Is Islam a Feminist Religion?

format_quote Originally Posted by islamocurious

Is Islam a Feminist Religion?

Can't say, "feminism" is such an imprecise, charged term nowadays.

format_quote Originally Posted by islamocurious

We may have something in common in that I also do not agree with this 3rd wave feminism. For eg. Hijabis calling themselves feminist who are focused on their right to COVER in the hijab, niqab, burqua, etc, in the West, whilst sisters in Islamic countries are being beaten, jailed, are having acid thrown in their faces or even killed for not covering. Not to mention the ignorant so-called feminists who support them.

Why is the existence of forced covering in certain Islamic countries of any relevance for the question of Western Muslims' right to choose whether to cover?

format_quote Originally Posted by beleiver

I would be as bold to say that back in his day in the context of how women were treated, Mohamed was a feminist..Way ahead of his time..

What happened? Guardians and forced full face veils and insane dress codes? Anyone seen the clip of school girls being herded with a stick like cattle while waiting for their guardians?

Where does God permit such treatment of women, couldn't find it in my Quran..

I assume you are referring to this clip?(looked it up on youtube)



Bruh, the biggest issue right now is that parents are Muslims and tell their kids you are also Muslims and must follow those rulings. I am not saying this to defend them, because i myself was one of those. Born as a Muslim, turned in to an atheist and by own research again became Muslim by CHOICE. Islam is not afraid of questions. Muslims have become sheep. They don't know anything, they don't want to know anything or want to understand anything. Go in one of their homes you see them as zombies watching tv the whole day. NO INTELLECTUAL talks among them, and because there is nothing intellectual to say, many start gossiping, or with men talking about politics (shallow analysis with that also) and money.

Back as an atheist, i asked my mother why is half of the moon light and the other half dark? She answered God knows. Even now about 11 years later i once asked my own mother why doesn't she learn Arabic and read Arabic so that she can read the Qur'an herself as my own sisters is teacher of the Arabic language and lives with her as she is still unmarried. She dismissed me to be quite. My other family members just the same, they repeat things the imaam has said and when i ask them where in the Qur'an or hadith it is written, they say i am not a scholar... While Islam tells us Muslims to first confirm what you have heard before telling it to another person. During khutbah (Friday preaching) people come outside and it is as if they have put their fingers in their ears the WHOLE time. They hear the khatib (the person preaching), but they are not listening to what he is saying.

Many of those school girls don't know Islam, but more importantly don't understand even little bit of Islam and the parents are to be blamed if you ask me as majority are sheep that follow culture. As a Muslim myself when i came to the west before before becoming an atheist back then, some people said "as-salamu alaykum"(peace be upon you), i did NOT KNOW what that meant or what i have to reply to them. Even at the age of 26 as an atheist back then i did still not know what it meant.

As i live by myself i have thrown my own culture out of my house. I try to follow only Islamic principles. Be kind to your neighbors, smile, greet, have a talk, share food. Start the greeting, don't be envious, don't gossip and if somebody gossips defend the one who is being talked behind his back even though he might be Muslim or person of other faith. As he/she is still my brother/sister through Adam(as). Don't judge, be kind to all people of all faiths, help people if they need any help or even not asking any help but you see they could use some help. Be grateful for what you have, don't complain, be grateful for every weather situation you get as there is blessing in every one of them, don't buy things that you don't need, don't throw away food, don't waste water, be kind to animals, share food with animals if the animal is looking at you eating something, give the animals (cat) at least a rub over it's head, don't contaminate nature..etc. etc. etc.

So for you at least that I AM saying this as a Muslim myself should be a thing to be confused about what is going on. My local mosque every time a knowledgeable imaam comes there to stay there but is more knowledgeable about Islam than those uncles that pray there, some try to get him out of there. As some feel threatened that they are no more the most knowledgeable people in the mosque.

In the 3 years that i am going to that mosque i have now witnessed that the current imaam being the 7th imaam.

format_quote Originally Posted by beleiver

Simple_person, yes that was the vid..

The problems you describe are not limited to Muslims, i dont like the word sheep or sheeple (but i do use it a lot) as it implies a kind of superiority, but the truth is most people are brain washed by corporate/state media and that includes much of the so called 'alternative' media these days, but at the end of the day truth is superior to ignorance no matter unpleasant that truth might be..

