If and when an Islamic system is established,the Islamic State is obliged to cut off a Thief's Hand.
One may say,that is unjust or brutal.
The answer to this is that you lack knowledge.
I mentioned above that it requires an Islamic System to be established.
So I ask.
What does an Islamic System consist of?
The Islamic System,when implemented in its ideal form,contains something called 'Bait-ul-Mal'.
It is state treasury and it provides free food and daily necessities to the poor.
Meaning that under any ideal Islamic System,Any poor man will have access to Food atleast.
SECONDLY.
Under an Islam System.Muslims are obliged to pay Zakaat to the poor.So that person is getting Food from Bait ul Mal.And he is also getting money from Zakaat.Something that may even enable him to live a happy life.
So I ask you.
When he has access to all these things and it is certain that he will get food and he may even live happily,
WHY IS HE STEALING?
To rob other people of their property?
Keep in Mind,that a person who STEALS OUT OF NEED IS EXEMPTED.Meaning if he stole to get money for a medical operation for his mother,HE IS EXEMPTED.
THIRDLY.
This punishment has to be carried out by the State only and not by Normal People.
FORTHLY.
There is a fixed amount for cutting hand.Meaning if he steals under that specefic amount,His Hand will not be cut.
This amount for which a thief's hand is cut is given in the link below. https://islamqa.info/en/239920
As far as I know those who steal because of lack of money to feed their families are treated differently from those who steal out of greed.
Which is why the ruling on this is actually quite understandable. Why should somebody be allowed steal from another if he has enough to provide him/herself? Why would this person be allowed to live a normal life after he/she has already proven that he/she does not want to put any effort into increasing the wealth of the people in general but rather cheating himself through while stepping on others. Today's world is not much different, as many countries and its citizens live in wealth other countries and its citizens are paying the bill. As African children die because of drought others live off the cheap gold that is mined in those countries. They buy that gold with weapons and artillery so that a domestic gang can keep the people poor and uneducated. This way the poor remain poor and the rich remain rich. The laws of the West have led to such a world where people die every single second out of poverty yet people complain about a hand of a criminal or the head of murderer.
Meaning of Shirk according to The Qur'an
" Worshipping anyone or anything besides Allah " or " distributing anything exclusive to Allah, to anyone or anything else "
Meaning of Tawheed according to The Qur'an Worshipping none but Allah. Affirming whatever is exclusive to Him, Him alone.
The problem is that not everybody is a Muslim, and not all Muslims abide to the islamqa Salafi perspective. It is unfair to impose your personal convictions onto others, especially if you are the minority in the area. At least in a democracy, everybody gets to have a voice, and education is strongly encouraged since better informed citizens tend to make better decisions.
Don't worry, there is no REAL democracy in the world. Just republics and parliamentary monarchies. It doesn't matter if a state is far left or centrist or far right, the same old pyramid of power is the same. The few control the many. "Democracy" is a farce because the failures of the government is never accountable to the voters and politicians are liars. It is good in some ways that it is a false democracy because the majority of people are idiots. But I wish the overlords were not such a bunch of social engineering control freaks.
Cutting the hand off a thief is pretty soft compared to what they did in medieval Europe. Those Hammer Christians had a strange interpretation of the mercy of Christ.
Don't worry, there is no REAL democracy in the world. Just republics and parliamentary monarchies. It doesn't matter if a state is far left or centrist or far right, the same old pyramid of power is the same. The few control the many. "Democracy" is a farce because the failures of the government is never accountable to the voters and politicians are liars. It is good in some ways that it is a false democracy because the majority of people are idiots. But I wish the overlords were not such a bunch of social engineering control freaks.
Cutting the hand off a thief is pretty soft compared to what they did in medieval Europe. Those Hammer Christians had a strange interpretation of the mercy of Christ.
Don't worry, there is no REAL democracy in the world. Just republics and parliamentary monarchies. It doesn't matter if a state is far left or centrist or far right, the same old pyramid of power is the same. The few control the many. "Democracy" is a farce because the failures of the government is never accountable to the voters and politicians are liars. It is good in some ways that it is a false democracy because the majority of people are idiots. But I wish the overlords were not such a bunch of social engineering control freaks.
Cutting the hand off a thief is pretty soft compared to what they did in medieval Europe. Those Hammer Christians had a strange interpretation of the mercy of Christ.
