How about the love for Allah Azza Wajjal? The one who gave that person life. That person can never repay Allah Azza Wajjal for the eyes he was given, the intelligence he has been blessed with, the fact that his body works so cohesively and effectively to meet his requirements, etc. Not only that, but Allah Azza Wajjal has promised him eternal paradise and will forgive him for any and all sins, provided the individual sincerely repents. This shows how Allah Azza Wajjal is truly the most merciful.
How terrible would it be to reject Allah Azza Wajjal's existence or worship a false, warped idea of him? It's a crime of the highest degree and deserves the highest possible punishment.
Allah Azza Wajjal is also a higher being than us, as we are his creation. If an inferior being (e.g an ant) displeases a superior being (e.g a human), the response of the superior being is always to decisively punish the lower one (e.g the human stomps on the ant), even if the crime committed has no affect whatsoever on the superior being (e.g the ant bites the person). If this is natural, then why can't Allah Azza Wajall punish us the same way? The gap between Allah Azza Wajall and humanity is far greater than that between any of his creation. Not only that, but we have free will to make our own choices, a unique feature Allah Azza Wajall has given to very few creatures on this planet. Ultimately, it's our fault where we end up.
You should also consider how miraculous it is Allah Azza Wajall even cares about such insignificant beings such as ourselves, who do not affect him whatsoever. Hellfire could also be considered as a deterrent to help guide us to the straight path.
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How about the love for Allah Azza Wajjal? The one who gave that person life. That person can never repay Allah Azza Wajjal for the eyes he was given, the intelligence he has been blessed with, the fact that his body works so cohesively and effectively to meet his requirements, etc. Not only that, but Allah Azza Wajjal has promised him eternal paradise and will forgive him for any and all sins, provided the individual sincerely repents. This shows how Allah Azza Wajjal is truly the most merciful.
How terrible would it be to reject Allah Azza Wajjal's existence or worship a false, warped idea of him? It's a crime of the highest degree and deserves the highest possible punishment.
Allah Azza Wajjal is also a higher being than us, as we are his creation. If an inferior being (e.g an ant) displeases a superior being (e.g a human), the response of the superior being is always to decisively punish the lower one (e.g the human stomps on the ant), even if the crime committed has no affect whatsoever on the superior being (e.g the ant bites the person). If this is natural, then why can't Allah Azza Wajall punish us the same way? The gap between Allah Azza Wajall and humanity is far greater than that between any of his creation. Not only that, but we have free will to make our own choices, a unique feature Allah Azza Wajall has given to very few creatures on this planet. Ultimately, it's our fault where we end up.
You should also consider how miraculous it is Allah Azza Wajall even cares about such insignificant beings such as ourselves, who do not affect him whatsoever. Hellfire could also be considered as a deterrent to help guide us to the straight path.
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--- Is that the Islamic etiquette of answering someone?
You might have a rosey life but for a lot of people life feels like a curse they don't deny his existence they just don't feel the love.
As I mentioned in another thread a lot of people have no choice but to engage in riba and in doing so are at war with god, where is the love for this person?
Then zina is haram but not everyone can get married and they are told to fast and wait for god knows how long whereas someone else has it so easy and can fullfill his desires in a halal way, where is the love for the person who cant get married?
Stealing is haram a lot of people steal just to live not to make mansions, things dont come easy to them after all doors getting closed for them they resort to such things, where is the love for them?
We live in an age where science is just beginning to unravel a lot of things, take a look at evolution for example there is no way that one can deny it. Now there is evidence of other races of humans and most non africans have around 2% neanderthal dna. Which makes a lot of people question religion as for the most part of history was used to control the masses like opium.
The sahabas are considered to be the greatest generation, I did not ask to be born in this day and age isn't it a disadvantage for me that I wasn't born at the time and place of the prophet therefore I couldn't see his miracles, where is the love?
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--- Is that the Islamic etiquette of answering someone?
You might have a rosey life but for a lot of people life feels like a curse they don't deny his existence they just don't feel the love.
As I mentioned in another thread a lot of people have no choice but to engage in riba and in doing so are at war with god, where is the love for this person?
Then zina is haram but not everyone can get married and they are told to fast and wait for god knows how long whereas someone else has it so easy and can fullfill his desires in a halal way, where is the love for the person who cant get married?
Stealing is haram a lot of people steal just to live not to make mansions, things dont come easy to them after all doors getting closed for them they resort to such things, where is the love for them?
We live in an age where science is just beginning to unravel a lot of things, take a look at evolution for example there is no way that one can deny it. Now there is evidence of other races of humans and most non africans have around 2% neanderthal dna. Which makes a lot of people question religion as for the most part of history was used to control the masses like opium.
The sahabas are considered to be the greatest generation, I did not ask to be born in this day and age isn't it a disadvantage for me that I wasn't born at the time and place of the prophet therefore I couldn't see his miracles, where is the love?