Its funny, as one of the things that made me question the ongoing hate towards Islam and realize the lies, is on my travels years ago before 911 was the number of young western women i knew and met that lived in Muslim countries with Muslim partners, the ones i knew would of most certainly thought of them selves as feminists..

There are many other subjects that give me faith in Islam other than that and the principles you mention, the issue of Debt, usury, monopolies, hoarding, gambling, evictions and squatters rights, feeding the poor and helpless..None of which seems to be talked about much by Muslims and are possibly ignored due to conflict of interests? or perhaps just plain ignorance? These issues are probably more pressing and relevant today as the day the Quran was written, if one is serious about making a stand against evil..The same issues that lead to the manipulation of our media and the exploitation of Gods creation by corporate greed and the endless wars.

I think another problem Islam has no one seems to want to talk about is Whabbism and the notion of Sovereigns other than God..Reeks of the hypocrisy of faith Jesus talked about..But these nation states and 'kingdoms' that promote such ideology are strongly aligned with the synagogue of Satan / Zionism, could they be destroying Islam from within by design?

Or is this too touchy a subject?

In Islam there is absolutely NO "too touchy" or even a "touchy" subject. I have tried to debunk Islam myself, but i am just a too honest person to not admit when i am wrong. Every time i have tried to attack Islam in the past by philosophically attacking it as i love thinking in philosophical depth, it showed me my place and put me to shame how shallow my thinking was.

There is a hadith that Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), has said that about Islam that it will branch in 73 sects, 72 will enter hell fire and 1 will enter paradise. Islam is so flexible, compassionate and honest in dealing with all kind of problems. The whole Wahhabism does NOT exist. This is made to appear so. STOP, don't get confused, let me explain what i mean.

Wahhabism is only meant for the people not for the Saudi house itself as if one could say to further get people away from islam. To give you an example.

Google "Ameera al-Taweel", this "Saudi princess" shows everything that western society one could say stands for. The Saudi kingdom only is pursuing worldly gain. Right now Salman ibn Saud (current king of Saudi Arabia) and another brother of him i believe but from another mother is alive. Those are the LAST 2 sons of the first ruler of Saudi Arabia. There are many talks about that within the Saudi house there are fights. Till now one brother took over from the other, so from now on if those all die, who will take over? Many Muslims are waiting for the chaos to start and explode/implode or what you want to call. The Saudi's if real Islamic law was implemented in Saudi Arabia, the first that would be trialed would be the rulers. As they have been allied with many countries that have been killing Muslims over and over. Like you also mentioned with Satanism and Zionism.

So this Wahhabism, is not what majority of Muslims are practicing. The Saudi's came up with it, but they themselves are not even living by this code. Muslims have too much to deal themselves with in their own place instead of looking elsewhere what is going on in this case whole wahhabism. The coming 10-15 years will i believe rock Muslim world on all fronts.

Islam cannot be destroyed from within, they(Free masons) are trying and Zionists are trying also. However look how that is going . Instead many people are becoming Muslims. The world is being divided in two categories. People who are slowly becoming Muslims and people who know Islam is the truth, but reject it.

My theory is as follows. This whole division will go on the coming years. Media and internet are spreading Islam far and wide. Negative or positive, at least Islam and Muslims. We humans are by nature very curious and investigate things. However investigating something might be hard, but also that is taken care of. Just from our lazy chair at home (internet). At the end EVERY person will have had the message of Islam. It only takes 1 lie for somebody who has believed a liar to distrust him and search for what really is the truth. So those Islam haters they are spreading 1000 lies, but only 1 lie to be known is necessary to turn somebody 180 degrees. We believe in Islam that a person will come that will unite Muslims. This person is the Mahdi. However my theory is also that he will untangle many things Christians, Jews, atheist, agnostics etc. are having, not by miracles or so.. just normal speech and in that direction. Humans in reality are just divided in two categories, honest and dishonest people. When this has happened and the ones that still through logic, rationality and reason still have not joined this person, than after that Dajjal (anti-Christ) will be let lose.