The problem is that not everybody is a Muslim, and not all Muslims abide to the islamqa Salafi perspective. It is unfair to impose your personal convictions onto others, especially if you are the minority in the area. At least in a democracy, everybody gets to have a voice, and education is strongly encouraged since better informed citizens tend to make better decisions.
Well, God's will be done and since the world is not a Caliphate but a chaotic mess, maybe that is God's will. Or Satan's lease has not run out yet? Who knows?
And "education" seems to be a lot of brainwashing to think a certain way. The politically correct way the new world order way. People are waking up to this fact. The movie "The Matrix" was a satire about this.
Don't bring things up if you don't know what they mean
I know very well what the term 'democracy' means. I am letting you look it up for yourself as I find that there is nothing better than self-education for people like you.
Don't worry, there is no REAL democracy in the world. Just republics and parliamentary monarchies. It doesn't matter if a state is far left or centrist or far right, the same old pyramid of power is the same. The few control the many. "Democracy" is a farce because the failures of the government is never accountable to the voters and politicians are liars. It is good in some ways that it is a false democracy because the majority of people are idiots. But I wish the overlords were not such a bunch of social engineering control freaks. Cutting the hand off a thief is pretty soft compared to what they did in medieval Europe.Those Hammer Christians had a strange interpretation of the mercy of Christ.
What we have are indirect democracies where we choose representatives that are suppose to speak towards our interests for the next 4-5 years or so. Ideally, in a very advanced society, we should have more referendums and opportunities to vote on more issues, therefore a more direct democracy, but an indirect democracy is still a step up from most authoritarian regimes (from monarchies to dictatorships). I am optimistic in believing that overall, the human society is gradually improving... people are becoming more educated, poverty is slowly decreasing, people are getting better access to primary healthcare and so forth. We need to continue to work towards making our societies better, however.
EDIT: Medieval Europe is certainly not a role-model to follow... it is setting the bar very low.
Last edited by fromelsewhere; 05-22-2017 at 01:16 AM.
What we have are indirect democracies where we choose representatives that are suppose to speak towards our interests for the next 4-5 years or so. Ideally, in a very advanced society, we should have more referendums and opportunities to vote on more issues, therefore a more direct democracy, but an indirect democracy is still a step up from most authoritarian regimes (from monarchies to dictatorships). I am optimistic in believing that overall, the human society is gradually improving... people are becoming more educated, poverty is slowly decreasing, people are getting better access to primary healthcare and so forth. We need to continue to work towards making our societies better, however.
EDIT: Medieval Europe is certainly not a role-model to follow... it is setting the bar very low.
The bar isnt that high especially if you look at Trump, Erdogan, Hitler - they all emerged out of democracies and things went very bad. Very bad indeed.
Do you think the pious don't sin?
They merely:
Veiled themselves and didn't flaunt it
Sought forgiveness and didn't persist
Took ownership of it and don't justify it
And acted with excellence after they had erred - Ibn al-Qayyim
The bar isnt that high especially if you look at Trump, Erdogan, Hitler - they all emerged out of democracies and things went very bad. Very bad indeed.
Hitler is in a class of his own. He suspended the democratic process of his country by bringing it into a "state of emergency" (edit: to be precise, it was called the "Enabling Act" or the "Law to Remedy the Distress of People and Reich" and was to last 4 years but was renewed twice). Trump and Erdogan are fools in many respects, but they don't enjoy watching people getting burned at stakes as far as I know, and there are limits to what they can do... There is talk of Trump getting impeached if he crosses certain lines. Trump does what he thinks is "right for America", but he forgets to weigh the (long-term) consequences of many of his actions, likely out of ignorance to a large extent. Erdogan... he barely won the referendum in his country despite all the propaganda (and the "no" side being virtually absent). I doubt that he will be able to do too much real damage to his own country or neighboring countries as he has lukewarm support (at best) from his population, assuming that the referendum was fair and that there weren't gross anomalies.
Imagine how much worst the situation would be in Turkey or the US if instead of having an "indirect democracy", there was a "dictatorship" led by Erdogan/Trump. Indirect democracies still offer some protection from despots, though I don't consider either to qualify as a despot yet (just as idiotic politicians).
Edit #2: A quote from Erdogan himself on democracy: "According to this view, democracy is a product of western culture, and it cannot be applied to the Middle East which has a different cultural, religious, sociological and historical background". He is clearly not too hot for democracy.
Last edited by fromelsewhere; 05-22-2017 at 03:21 AM.
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