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    how can you describe Allah merciful when he threatens all 'unbelievers' with everlasting punishment in Jahannam, and even Muslims fro the so called '72 misguided sects'?

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    Re: how is allah merciful?

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    Bismillah

    ALLAH created human souls & before that 50000 years Pen &Book writes what He wants to,according to His knowledge&wisdom-deeds of human &jinns &creates a shaytan for .He creates Hell&heaven&then years after creates Adam PBUH ,acc.to what He destined. Acc to Scholars, He Ta'ala, even created aamaal (actions/deeds,)for some good,others bad.Then He has full power over everything, He sorted out people of hell &people of Paradise -said most of humanity is going to be in hell because He knew that people aren't going to be good or even believe in Him!But its all a test of human being goodness & responsibility to ALLAH, Who creates us& showers blessings in different forms!



    It really is a free will to an extent .We all get signs ,even the kuffar -many in their lifetime chances upon chances.Upto our intellect & nafs whether we accept or not.

    Devil is the main cause of test -Reading Qur'an is beneficial!That's why so much warnings against devil in Qur'an & knowledge is stressed in Islam so that people don't find things confusing, messed up!


    There are cases of people who were not guided in perfect sense,enterred JAnnah kuffar died on Islam at end miraculously, brelwis died on la ilaha illa ALLAH,bidah doers in JAnnah,people who did Haram ,I know personally girl who doesn't do much,like normal Haram actions no hijab ....not much Islam but such great dreamsof JAnnah etc &much more instances of people getting guided on near end of lives etc after life of kufr.

    His Mercy for His slaves,is such that the good doers, are given blessings in both worlds..... Not necessarily WORLDLY things but inside blessings,in dreams of JAnnah,miracles to good slaves not deviants though deviants miracles are led by shaytan&also punishes the enemies of His good slaves in worst ways ....so many stories in Islamic history & present times .He is Woowwww!Alhamdull'ILLAH


    Also,there's a Du'a by Umar bin Khattab R that says to ALLAH to change Qadr destiny if it's hell to JAnnah!

    So,ALLAH is Most Merciful& Also proves Loving.

    Problem is not Him,problem is shaytan, evil within people & evil jinns&evil people of shayateen "party who turns people against Him.

    I have had biggest trials,no one can imagine but seems like I am going to bang my head onto wall with trust on Him !

    InshaALLAH


    Looking forward to yawmal Qiyamah impatiently for justice & entrance of my enemies towards the hell that I suffered live because of them!


    That's why it's said what is paraphrased as if anyone finds good in deeds ,then praise ALLAH for He gave Tawfeeq & if someone finds bad then let him blame himself!


    Trials are a test if this life too but by ALLAH's Grace,good doers are given steadfastness & blessings&revenge against enemies!


    Merciful ALLAH!

    Knowledge is power!
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    Re: how is allah merciful?

    Quote Originally Posted by AmatulWudud View Post
    Bismillah

    ALLAH created human souls & before that 50000 years Pen &Book writes what He wants to,according to His knowledge&wisdom-deeds of human &jinns &creates a shaytan for .He creates Hell&heaven&then years after creates Adam PBUH ,acc.to what He destined. Acc to Scholars, He Ta'ala, even created aamaal (actions/deeds,)for some good,others bad.Then He has full power over everything, He sorted out people of hell &people of Paradise -said most of humanity is going to be in hell because He knew that people aren't going to be good or even believe in Him!But its all a test of human being goodness & responsibility to ALLAH, Who creates us& showers blessings in different forms!



    It really is a free will to an extent .We all get signs ,even the kuffar -many in their lifetime chances upon chances.Upto our intellect & nafs whether we accept or not.

    Devil is the main cause of test -Reading Qur'an is beneficial!That's why so much warnings against devil in Qur'an & knowledge is stressed in Islam so that people don't find things confusing, messed up!


    There are cases of people who were not guided in perfect sense,enterred JAnnah kuffar died on Islam at end miraculously, brelwis died on la ilaha illa ALLA,bidah doers in JAnnah,people who did Haram ,I know personally girl who doesn't do much,like normal Haram actions no hijab ....not much Islam but such great dreamsof JAnnah etc &much more instances of people getting guided on near end of lives etc after life of kufr.

    His Mercy for His slaves,is such that the good doers, are given blessings in both worlds..... Not necessarily WORLDLY things but inside blessings,in dreams of JAnnah,miracles to good slaves not deviants &also punishes the enemies of His good slaves in worst ways ....so many stories in Islamic history & present times .He is Woowwww!Alhamdull'ILLAH


    Also,there's a Du'a by Umar bin Khattab R that says to ALLAH to change Qadr destiny if it's hell to JAnnah!

    So,ALLAH is Most Merciful& Also proves Loving.

    Problem is not Him,problem is shaytan, evil within people & evil jinns&evil people of shayateen "party who turns people against Him.

    I have had biggest trials,no one can imagine but seems like I am going to bang my head onto wall with trust on Him !

    InshaALLAH


    Looking forward to yawmal Qiyamah impatiently for justice & entrance of my enemies towards the hell that I suffered live because of them!