The time that Dajjal(anti-Christ) will arrive, it is NO LONGER the issue of seeing with the eyes what is truth, but believing what you have believed with your heart. Anti-Christ will show miracles and things Muslims, Christians, Jews, Atheist, Agnostics you name it that are DISHONEST, will follow him (anti-Christ). In the end dajjal will declare he is God and people will off course believe him. In Islam this being shirk and this is the only sin that Allah does not forgive. In other words, when Day of Judgement starts those people will have NOTHING to stand on, as EVERY SIGN was given to them yet they did not believe. BTW, Jesus(as) and his second coming, killing the anti-Christ.

So right now the more i observe the more i see two camps are being created. Hypocrites among Muslims are getting separated from Muslims as they finally have their so called "reason" to leave Islam, with the coming of ISIS and such. Among Christians you also see those hypocrites that leave Christianity under the pretext ..religion is evil pointing at ISIS. There are some Christians, that reject Jesus being son of God, but they still believe in a God as they are still honest.

The so called "democracy" is even shown that is is nothing but modern dictatorship as the illusion of freedom is portrayed(brexit, trump, referendums etc.). Western societies are killing themselves from within. More is done to not have children, but go all out on doing wrong things. Feminism has caused MGTOW (Men going Their Own Way also since 2013 or so) to rise and thus more men distancing themselves from marriage or relationships in general. Who need war with the west, if they are killing themselves right? Back in 2013 when i embraced Islam by choice and now almost 4 years later, it almost looked like as if i have been living under a rock. The last 4 years have SUDDENLY gone SO FAST. Just when i distanced myself from social media, tv and many things in society, ISIS a year later showed up, Tinder kind of insane stuff showed up, the amount of suicide are still keep on rising, transgenderism in the last 3-4 years have come out of NOWHERE, homosexuality suddenly was being accepted and implemented within these few years worldwide. The people that i knew around me that lived their lives suddenly have become more practicing like myself, NATO-Russia problems rising more, Saudi-Yemen-Iran rising, many people worldwide started protesting more. The amount of Islam haters rising.

Again..all these things within just a few years. Whole mess with Syria..i am shocked by how fast things have been going. The train left in 2001(false flag attack) slowly gaining speed, Arab spring(i believe also financed by free masonry or some sort), all these things have been going very fast. I have the feeling that 2020 the train will get almost up to full speed and things will change so fast for the worse, that if you haven't read the news within a few months such drastic changes will occur that one could say where did that come from?

So as you yourself, as it looks like you are not Muslim, i would say go study Islam do what you need to do, ask what you need to ask. Islam has no hidden agenda to fool anybody. The train has left, but you can still so to say catch it while running after it. Not trying to scare you or convert you as i am not gaining anything if you embrace Islam or not, but i am shocked by how fast things suddenly are going.

Feminism was big with the Soviets and they followed Marxism. Islam follows Allah through the Holy Quran NOT Karl Marx. So Muslims that call themselves "feminists" are apostates or heretics. In the West the people that believe in feminism are usually Godless lefty liberal Marxists while the people that don't are usually conservative Christians and pagans.

format_quote Originally Posted by Karl

Feminism was big with the Soviets and they followed Marxism.

Actually is Marxism-Leninism, which differs significantly from (orthodox) Marxism.

format_quote Originally Posted by Simple_Person

In Islam there is absolutely NO "too touchy" or even a "touchy" subject. I have tried to debunk Islam myself, but i am just a too honest person to not admit when i am wrong. Every time i have tried to attack Islam in the past by philosophically attacking it as i love thinking in philosophical depth, it showed me my place and put me to shame how shallow my thinking was.

First off thanks for your reply, it was what i need to hear where i am right now on my journey..I started out life hating religion, my breakthrough came when i learned i would never find the truth when i had hate in my heart, and as a truth seeker that was long time reading books about the other side of history, banking, political manipulations, spirituality etc it was a major step forward that led me to God and Islam. Removing hate from my mind, self reflection and seeking forgiveness from that great spirit in the sky was probably THE most positive thing that happened in my life..This was before i was online. Since i have spent many years on so called truther/spiritual forums where the subject of Islam was a hot topic..In all those years of debate and investigation my conclusion is as you say, the basic core teachings of Islam cant be debunked neither can the message of Jesus, as it is the Truth.
Whats more is these forums were once frequented by a lot of Muslims, not only were they mostly awake genuine truth seekers i admired their respectful style of debate, very seldom did they resort to insults and name calling no matter the lies, insults and abuse hurled at them, they were simply not hateful people..
I learned a lot from those forums, possibly the most significant being that with out that divine guidance from God you wont get while hate dwells in ones heart people are hopelessly led astray from the Truth. Those forums are now virtually dead having being over run by want of a better word fascists, Nationalists and Nazis and haters..There is an obvious far right wing corporate agenda being pushed, not only by corporate media but so called alternative media, the nonbelievers that seek the truth are mostly falling for it hook line and sinker.

