا الله الذى لكم ، فإن الله سائلهم عما استرعاهم” ((متفق عليه))
Abu Hurairah (May Allah be pleased with him) reported:
Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, "The Banu Isra'il were ruled by the Prophets. When one Prophet died, another succeeded him. There will be no Prophet after me. Caliphs will come after me, and they will be many." The Companions said: "O Messenger of Allah, what do you command us to do?" He said, "Fulfill the pledge of allegiance to which is sworn first (then swear allegiance to the others). Concede to them their due rights and ask Allah that which is due to you. Allah will call them to account in respect of the subjects whom He had entrusted to them." [Al-Bukhari and Muslim]
رِ، عَنْ سَعِيدِ بْنِ الْمُسَيَّبِ، عَنْ عَامِرِ بْنِ سَعْدِ، بْنِ أَبِي وَقَّاصٍ عَنْ أَبِيهِ، قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم لِعَلِيٍّ " أَنْتَ مِنِّي بِمَنْزِلَةِ هَارُونَ مِنْ مُوسَى إِلاَّ أَنَّهُ لاَ نَبِيَّ بَعْدِي " . قَالَ سَعِيدٌ فَأَحْبَبْتُ أَنْ أُشَافِهَ بِهَا سَعْدًا فَلَقِيتُ سَعْدًا فَحَدَّثْتُهُ بِمَا حَدَّثَنِي عَامِرٌ فَقَالَ أَنَا سَمِعْتُهُ . فَقُلْتُ آنْتَ سَمِعْتَهُ فَوَضَعَ إِصْبَعَيْهِ عَلَى أُذُنَيْهِ فَقَالَ نَعَمْ وَإِلاَّ فَاسْتَكَّتَا
Amir b Sa'd b. Abi Waqqas
You are in the same position with relation to me as Aaron (Harun) was in relation to Moses but with (this explicit difference) that there is no prophet after me. Sa'd said: I had an earnest desire to hear it directly from Sa'd, so I met him and narrated to him what (his son) Amir had narrated to me, whereupon he said: Yes, I did hear it. I said: Did you hear it yourself? Thereupon he placed his fingers upon his ears and said: Yes, and if not, let both my ears become deaf. [Muslim]
حَدَّثَنَا ابْنُ نُمَيْرٍ، حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ بِشْرٍ، حَدَّثَنَا إِسْمَاعِيلُ، قُلْتُ لاِبْنِ أَبِي أَوْفَى رَأَيْتَ إِبْرَاهِيمَ ابْنَ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ مَاتَ صَغِيرًا، وَلَوْ قُضِيَ أَنْ يَكُونَ بَعْدَ مُحَمَّدٍ صلى الله عليه وسلم نَبِيٌّ عَاشَ ابْنُهُ، وَلَكِنْ لاَ نَبِيَّ بَعْدَهُ.
Narrated Isma`il:
I asked Abi `Aufa, "Did you see Ibrahim, the son of the Prophet (ﷺ) ?" He said, "Yes, but he died in his early childhood. Had there been a Prophet after Muhammad then his son would have lived, but there is no Prophet after him." [Bukhari]
Please see this thread to read more about the Qadiyani movement: http://www.islamicboard.com/sects-an...-movement.html
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