You mean one who loves God never commits sin...
Do you love God..?
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Man ... the amount of ignorance and stupidity in some of these replies is astonishing. Im cringing soo flippin hard right now! YA ALLAH! ... Aotho Billah!
How in GOD'S NAME is asking about shirk equals to that of shirk?!?!
Why is it whenever someone asks a question that is contrary to islam, we automatically think he is committing shirk, or being arrogant, or trolling, or purposefully trying to find loop holes in the religion to make it bad?!
WHY? JUST WHY CAN'T WE ACKNOWLEDGE THE FACT THAT SOME PEOPLE DONT HAVE EVERYTHING FIGURED OUT RIGHT? WHY! O GOD! WHY DO WE HAVE TO BE SO JUDGEMENTAL?
Can't you people give a little of benefit of the doubt (Hosn Al THUN "حسن الظن") for these people? When will you ackwonledge that these individuals are legit asking genuine questions?
Honestly, Im sick and tired of people throwing threats about hellfire thinking that it will solve their doubts in some magical way. If you dont know the answer then BE QUITE and let others who have more knowledge than you about this matter to speak up ... GOD! Some of you guys are just soo counter productive!
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I seriously cant understand how some people make takfeer of other people about the simplist and slightest of things yet they themselves cant even follow to most basic of teachings of islam like Hosn Al Moaamala bil Qawl "حسن المعاملة بالقول" ...
Man ... the amount of ignorance and stupidity in some of these replies is astonishing. Im cringing soo flippin hard right now! YA ALLAH! ... Aotho Billah!
How in GOD'S NAME is asking about shirk equals to that of shirk?!?!
Why is it whenever someone asks a question that is contrary to islam, we automatically think he is committing shirk, or being arrogant, or trolling, or purposefully trying to find loop holes in the religion to make it bad?!
WHY? JUST WHY CAN'T WE ACKNOWLEDGE THE FACT THAT SOME PEOPLE DONT HAVE EVERYTHING FIGURED OUT RIGHT? WHY! O GOD! WHY DO WE HAVE TO BE SO JUDGEMENTAL?
Can't you people give a little of benefit of the doubt (Hosn Al THUN "حسن الظن") for these people? When will you ackwonledge that these individuals are legit asking genuine questions?
Honestly, Im sick and tired of people throwing threats about hellfire thinking that it will solve their doubts in some magical way. If you dont know the answer then BE QUITE and let others who have more knowledge than you about this matter to speak up ... GOD! Some of you guys are just soo counter productive!
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I seriously cant understand how some people make takfeer of other people about the simplist and slightest of things yet they themselves cant even follow to most basic of teachings of islam like Hosn Al Moaamala bil Qawl "حسن المعاملة بالقول" ...
Originally Posted by Mahir Adnan
I think, if I were a god and if I had a creation.I wouldn't mind if anybody doesn't worship me. Why Allah is so serious about shirk? what's the reason? do you have any idea?
Are you retarded or what? Is that the Islamic etiquette of answering someone?
You might have a rosey life but for a lot of people life feels like a curse they don't deny his existence they just don't feel the love.
As I mentioned in another thread a lot of people have no choice but to engage in riba and in doing so are at war with god, where is the love for this person?
Then zina is haram but not everyone can get married and they are told to fast and wait for god knows how long whereas someone else has it so easy and can fullfill his desires in a halal way, where is the love for the person who cant get married?
Stealing is haram a lot of people steal just to live not to make mansions, things dont come easy to them after all doors getting closed for them they resort to such things, where is the love for them?
We live in an age where science is just beginning to unravel a lot of things, take a look at evolution for example there is no way that one can deny it. Now there is evidence of other races of humans and most non africans have around 2% neanderthal dna. Which makes a lot of people question religion as for the most part of history was used to control the masses like opium.
The sahabas are considered to be the greatest generation, I did not ask to be born in this day and age isn't it a disadvantage for me that I wasn't born at the time and place of the prophet therefore I couldn't see his miracles, where is the love?
I know brother. I know that some people have it easier than others and thats what makes this life that we are living a test. Because if everyone was balanced then everything would be easy and there would be no hardship in this life. And what meaning would this life have if its not to tests us on our weak points? Like a brother mentioned in your previous thread (Quran 29:2)[Do the people think that they will be left to say, "We believe" and they will not be tried?]
So thats why some people were made rich and others made poor. Some have their weakness for money, others have weakness for desire of stability and welfare. Thats why Allah gives money to those weak for it to test whether they could give it to charity or abuse their power of wealth, and the poor is being tested whether they will be patient with Allahs decree for them or will they flip out and give up on God's mercy. Thats why there is unbalance in this world, and it is our job to strive towards balance. Those who don't and abuse what blessing they are given will cause much fitna in this world and between the people. (Quran 36:47)[And when it is said to them, "Spend from that which Allah has provided for you," those who disbelieve say to those who believe, "Should we feed one whom, if Allah had willed, He would have fed? You are not but in clear error."]
