I don't understand why men are allowed to dress fashionably, style their hair, are able to show their body except for their awrah and be able to sing and dance while women can't wear minimal makeup, have to wear baggy clothes, their clothes have to be unfashionable and dark, can't speak loudly or laugh in public, they can't sing, recite or dance either.
Why do women need to hide themselves so much when men don't?
I don't understand why men are allowed to dress fashionably, style their hair, are able to show their body except for their awrah and be able to sing and dance while women can't wear minimal makeup, have to wear baggy clothes, their clothes have to be unfashionable and dark, can't speak loudly or laugh in public, they can't sing, recite or dance either.
Why do women need to hide themselves so much when men don't?
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People keep saying that it's because women are supposed to be protected, but how is it a good thing if it becomes difficult to go about our daily lives without having to worry about so many things. I'm sure if a man looked good, girls would look at him and be attracted. Why is it different if it's a woman?
Since outside is the men's world, per the sunnah they should go outside presentable and not looking like homeless bums. It does not mean they can go out and do whatever they want, they too have islamic guidelines they have to follow in how they carry themselves and how they conduct their affairs.
Women can wear makeup, dance, sing and fashionably do other stuff but inside their house among their mahrams, not outside in front of non-mahrams. This not only causes fitna for men but she also dishonor and devalues herself in such a careless manner. The west teaches us that it's "freedom", when all they are doing is objectifying you for the pleasure of their eyes.
Men and women were created with different roles in society. Men's role is dealing with the affairs of the outside while the women's role is dealing with the affairs inside the house.
Allah says,
“And abide quietly in your homes, and do not flaunt your charms as they used to flaunt them in the old days of pagan ignorance; and be constant in prayer, and render the purifying dues, and pay heed unto Allah and His Messenger: for Allah only wants to remove from you all that might be loathsome, O you members of the [Prophet’s] household, and to purify you to utmost purity.” [33:33]
According to Tafsir ibn Kathir, “And stay in your houses” means “stay in your houses and do not come out except for a purpose. According to Tafsir Maududi, the verse means to impress that the woman’s real sphere of activity is her home; she should carry out her functions within that sphere peacefully, and she should come out of the house only in case of a genuine need.
QUOTE=talibilm;2954347]So what is the context there ? could you please teach us Sister, daughter.
Yes. Most (not all ) of the fitna starts from BAD women and even by this hadith its true. When you say Men should not wear tight cloths that's right i supported you but how do you know they wear tight cloths UNLESS you look or stare at them ?. So both men & women have to control the gaze. Every eye is lustful says another hadith. And May be since men are mostly out engaged in day today works they are more PRONE & vulnerable to control their eyes though I do ( Alhamdulilah ) so the reason here for the literal cover or hijab to women.
So now we have digged inside the PROBABLE root cause & apparent cause Why Allah has levied many more rules on women who was created from Ribs it seen in Hadith. whereas when a bad Women can be a fitna and Hell even in this world to her husband (hadith) & vice versa a good women can be paradise too (hadith) For a good family & children its the women who takes more credit than a husband.
Uncle Talibilm is 50 what has been said from the hadith is upto you accept it or not and another hadith points out more
Bukhari :: Book 2 :: Volume 24 :: Hadith 541
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri
On 'Id ul Fitr or 'Id ul Adha Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) went out to the Musalla. After finishing the prayer, he delivered the sermon and ordered the people to give alms. He said, "O people! Give alms." Then he went towards the women and said. "O women! Give alms, for I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-Fire were you (women)." The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is the reason for it?" He replied, "O women! You curse frequently, and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. O women, some of you can lead a cautious wise man astray." Then he left. And when he reached his house, Zainab, the wife of Ibn Masud, came and asked permission to enter It was said, "O Allah's Apostle! It is Zainab." He asked, 'Which Zainab?" The reply was that she was the wife of Ibn Mas'ub. He said, "Yes, allow her to enter." And she was admitted. Then she said, "O Prophet of Allah! Today you ordered people to give alms and I had an ornament and intended to give it as alms, but Ibn Masud said that he and his children deserved it more than anybody else." The Prophet replied, "Ibn Masud had spoken the truth. Your husband and your children had more right to it than anybody else."