    That's why it's said what is paraphrased as if anyone finds good in deeds ,then praise ALLAH for He gave Tawfeeq & if someone finds bad then let him blame himself!


    Trials are a test if this life too but by ALLAH's Grace,good doers are given steadfastness & blessings&revenge against enemies!


    Merciful ALLAH!

    Knowledge is power!
    Also,just because some people are fortunate to goto JAnnah due to ALLAH's Mercy that doesn't give a call to abondon Religion or to not do good deeds or stay away from evil !AFTER all,who wouldn't like to goto JAnnah-A land of peace,goodness&joys over joys!With 100 high ranks with every JAnnah another level-Above level!

    Only fools will abondon good deeds &knowledge to mess their lives!

    I'm actually happy for yawmal Qiyamah because I'm extremely oppressed & I'm going to witness Justice & penalty on enemies ,InshaALLAH

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    Re: how is allah merciful?

    A sign is

    Whatever turns you away from ALLAH's Path is from shaytan, who wants to drive you to hell &Whatever gets you to Praise ALLAH & turn towards Him ,is from Him!

    We all should bear this in mind &make our decisions based on this fact!

    InshaALLAH

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    Re: how is allah merciful?

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    Aslamoalaikum. Brother your knowledge on islam, theology and ability to debate with just and clarity is mashallah so great. May Allah increase you in this world and hereafter.
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    Re: how is allah merciful?

    So you made two accounts, Khanali12 and Syed123... interesting form of deception.

    Quote Originally Posted by Khanali12 View Post
    We didn’t ask him to create us so I don’t thinkit is fair


    this is an odd thing to say, considering that if you are not created, you can't communicate because you don't exist. How can you expect to ask anything when you don't exist?


    Quote Originally Posted by Khanali12 View Post
    Not quite, my question was that if we weregood human beings before death, wouldn’t it be more merciful of Allah tocease/stop our existence than tormenting us in hell.


    Human souls are created for eternity. This life is only temporary and the next, permanent. So. No. Although one may find him or herself being pulled out of hell and going to heaven after a term spent. Relying on the Mercy of Allah is the key, as I explained earlier. In all the surahs of the Qur'an we start with, In the name of Allah the Most beneficient, the Most Merciful - except for one surah. This shows me that Allahs mercy far outweighs HIS wrath, and this is also recorded in hadeeth.

    So thinking the worst and not allowing yourself to think of the good is not a good way to measure your spiritual balance

    Quote Originally Posted by Khanali12 View Post
    So, people who don’t pray out of lazinessare kafir? That means most of the people I know are ‘no better’ than me.


    Not making salaat doesn't make one a kafir. It makes them a weak Muslim. Of course, if a Muslim misses 3 Juma'h salaat in a row, he must retake his shahadah in front of two witnesses. But this is the only exception from what I understand.

    Quote Originally Posted by Khanali12 View Post
    alright, you come across assounding rude so you should make it clear that you are not - especially to new,oblivious members.


    I'm harsh, not rude.

    Quote Originally Posted by Khanali12 View Post
    funnily, learning how to read theQuran in Arabic at a young age allowed me to read Urdu ������, no, I don’t understand arabic and when I wasyounger, at mosque they didn’t emphasis on understanding the text as I don’tthink the teachers themselves understood it either (Pakistani mosque)


    We were raised in similar masjid environments then. You said you read about my past and identifed I had apostated once. It was due to many reasons which were not making sense to my young mind back then, but one was getting hit by molvi's in masjid. lol.

    Looking back, I understand now that I was experiencing the only discipline I ever had in my early life. After that the only discipline I got was in martial arts.

    Quote Originally Posted by Khanali12 View Post
    most sects claim to be.
    Which is whyb a smart person doesn't rely on any sect to tell them what Islam is or how it should be practiced.

    For those who wish to know how to practice Islam, and have acute questions which they have no method for answering, there are the four madhabs which are schools of thought, and not sects, and all four are sound.

    Besides, in the practice of Islam, the basics are always the same, the five pillars are always the same the theology is always the same etc - Islam has not suffered the same issues sectarianism has plagued other faith groups with. Our sects are all political and not theological.

    Personally, I hate politics so all this sect talk is just wasteful for me. And so, identifying with any sect, also seems wasteful to me.

    Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamaat are those who follow the sunnah of the prophet pbuh as est as they can, and gather in the masajid for salaat.

    Scimi
    how is allah merciful?


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    Re: how is allah merciful?

    I wasn't trying to deceive anyone, I clearly stated on this thread that I had created a new account due to restrictions on this one, my accounts have now been merged with the restrictions removed.

    thank you for your time anyway, if only you got straight to the point on the last thread instead of being 'harsh'...
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    Re: how is allah merciful?

    you miss 3 jummah prayers in a row and you've become a kafir? then most Muslims I know then are kafir aswell.

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    Re: how is allah merciful?

    What is the point of not "liking" the reason for being created? What is the point of of disliking it??

    so what if you dislike it, it is the truth. Allah is All-Wise, All-Knowing. He does nothing in vain.

    Why did He create us to worship Him ? I don't know. But know that Allah does NOT create in vain.

