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    Should women have the choice to wear a veil?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cinnamonrolls1 View Post
    Hmm, yeah. what madhab do ya follow?
    My family follows the Hanafi madhab, so Hanafi.
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    Re: Women's choice on wearing hijab


    Quote Originally Posted by Serinity View Post
    My family follows the Hanafi madhab, so Hanafi.
    ahh okay, cool

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    Re: Women's choice on wearing hijab


    Quote Originally Posted by Serinity View Post
    My family follows the Hanafi madhab, so Hanafi.
    This issue is also very odd to me to be honest. When i reverted back to Islam and learned the prayer, i just went with the finger thing (forgot what it is called), later on it turned out to be how shafi madhab ..in other words it just happened Kurds are by majority follow shafi madhab. However, i do not follow specific madhab. I listen to what each madhab says and gives their argument and follow so to say what makes most sense to me. One cannot say, well i follow madhab x 100% even though i might disagree or..my heart and mind disagree with certain practices. NEVER do such a thing. All madhabs are legit and one follow of madhab x cannot say madhab y is wrong, however if they all are legit, how come some people only follow habits that only are practiced in madhab x and not pick some of madhab x and some of madhab y what your heart and mind may agree.
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    Re: Women's choice on wearing hijab


    Quote Originally Posted by Simple_Person View Post
    This issue is also very odd to me to be honest. When i reverted back to Islam and learned the prayer, i just went with the finger thing (forgot what it is called), later on it turned out to be how shafi madhab ..in other words it just happened Kurds are by majority follow shafi madhab. However, i do not follow specific madhab. I listen to what each madhab says and gives their argument and follow so to say what makes most sense to me. One cannot say, well i follow madhab x 100% even though i might disagree or..my heart and mind disagree with certain practices. NEVER do such a thing. All madhabs are legit and one follow of madhab x cannot say madhab y is wrong, however if they all are legit, how come some people only follow habits that only are practiced in madhab x and not pick some of madhab x and some of madhab y what your heart and mind may agree.
    same here tbh-i just follow whats right
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    Re: Women's choice on wearing hijab


    Quote Originally Posted by cinnamonrolls1 View Post
    same here tbh-i just follow whats right
    The finger thing, hanafi followers move the finger constantly, i find it rather distracting if i would do it myself, as your attention also has to be on your finger and control of your finger and the pace of how fast you have to move it, i only raise the finger when saying the shahada and put it down again after spoken the shahada. The rest of my body is all calm and relaxed only my mouth is open saying things and my attention is on the rest of the prayer. This makes for me more sense, than also controlling some part of the body. Some people raise their finger the whole time, but also with this ..attention needs to be given to the finger to keep it raised and there is tension on the finger which also for me personally could rather distract me and prevent me from relaxing my whole body in other words tasting the calmness of the prayer.
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    Re: Women's choice on wearing hijab


    Quote Originally Posted by Simple_Person View Post
    The finger thing, hanafi followers move the finger constantly, i find it rather distracting if i would do it myself, as your attention also has to be on your finger and control of your finger and the pace of how fast you have to move it, i only raise the finger when saying the shahada and put it down again after spoken the shahada. The rest of my body is all calm and relaxed only my mouth is open saying things and my attention is on the rest of the prayer. This makes for me more sense, than also controlling some part of the body. Some people raise their finger the whole time, but also with this ..attention needs to be given to the finger to keep it raised and there is tension on the finger which also for me personally could rather distract me and prevent me from relaxing my whole body in other words tasting the calmness of the prayer.
    I don't move my finger constantly. I just have the index finger pointed like we all do.

    I don't know much about the Hanafi madhab. I just follow Qur'aan and the Sunnah through a madhab. I do not follow Haneefah RA but I follow the Prophet Muhammad

    In regards to the index finger, I do just as you do, point the index finger when saying the Shahadah, and then leveling it down again.
    Allahu alam.
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    Re: Women's choice on wearing hijab


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    Should women have the choice to wear a veil?