format_quote Originally Posted by Simple_Person

There is a hadith that Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), has said that about Islam that it will branch in 73 sects, 72 will enter hell fire and 1 will enter paradise. Islam is so flexible, compassionate and honest in dealing with all kind of problems. The whole Wahhabism does NOT exist. This is made to appear so. STOP, don't get confused, let me explain what i mean.

Wahhabism is only meant for the people not for the Saudi house itself as if one could say to further get people away from islam. To give you an example.

Google "Ameera al-Taweel", this "Saudi princess" shows everything that western society one could say stands for. The Saudi kingdom only is pursuing worldly gain. Right now Salman ibn Saud (current king of Saudi Arabia) and another brother of him i believe but from another mother is alive. Those are the LAST 2 sons of the first ruler of Saudi Arabia. There are many talks about that within the Saudi house there are fights. Till now one brother took over from the other, so from now on if those all die, who will take over? Many Muslims are waiting for the chaos to start and explode/implode or what you want to call. The Saudi's if real Islamic law was implemented in Saudi Arabia, the first that would be trialed would be the rulers. As they have been allied with many countries that have been killing Muslims over and over. Like you also mentioned with Satanism and Zionism.

So this Wahhabism, is not what majority of Muslims are practicing. The Saudi's came up with it, but they themselves are not even living by this code. Muslims have too much to deal themselves with in their own place instead of looking elsewhere what is going on in this case whole wahhabism. The coming 10-15 years will i believe rock Muslim world on all fronts.

Islam cannot be destroyed from within, they(Free masons) are trying and Zionists are trying also. However look how that is going . Instead many people are becoming Muslims. The world is being divided in two categories. People who are slowly becoming Muslims and people who know Islam is the truth, but reject it

To me Masons are like the foot soldiers of a darker more sinister groups, like for example Jesuits, Hitler was Jesuit, Trump is the first major world leader since..Back in the 1930s when fascism was on the rise its no surprise the most fascist form of Islam was being enthroned in the home of Islam,at the same time Brits were also secretly bank rolling Mussolini..I theorize it was the people of Europe of the day that rejected fascism not the British and other elites, Mosley never got the popular support they wanted, they were forced to give us a softer version in the guise of party political democracy but it was/is in effect corporate government..
Islams message is too clear and strong imho for its followers to fully fall to this ideology..How can it when God is the sovereign, the lord, the protector that has no partners and intermediaries beside him?

format_quote Originally Posted by Simple_Person

My theory is as follows. This whole division will go on the coming years. Media and internet are spreading Islam far and wide. Negative or positive, at least Islam and Muslims. We humans are by nature very curious and investigate things. However investigating something might be hard, but also that is taken care of. Just from our lazy chair at home (internet). At the end EVERY person will have had the message of Islam. It only takes 1 lie for somebody who has believed a liar to distrust him and search for what really is the truth. So those Islam haters they are spreading 1000 lies, but only 1 lie to be known is necessary to turn somebody 180 degrees. We believe in Islam that a person will come that will unite Muslims. This person is the Mahdi. However my theory is also that he will untangle many things Christians, Jews, atheist, agnostics etc. are having, not by miracles or so.. just normal speech and in that direction. Humans in reality are just divided in two categories, honest and dishonest people. When this has happened and the ones that still through logic, rationality and reason still have not joined this person, than after that Dajjal (anti-Christ) will be let lose.

The time that Dajjal(anti-Christ) will arrive, it is NO LONGER the issue of seeing with the eyes what is truth, but believing what you have believed with your heart. Anti-Christ will show miracles and things Muslims, Christians, Jews, Atheist, Agnostics you name it that are DISHONEST, will follow him (anti-Christ). In the end dajjal will declare he is God and people will off course believe him. In Islam this being shirk and this is the only sin that Allah does not forgive. In other words, when Day of Judgement starts those people will have NOTHING to stand on, as EVERY SIGN was given to them yet they did not believe. BTW, Jesus(as) and his second coming, killing the anti-Christ.