Allah AWJ says that ... If you commit zina, theft, nameema, black magic, even murder, he is willing to forgive and pardon you if you turn back to him and sincerely seek forgiveness and repentance. But the only thing that Allah does not forgive is Worshipping that which is other than him. That is called betrayal! And that in His judgement is unforgivable. Think of it like this, a good husband might be willing to forgive his wife, if she does not respect him, if she does not cook for him, if she abuses or mistreats him, but the only think that he would not be willing to do is forgive her if she cheats on him. And how could she when he has given her everything she wanted? Except in the case of God and Humans, its a much more different relation ...
And as for the verse u mentioned in the other thread that refers to the punishment of those who commit ribba, that only applies for those who are in no need to commit this sin yet the do it anyway out of ARROGANCE AND STUBBORNNESS, not out of need and necessity. Your not a bad person if the situation forces you to do such a sin. Your not inherently evil. Stop overburdening yourself and stop listening to people who demonize you without fully understanding your situation in the first place before passing on judgement onto you. Stop letting those people affect your relationship with this religion, your imaan and most importantly, your desire to please Allah. Cause you and i know that you wouldnt be here complaining about these things if you didnt care about being a true believer.
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format_quote Originally Posted by azc
Do you agree the way he has asked this question ?
I shouldnt care about the way he asked his question so long as it is not meant to offend or be insulting. If its a question that is asked in a good way the conveys what he is trying to say then thats good enough ... i see nothing in his question that pertains or suggests that he wants to be mushrik. And thats my honest answer.
I know brother. I know that some people have it easier than others and thats what makes this life that we are living a test. Because if everyone was balanced then everything would be easy and there would be no hardship in this life. And what meaning would this life have if its not to tests us on our weak points? Like a brother mentioned in your previous thread (Quran 29:2)[Do the people think that they will be left to say, "We believe" and they will not be tried?]
So thats why some people were made rich and others made poor. Some have their weakness for money, others have weakness for desire of stability and welfare. Thats why Allah gives money to those weak for it to test whether they could give it to charity or abuse their power of wealth, and the poor is being tested whether they will be patient with Allahs decree for them or will they flip out and give up on God's mercy. Thats why there is unbalance in this world, and it is our job to strive towards balance. Those who don't and abuse what blessing they are given will cause much fitna in this world and between the people. (Quran 36:47)[And when it is said to them, "Spend from that which Allah has provided for you," those who disbelieve say to those who believe, "Should we feed one whom, if Allah had willed, He would have fed? You are not but in clear error."]
Allah AWJ says that ... If you commit zina, theft, nameema, black magic, even murder, he is willing to forgive and pardon you if you turn back to him and sincerely seek forgiveness and repentance. But the only thing that Allah does not forgive is Worshipping that which is other than him. That is called betrayal! And that in His judgement is unforgivable. Think of it like this, a good husband might be willing to forgive his wife, if she does not respect him, if she does not cook for him, if she abuses or mistreats him, but the only think that he would not be willing to do is forgive her if she cheats on him. And how could she when he has given her everything she wanted? Except in the case of God and Humans, its a much more different relation ...
And as for the verse u mentioned in the other thread that refers to the punishment of those who commit ribba, that only applies for those who are in no need to commit this sin yet the do it anyway out of ARROGANCE AND STUBBORNNESS, not out of need and necessity. Your not a bad person if the situation forces you to do such a sin. Your not inherently evil. Stop overburdening yourself and stop listening to people who demonize you without fully understanding your situation in the first place before passing on judgement onto you. Stop letting those people affect your relationship with this religion, your imaan and most importantly, your desire to please Allah. Cause you and i know that you wouldnt be here complaining about these things if you didnt care about being a true believer.
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I shouldnt care about the way he asked his question so long as it is not meant to offend or be insulting. If its a question that is asked in a good way the conveys what he is trying to say then thats good enough ... i see nothing in his question that pertains or suggests that he wants to be mushrik. And thats my honest answer.
o.k. If you think it's the right way of asking this question.
--- Is that the Islamic etiquette of answering someone?
You might have a rosey life but for a lot of people life feels like a curse they don't deny his existence they just don't feel the love.
As I mentioned in another thread a lot of people have no choice but to engage in riba and in doing so are at war with god, where is the love for this person?
Then zina is haram but not everyone can get married and they are told to fast and wait for god knows how long whereas someone else has it so easy and can fullfill his desires in a halal way, where is the love for the person who cant get married?
Stealing is haram a lot of people steal just to live not to make mansions, things dont come easy to them after all doors getting closed for them they resort to such things, where is the love for them?