    Surat ul Ahzaab, Surah no 33, ayah 36

    Some translations:

    Sahih International
    It is not for a believing man or a believing woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decided a matter, that they should [thereafter] have any choice about their affair. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger has certainly strayed into clear error.

    Muhsin Khan
    It is not for a believer, man or woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decreed a matter that they should have any option in their decision. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he has indeed strayed in a plain error.

    Pickthall
    And it becometh not a believing man or a believing woman, when Allah and His messenger have decided an affair (for them), that they should (after that) claim any say in their affair; and whoso is rebellious to Allah and His messenger, he verily goeth astray in error manifest.

    Yusuf Ali
    It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messenger to have any option about their decision: if any one disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he is indeed on a clearly wrong Path.

    Abdul Haleem
    When God and His Messenger have decided on a matter that concerns them, it is not fitting for any believing man or woman to claim freedom of choice in that matter: whoever disobeys God and His Messenger is far astray.

    Mufti Taqi Usmani
    It is not open for a believing man or a believing woman, once Allah and His messenger have decided a thing, that they should have a choice about their matter; and whoever disobeys Allah and His messenger, he indeed gets off the track, falling into an open error.

    Abul Ala Maududi(With tafsir)
    It does not behove a believer, male or female, that when Allah and His Messenger have decided an affair they should exercise their choice. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger has strayed to manifest error.


    Brief Tafsir from Tafseer Ibn Kathir:


    .....This Ayah is general in meaning and applies to all matters, i.e., if Allah and His Messenger decreed a matter, no one has the right to go against that, and no one has any choice or room for personal opinion in this case. Allah says:

    ﴿فَلاَ وَرَبِّكَ لاَ يُؤْمِنُونَ حَتَّى يُحَكِّمُوكَ فِيمَا شَجَرَ بَيْنَهُمْ ثُمَّ لاَ يَجِدُواْ فِى أَنفُسِهِمْ حَرَجاً مِّمَّا قَضَيْتَ وَيُسَلِّمُواْ تَسْلِيماً ﴾

    (But no, by your Lord, they can have no faith, until they make you judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept (them) with full submission.) (4:65) Hence the issue of going against it is addressed in such strong terms, as Allah says:

    ﴿وَمَن يَعْصِ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ فَقَدْ ضَلَّ ضَلَـلاً مُّبِيناً﴾

    (And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he has indeed strayed into a plain error.) This is like the Ayah:

    ﴿فَلْيَحْذَرِ الَّذِينَ يُخَـلِفُونَ عَنْ أَمْرِهِ أَن تُصِيبَهُمْ فِتْنَةٌ أَوْ يُصِيبَهُمْ عَذَابٌ أَلِيمٌ﴾

    (And let those who oppose the Messenger's commandment, beware, lest some Fitnah should befall them or a painful torment be inflicted on them) (24:63).

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    Re: Women's choice on wearing hijab




    For a muslim who knows their deen, there is no choice in the matter. Allah commanded us to pray 5 times a day - we have no choice but to do it.
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    Re: Women's choice on wearing hijab


    Assalamu alaykum,

    In Islam, in matters which are fardh upon us, we have no choice because Allah swt has *commanded* us to do that. Islam means 'voluntary submission' - if as Muslims we truly submit ourselves to Allah swt, then we will be sincere in doing what is compulsory upon us. Anyone who doesn't do what is fardh, such as hijab or salah, hasn't yet reached a full understanding of Islam or our duties as a Muslim - may Allah swt guide us all.

    I'm not sure what the opinion is when it comes to humans forcing another human to observe hijab or salah. If someone does it because of anther human, and not out of sincere obedience to Allah swt, would it be accepted?

    I think the root lies in educating the Muslim community - I'm quite sure few would wilfully disobey Allah swt in such important parts of our deen if they truly understood their importance.

    btw, about the niqab - there seem to be two opinions. 1 - it is not fardh but highly recommended. 2 - it is compulsory especially in times of fitnah. I don't wear the niqab, but I respect both opinions.
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