Interesting theory, sounds about right, I suppose i am here seeking truth as a believer in part for the reasons you suggest ..The end times are nigh upon us, i am sure..The bold bit imho is our only protection..Remind me of a tweet i just liked, something along the lines of, if Islam is in your head but hate is in your heart , your missing the point completely..I think even Muslims will be mislead in these deceptive times unless that point is realized..Revelations implies only the faithful and True will survive, I personally dont see anyone that hates and cant forgive, able to be faithful and true.

format_quote Originally Posted by Simple_Person

So right now the more i observe the more i see two camps are being created. Hypocrites among Muslims are getting separated from Muslims as they finally have their so called "reason" to leave Islam, with the coming of ISIS and such. Among Christians you also see those hypocrites that leave Christianity under the pretext ..religion is evil pointing at ISIS. There are some Christians, that reject Jesus being son of God, but they still believe in a God as they are still honest.

The so called "democracy" is even shown that is is nothing but modern dictatorship as the illusion of freedom is portrayed(brexit, trump, referendums etc.). Western societies are killing themselves from within. More is done to not have children, but go all out on doing wrong things. Feminism has caused MGTOW (Men going Their Own Way also since 2013 or so) to rise and thus more men distancing themselves from marriage or relationships in general. Who need war with the west, if they are killing themselves right? Back in 2013 when i embraced Islam by choice and now almost 4 years later, it almost looked like as if i have been living under a rock. The last 4 years have SUDDENLY gone SO FAST. Just when i distanced myself from social media, tv and many things in society, ISIS a year later showed up, Tinder kind of insane stuff showed up, the amount of suicide are still keep on rising, transgenderism in the last 3-4 years have come out of NOWHERE, homosexuality suddenly was being accepted and implemented within these few years worldwide. The people that i knew around me that lived their lives suddenly have become more practicing like myself, NATO-Russia problems rising more, Saudi-Yemen-Iran rising, many people worldwide started protesting more. The amount of Islam haters rising.

They are intent on destroying the family unit i am sure, with out that strong bond they have us more dependent on the corporate state that will help them get the masses to accept fascism..Feminism at its core is sound enough, so are aspects of socialism even communism and democracy, Satan and Jin with that sneaking whisper will attempt to pervert and covert anything and everything good, like it has with Islam using Whabbism ..
Feminism for example was used to get women working so the state had double the income tax and mothers weaker bonds with their children, as revealed in the film 'freedom to fascism, where it was admitted to the director by David Rockefeller..

format_quote Originally Posted by Simple_Person

Again..all these things within just a few years. Whole mess with Syria..i am shocked by how fast things have been going. The train left in 2001(false flag attack) slowly gaining speed, Arab spring(i believe also financed by free masonry or some sort), all these things have been going very fast. I have the feeling that 2020 the train will get almost up to full speed and things will change so fast for the worse, that if you haven't read the news within a few months such drastic changes will occur that one could say where did that come from?

So as you yourself, as it looks like you are not Muslim, i would say go study Islam do what you need to do, ask what you need to ask. Islam has no hidden agenda to fool anybody. The train has left, but you can still so to say catch it while running after it. Not trying to scare you or convert you as i am not gaining anything if you embrace Islam or not, but i am shocked by how fast things suddenly are going.

No I dont identify as a Muslim just yet..I am a tad slow and preoccupied by life in general to spend the time i would like researching, I am starting to pray more and now using Islams prayer methods and phrases, but in English for now.
Inshalla i will find time to learn the Arabic and get in a routine..

There are more points i would like to discuss, but my kids just back from school, and we gone a bit off topic, another thread another day..