So hope you will not further drag me into sinning by a argument by calling me not honorable (its a Sin ) as in your above post which proves AGAIN the above hadith LIVE , since i never wished to reply you after fajr but you did winby dragging me here AGAIN (by your sharp words, tongue) and Prove the above hadith how even a wise cautious man (i am old so I hope am wise too inshallah, Allahul aalam ) can be mislead by some like you as EXACTLY pointed in the above hadith . I quote again
''O women, some of you can lead a cautious wise man astray."
So Sister, daughter. So I shall keep my ideas as per hadith and its upto you whatever you are after at and Allah will clear us all on the DOJ.
Thanks a lot for all the replies, everyone.
But I don't understand, I'm supposed to try to look ugly when I go out? Someone here said that women cannot wear attractive clothes, which would mean that we have to wear unattractive clothes? I'm not speaking of the current Western fashion. This is what I mean : http://www.design2talk.com/wp-conten...-hijab-5-2.jpg
No one said you should start looking ugly. Millions of women go out dressed modestly without having anything to do with fashion or attracting attention.
Regarding your "islamic fashion" pics in view of the islamic hijab criteria:
first one is fine in terms of length but not looseness. It should be loose enough not to show the shape of the body, which is not the case with the arms and legs in the picture, and that scarf needs to cover the chest as well.
second image is better but same deal with the arms and legs.
third image seems fine although they look more like bed pjs then fashion lol
last image is how most hijabis go today. the t-shirt underneath is tight, pant is fine if the top layer came down enough to the thighs. But over all it's too eye catching and 'attractive' looking, hijab means to 'conceal' and stand out.
Some beautify their hijab so much that the hijab needs an hijab.
No one said you should start looking ugly. Millions of women go out dressed modestly without having anything to do with fashion or attracting attention.
Regarding your "islamic fashion" pics in view of the islamic hijab criteria:
first one is fine in terms of length but not looseness. It should be loose enough not to show the shape of the body, which is not the case with the arms and legs in the picture, and that scarf needs to cover the chest as well.
second image is better but same deal with the arms and legs.
third image seems fine although they look more like bed pjs then fashion lol
last image is how most hijabis go today. the t-shirt underneath is tight, pant is fine if the top layer came down enough to the thighs. But over all it's too eye catching and 'attractive' looking, hijab means to 'conceal' and stand out.
Some beautify their hijab so much that the hijab needs an hijab.
Thanks a lot for all the replies, everyone.
But I don't understand, I'm supposed to try to look ugly when I go out? Someone here said that women cannot wear attractive clothes, which would mean that we have to wear unattractive clothes? I'm not speaking of the current Western fashion. This is what I mean : http://www.design2talk.com/wp-conten...-hijab-5-2.jpg
i think it would be ok for you to get to a higher spiritual state gradually, where you dont care about 'beauty' any more but just not to attract any gazes from men! , so as long as you wear loose clothing that covers the entire body [except hands feet and face] thats ok for now
i think it would be ok for you to get to a higher spiritual state gradually, where you dont care about 'beauty' any more but just not to attract any gazes from men! , so as long as you wear loose clothing that covers the entire body [except hands feet and face] thats ok for now
Asalaamualaykum :
All the things that you listed as permissible for a man is ACTUALLY NOT in Islam.
Lets go one by one:
- Dress Fashionably ( This is only permissible if there is modesty in the clothing - Todays fashion of tight clothing is also disliked in islam as even if a man is covered, it is in his best interest that he has taqwa and modesty in his dress)
- Style hair: Certain hairstyles are disliked in islam. So there is a limitation.
- To show the body itself needs good reason even-though the awrah is from navel to knee. Even in hottest countries you will never find a man praying in Jamaah exposing even the permissible awrah.
It is unfortunate that today Muslim men have forgotten the ethics of dressing as much as woman have forgotten it. We all need to make an effort.
The general failure of any gender to practice the Sunnah is no excuse for the other gender to abandon the Sunnah.
Wasalaam.
Maasha-Allah, very beautiful answers. Jazaak-Allaho khairan katheeran katheera!!!
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Both men and women should keep their downformat_quote Originally Posted by 66moon
(its a Sin ) as in your above post which proves AGAIN the above hadith LIVE , since i never wished to reply you after fajr but you did win by dragging me here AGAIN
(by your sharp words, tongue) and Prove the above hadith how even a wise cautious man (i am old so I hope am wise too inshallah, Allahul aalam ) can be mislead by some like you as EXACTLY pointed in the above hadith . I quote again
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, so as long as you wear loose clothing that covers the entire body [except hands feet and face] thats ok for now
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