    I don't know why Allah created me to worship Him . I just know He did, and I know He does not create in vain. And I do as He commanded.

    Allahu alam.
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    how is allah merciful?

    Meaning of Shirk according to The Qur'an
    " Worshipping anyone or anything besides Allah " or " distributing anything exclusive to Allah, to anyone or anything else "

    Meaning of Tawheed according to The Qur'an
    Worshipping none but Allah. Affirming whatever is exclusive to Him, Him alone.

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    Re: how is allah merciful?

    you can accept that, but I won't.

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    Re: how is allah merciful?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khanali12 View Post
    I wasn't trying to deceive anyone, I clearly stated on this thread that I had created a new account due to restrictions on this one, my accounts have now been merged with the restrictions removed.

    thank you for your time anyway, if only you got straight to the point on the last thread instead of being 'harsh'...
    OK, so how about my last post to you? NO further questions? Did I answer them to your satisfaction?

    And if not, then why? what is it that you do not agree with? Be detailed. You claim you've studied Islam, so show me that - show me how your study of Islam has led you to believe that Islam is not the right religion.

    I would like to know your reasoning, and inference.

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    Re: how is allah merciful?

    Ok what I've never heard of missing 3 salat al jammah in a row then you become a khaffir I don't even have a car and the nearest mosk is miles away and no one ever takes me that doesn't make me a khaffir

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    Re: how is allah merciful?

    Surah An’am Verse 40-41

    Say: “ Think ye to yourselves,
    If there come upon you The Wrath of God,
    Or the Hour(that ye dread),
    Would ye then call upon
    Other than God?
    (reply) if ye are truthful!

    “Nay,- On Him would ye
    Call, and if it be
    His Will, He would remove
    (The distress) which occasioned
    Your call upon Him
    And ye would forget
    (the False gods) which ye
    Join with Him!

    This is how merciful Allah is, mashallah. Allah gives Polytheist and unbelievers warnings Alhamdullilah. Allah tells them that they going to Jahannam if they don't believe Allah is the only one worthy of worship. At the same time he gives them Hope with the verse above. Imagine a creation that totally ignores and rejects Allah yet Allah will still save those Polytheist that Allah deems worthy of his mercy mashallah. That is how merciful Allah is, mashallah. Allahu Akbar!

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    Re: how is allah merciful?

    Quote Originally Posted by *charisma* View Post
    The point of our existence in the Islamic perspective is to worship and submit to Allah. Anyone who does not goes to hell. I understand how this does not sit will with some people, but it's like someone gives you an office, a job, money, everything you could every possibly need to work at a great company and live a sustainable life forever and all you have to do is put the effort to be the best employee you can be. The company tells you if you go anywhere else you will surely fail because this is where the success happens. It WILL NOT happen anywhere else, even if you find some happiness in the other places. This is like Allah giving us Islam...but you reject it and say "I want to look for something else, this isn't working for me, I want to do my own thing." So now if you've rejected this company, what do they owe you? Nothing.
    Very well explained !!

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    Re: how is allah merciful?

    Really easy . You need Allah . Without HIM you are in loss . That's it !
    Human beings are always weak . Specially when it comes to questions . So it's better to say :
    Ya muqalliba al qulub thabit qalbi 'ala diinek .
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    Re: how is allah merciful?

    yes, your answers are satisfactory.

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    Re: how is allah merciful?

    Allah swt has asked us if we wanted to be a tree , or a bird or a mountain or a human ... so you chose to be a human . Now you can't say that you didn't even ask Allah to create you .
    Allah is Just .
    It's just Shaytaan the one that wants to get us out of deen and this beautiful path.

    May Allah guide us all. Amiin ya rab !!

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    Re: how is allah merciful?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khanali12 View Post
    yes, your answers are satisfactory.
    These people have really tried hard and took their time for you and all you say is its satisfactory !

    On that note - your intellect is most dissatisfactory.

    My advice to you is to read your 5 kalimas again
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    Re: how is allah merciful?

    yes akhi

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    Re: how is allah merciful?

    @Serenity

    "... I don't know why Allah created me to worship Him...."

    This is my understanding and I will try to make it as simple as I can...

    Allah made his most perfect creation. He gave us a lot of attributes. Better than the angels, we could be.. or worse than the animals (like the devil)..

    Whilst the jinns and the angels could see Allah, we cannot. Only through reason can we recognise Him. So to worship Him means that we have used our 'reason' to arrive at the conclusion that there must be a Creator and you sought Him out despite the odds. . . and as we had promised we would before we were took the plunge and became humans . .


    Last edited by greenhill; 04-04-2017 at 01:51 PM.
    how is allah merciful?

    As long as my heart does beat, I shall live, not lie
    For when my heart does stop its beat, with truth, I die.

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    Re: how is allah merciful?

    But remember Allah's status. Allah is a king and Allah's status is so unimaginably high that disobeying the law makes it that the punishment becomes more severe. Similarly, if you did an act against a king of the Dunya, the punishment becomes more severe. But a king of the Dunya's status is insignificant compared to the status of Allah.

    Waadih?

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