May gods blessing be upon you for your time in replying , it was of help..

format_quote Originally Posted by beleiver

First off thanks for your reply, it was what i need to hear where i am right now on my journey..I started out life hating religion, my breakthrough came when i learned i would never find the truth when i had hate in my heart, and as a truth seeker that was long time reading books about the other side of history, banking, political manipulations, spirituality etc it was a major step forward that led me to God and Islam. Removing hate from my mind, self reflection and seeking forgiveness from that great spirit in the sky was probably THE most positive thing that happened in my life..This was before i was online. Since i have spent many years on so called truther/spiritual forums where the subject of Islam was a hot topic..In all those years of debate and investigation my conclusion is as you say, the basic core teachings of Islam cant be debunked neither can the message of Jesus, as it is the Truth.
Whats more is these forums were once frequented by a lot of Muslims, not only were they mostly awake genuine truth seekers i admired their respectful style of debate, very seldom did they resort to insults and name calling no matter the lies, insults and abuse hurled at them, they were simply not hateful people..
I learned a lot from those forums, possibly the most significant being that with out that divine guidance from God you wont get while hate dwells in ones heart people are hopelessly led astray from the Truth. Those forums are now virtually dead having being over run by want of a better word fascists, Nationalists and Nazis and haters..There is an obvious far right wing corporate agenda being pushed, not only by corporate media but so called alternative media, the nonbelievers that seek the truth are mostly falling for it hook line and sinker.

This i also have experienced myself. Although hatred not towards religion, but towards a certain individual. In just a half year, my life went 180 degrees. Back then my whole "believe" or rather "want i wanted to be the truth"-believe was all surrounding about aliens and such. However later on Islam even answered this question for me . As iblies will try whatever in his power to led human beings astray. Jinn are even capable to changing shape. When i embraced Islam, i still had some questions about the whole skull findings about so called "prehistoric human beings", however Allah knew what was in my heart and also within months the answer to that was also given to me. Many atheists don't reveal everything, they only discuss what they want to discuss and subjects that they cannot explain with certainty they keep their mouth shut about. I am absolutely disgusted with this dishonest behavior.

You are also 100% right about when hate OR dishonesty resides in your heart in this case towards Islam, you will not see it. This to this day puzzles me greatly how such a thing is possible. I have tried by all means to explain Islam to some people, but you see those people either they are dishonest and don't want to admit OR they are honest but not really interested. In both cases they just can't see it. It is like i am having a stone in my hand and i tell that person look at this stone in my hand and they can't see it. I am amazed by this. I am also very grateful to know about this fact, because discussion with people i can more easily be wrapped up. If a person is not able to follow you are because of 3 things so far i have concluded.

- That person knows Islam is the truth, but is dishonest. In this category i also believe people who have hatred and other negative emotions towards religion in general. As they are open to discuss it, but for the sake of bashing it.
- That person is honest, but not really interested in seeking for the truth. This category is not even interested in talking about religion all together.
- I just suck in explaining it. Some people with just slightly different kind of wording or way better in explaining can reach them, although i am not able. I have also acknowledged that i also may be the cause of it. So in those cases i let it rest and leave it up to Allah to put somebody else on their path that is better than me in explaining it.

To me Masons are like the foot soldiers of a darker more sinister groups, like for example Jesuits, Hitler was Jesuit, Trump is the first major world leader since..Back in the 1930s when fascism was on the rise its no surprise the most fascist form of Islam was being enthroned in the home of Islam,at the same time Brits were also secretly bank rolling Mussolini..I theorize it was the people of Europe of the day that rejected fascism not the British and other elites, Mosley never got the popular support they wanted, they were forced to give us a softer version in the guise of party political democracy but it was/is in effect corporate government..
Islams message is too clear and strong imho for its followers to fully fall to this ideology..How can it when God is the sovereign, the lord, the protector that has no partners and intermediaries beside him?

There are so many groups, i am not sure who is who. Although i have the feeling that those groups somehow obey 1 group. Thank you about mentioning Jesuit, i have never heard about them. Indeed the biggest issue with Islam is, Islam is very clear about major things and only differs with minor things. For example, usury is usury. Islam is as clear as daylight about those kind of things. Also injustice all those things it is very clear. Even women covering up and law. This is a needle in the eye for those groups. They have tried their utmost best to create a "moderate" version of Islam, although Islam already is moderate, Muslim tend to go extreme, not Islam. However many moderate Muslims are even being divided in the present day. They either because of groups like ISIS start to learn and investigate their own religion and thus become more practicing OR they leave the religion all together. In either way Islam wins. Better have quality Muslims than quantity Muslims right .

