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    Over 130 Imams & Religious Leaders from diverse backgrounds refuse to perform the funeral prayer for London attackers in an unprecedented move
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    Q : Do you see any hadith that prophet s.a.w or Sahaba ikam RA did not pray funeral prayer of any criminal Muslim?
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    Re: 130 imams refused .....

    Only 130?
    If you gave me a couple hundred thousand quid or the millions in the prevent fund which are designated for handing out wads to those in the community who are willing to spy on the believers and divert them from the way of Allah - I could get you 1,300 uncle toms with certificates willing to say that the sahaabah (ra) were extremists - well I could....but I wouldn't. I could even find a few hundred thousand uncle toms willing to bow to hubal if you gave me the right to issue visas and plane tickets just so they could walk along the river thames and sit under the shade of trees running along it's banks and feel delighted at the delusion that they have a replacement for al kauthar and shajarat at-tubbah whilst they and their children gaze entranced upon the whoores in short skirts and revealing dresses.

    The prophet said of the lone wolf Abu Baseer (may Allah be pleased with him) when he killed his infidel captors from Makkah and returned to the Prophet again: "woe to his mother - what an excellent war kindler he would be- if only he had helpers" , Abu Baseer then left Madeenah knowing that he wouldn't be given refuge if the Makkans came for him again, he went to the sea coast and started his lone wolf activities, and was joined by other escapees from Makkah until he was head of a large group, and would attack the pagan caravans until the Quraish begged the Prophet to take Abu Baseer and his group in and give them refuge - under condition that they no longer attack the Quraysh or their allies.
    However - that was because the Quraish and their allies were refraining from attacking the Muslims or their allies after the truce of hudaybiyyah, and when the allies of Quraish attacked the allies of the people of madeenah - the Prophet gathered a coalition and took over the lands of kufr.
    I ask, what treaty is britain and it's allies respecting when it comes to the blood, property and honour of Muslims - that Muslims are required to restrain their hands from attacking them?

    It is reported that the angels washed the body of Hanzalah

    Abu Baseer would be no exception even if he was alone.



    Then again, those people could have probably gone to those 130 so called imams and complained of the fact that millions of muslims have been slaughtered without just cause by the government of britain and it's allies - then maybe the uncle toms would have judged the government justly and held it to account and punished the culprits in buckingham palace and those in teresa may's cabinet..... maybe - but 99.999999999999 ad infinitum % likely not.



    Thanks for letting me know I'm going to wash myself and pray janaazah now inshaAllah.
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    Re: 130 imams refused .....

    Assalamu Alaikum

    format_quote Originally Posted by azc View Post

    Q : Do you see any hadith that prophet s.a.w or Sahaba ikam RA did not pray funeral prayer of any criminal Muslim?


    Muslim (978) narrated that Jaabir ibn Samurah said: A man who had killed himself with an arrow was brought to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), but he did not offer the funeral prayer for him.

    Abu Dawood (2710), al-Nasaa’i (1959) and Ibn Maajah (2848) narrated from Zayd ibn Khaalid al-Juhani that one of the companions of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) died on the day of Khaybar. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was told about that and he said: “Offer the funeral prayer for your companion.” The people’s expressions changed (i.e. they did not know why the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was not going to lead the funeral prayer himself). He said: “Your companion stole from the war booty (when fighting) for the sake of Allaah.” We searched his belongings and found some pearls from the pearls of the Jews that were not even worth two dirhams.

    The scholars understood from this hadeeth that the Sunnah is for the ruler not to offer the funeral prayer for one who stole from the war booty or one who killed himself, following the example of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

    Here two questions arise:

    1 – Should people of knowledge and virtue follow the ruler’s lead?

    2 – Should others who are like the one who stole from the war booty or one who killed himself, or worse than them – such as bandits, oppressors and those who commit major sins or commit sin openly – be treated in like manner?

    The answer is: Yes, people of knowledge and virtue should follow the ruler’s lead, and others who are like the one who stole from the war booty or one who killed himself, or worse than them, should be treated in like manner.

    Al-Baaji said in al-Muntaqa: This is the Sunnah, rulers and people of virtue should refrain from offering the funeral prayer for those who committed major sins, as a deterrent against doing similar actions. The fact that he (the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)) commanded others to offer the prayer for him indicates that they come under the heading of believers and are not regarded as non-believers because of the sins they committed. End quote.

    Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: If a person who did not pay zakaah and did not pray except in Ramadaan dies, the people of knowledge and religious commitment should refrain from offering the funeral prayer for him as a punishment and a rebuke to those who are like him, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) refrained from offering the funeral prayer for one who had killed himself, one who had stolen from the war booty, and a debtor who had died without paying off his debt. But some people must offer the funeral prayer for him… If a person who committed sin openly but still had some faith died, like those who commit major sins, and someone refuses to offer the funeral prayer for him as a rebuke to others who are like him, he has done well. If a person offers the funeral prayer for him in the hope that Allaah will have mercy on him, and because there is no purpose to be served by refraining from offering the prayer for him, he has also done well. If a person refuses outwardly to offer the funeral prayer for him but makes du’aa’ for him in secret in order to achieve both purposes, that is better than missing out on one of them. End quote. Source

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    But their funeral prayer wasn't performed....
    At least these scholars could ask the common people to perform janaza salah..
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    i think someone must have said their funeral prayer; at least one of their relatives

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