Interesting theory, sounds about right, I suppose i am here seeking truth as a believer in part for the reasons you suggest ..The end times are nigh upon us, i am sure..The bold bit imho is our only protection..Remind me of a tweet i just liked, something along the lines of, if Islam is in your head but hate is in your heart , your missing the point completely..I think even Muslims will be mislead in these deceptive times unless that point is realized..Revelations implies only the faithful and True will survive, I personally dont see anyone that hates and cant forgive, able to be faithful and true.

Well right now i mean we can have a RESPECTABLE logical, rational, reasonable discussion based on evidence. This is all about the mind. Islam is not afraid of question. However when dajjal (anti-Christ) arrives) it is all about having strong believe in your heart. Also i think i have not made it clear that MANY people will follow him, Christians, Jews, Atheists, agnostics ALSO MUSLIMS!! Nobody is safe for him. In Islam we know that when he comes he will ask you i believe to drink from either one of the rivers he has with him. One looks like a river of lava and one looks like a river of cold nice water. It not only looks like it, but also feels like it. However it is not what it seems like. The Muslim must close his eyes and drink from the river of lava as that is the true cold and nice water. While the other is lava. He will also bring a hell with him and a paradise with him. His hell is paradise and his paradise is hell. So also if you must jump, jump in the one that looks like hell. So there is no more what you see that you follow, but strongly follow your believe. The people that have not follow with honesty or with conviction a certain believe, they will fall for his trap. In Islam there is something called imaan (faith) this resides in the heart. The stronger your faith is, the easily you submit. So also in this case when he brings a river of hell, your full submission to God and have full trust in Him you drink from the river that LOOKS AND FEELS like lava until you drink from it.

They are intent on destroying the family unit i am sure, with out that strong bond they have us more dependent on the corporate state that will help them get the masses to accept fascism..Feminism at its core is sound enough, so are aspects of socialism even communism and democracy, Satan and Jin with that sneaking whisper will attempt to pervert and covert anything and everything good, like it has with Islam using Whabbism ..
Feminism for example was used to get women working so the state had double the income tax and mothers weaker bonds with their children, as revealed in the film 'freedom to fascism, where it was admitted to the director by David Rockefeller..

Indeed they are trying to tip off things that are straight going, like a family unit. Also with Islam introducing different kind of "Islam"-versions. This all is to confuse people, that they just stop looking in to Islam because of so much confusion. However for the truth seeker, guidance for sure comes and there is no confusion in Islam. Even though so many sects, truth is very clear among all of the different views.

No I dont identify as a Muslim just yet..I am a tad slow and preoccupied by life in general to spend the time i would like researching, I am starting to pray more and now using Islams prayer methods and phrases, but in English for now.
Inshalla i will find time to learn the Arabic and get in a routine..

There are more points i would like to discuss, but my kids just back from school, and we gone a bit off topic, another thread another day..

May gods blessing be upon you for your time in replying , it was of help..

Whatever question you have about Islam, ask the Creator for guidance and answers of your questions. My advice for you on that, keep your eyes open. Some times the answer comes just as you are sitting in your car and pondering about things. Keep your eyes open, keep your heart open, all those answers will come from places you don't expect.

If you have any free time, spend it searching it and investigating things. However, have a balanced approach, your family also have rights over you, so do not neglect your children/wife as some might do. But remember again, that your Lord has also rights over you. So balanced approach.

You know where to find us and with all honesty although i am even a new member, i have become very fond of this forum. Very friendly and respectable people here.

Peace and take care.

Islam teaches that a woman should stay at home and obey her husband - Feminism teaches that a woman is free to do / to go whatever/wherever she wants.
Islam teaches that a man can have 4 wifes and a woman can have only 1 - Feminism teaches that it is wrong to have 4 wifes because according to them men and women are equal

So NO, Islam will never be feminist.

format_quote Originally Posted by beleiver

I would be as bold to say that back in his day in the context of how women were treated, Mohamed was a feminist..Way ahead of his time..

The Prophet Muhammed stood up for all groups who were oppressed during the jahiliyah, he brought justice and brought the oppressors to heel. He stood up for and improved the situation of women, slaves, and the poor. Yet, he did not abolish patriarchy, slavery or capitalism. On the contrary, he was himself a patriarch, a slaveowner and a capitalist. One could just as well use his example to make an endorsement of conservatism.

Islam is not allow us to compare our self with non-Muslims because Islam is a complete religion!
It is not a Feminist religion Islam has various laws for Muslim women that make them very comfortable and save in their home.

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