We live in an age where science is just beginning to unravel a lot of things, take a look at evolution for example there is no way that one can deny it. Now there is evidence of other races of humans and most non africans have around 2% neanderthal dna. Which makes a lot of people question religion as for the most part of history was used to control the masses like opium.
The sahabas are considered to be the greatest generation, I did not ask to be born in this day and age isn't it a disadvantage for me that I wasn't born at the time and place of the prophet therefore I couldn't see his miracles, where is the love?
When a someone says dumb things, they will get a befitting response from me.
Those people are usually a bunch of attention seeking whiny brats. If you are alive, that is enough of a reason to thank Allah Azza Wajjal. Unless you are physically incapable of doing so (e.g brain dead), you have no excuse.
Are you high? If someone is forced then it is fine, however, I highly doubt most people who do riba can qualify for that excuse. Most of the time they do it because it is the easy way out.
Allah Azza Wajjal tests his creation if he wills it, it is a great opportunity to gain extra reward. He may also be punishing them for their sins.
Again, are you stupid? It is excusable if the individual has no other option.
Listen up, no matter how much science advances, it will never be able to disprove Allah Azza Wajjal. If it ever claims to do so, then there is something wrong with science. There is no concrete evidence homo sapiens evolved from other beings, there are only things which imply it. Scientists could very easily be misinterpreting the information. 2% neanderthal DNA means nothing, other than that homo sapiens and neanderthals are made of similar materials or bred together (or both).
You have been given other reasons to believe in Islam, including miracles such as the Qurans inimitability, the fact that it has been preserved for 1400 years, that it is easy to memorise, has no contradictions, that many of the Islamic predictions of the future have come true, and the miracles of Rasulullah (Peace Be Upon Him) have been documented. These documents have been rigorously authenticated, it is almost impossible for them to be lying.
Allah Azza Wajjal put you here in this time because that was his decision. It is not our place to question it, we probably don't even posses the intelligence to understand it.
Button up and stop acting so stupid.
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come on man, I am not good at English. I was not sure, how to ask this in English. I meant, suppose, I have 10000 robots. 9000 of them disobey me. then, who cares? why should I be so serious?
I think,none of you answered properly, man. eventually, I explained it with an example of 'Microsoft '&'apple'. thanks to Allah, he helped me to find this answer.I may say something wrong, but it doesn't mean that I know little about deen.I have been reading Islamic books since 2013,dude. but language is keeping me away to do research.I just understand English when I read or hear,but I can't say or write something. I understand what nouman ali Khan saying, I translated imam ibn taimiyya's book from English, but the main problem is,it's hard to write or say from my own voice.
When someone says dumb things, they will get a befitting response from me.
Those people are usually a bunch of attention seeking whiny brats. If you are alive, that is enough of a reason to thank Allah Azza Wajjal. Unless you are physically incapable of doing so (e.g brain dead), you have no excuse.
Are you high? If someone is forced then it is fine, however, I highly doubt most people who do riba can qualify for that excuse. Most of the time they do it because it is the easy way out.
Allah Azza Wajjal tests his creation if he wills it, it is a great opportunity to gain extra reward. He may also be punishing them for their sins.
Again, are you stupid? It is excusable if the individual has no other option.
Listen up you murtad, no matter how much science advances, it will never be able to disprove Allah Azza Wajjal. If it ever claims to do so, then there is something wrong with science. There is no concrete evidence homo sapiens evolved from other beings, there are only things which imply it. Scientists could very easily be misinterpreting the information. 2% neanderthal DNA means nothing, other than that homo sapiens and neanderthals are made of similar materials or bred together (or both).
You have been given other reasons to believe in Islam, including miracles such as the Qurans inimitability, the fact that it has been preserved for 1400 years, that it is easy to memorise, has no contradictions, that many of the Islamic predictions of the future have come true, and the miracles of Rasulullah (Peace Be Upon Him) have been documented. These documents have been rigorously authenticated, it is almost impossible for them to be lying.
Allah Azza Wajjal put you here in this time because that was his decision. It is not our place to question it, we probably don't even posses the intelligence to understand it.
Button up and stop acting so stupid.
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Do you even know what Riba is and how it works?
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Any more personal attacks on this forum and you will each be infracted and posts deleted regardless of content. I understand things can get heated but this is not the islamic etiquette of speaking to one another. For everyone else, I urge you to report posts which include personal attacks.
format_quote Originally Posted by Mahir Adnan
why Allah is so serious about shirk? what's the reason? do you have any idea?
This is not a thought you should ponder about because you are merely a creation that receives blessings and is dependent on Allah's will and reacts with human emotion. You have your limitations and restrictions.
Allah is all Supreme, He alone is worthy of worship and there is nothing equal to Him. We can always draw examples from our life to understand somewhat but we will never truly know because a small example is really insignificant compared to Allah's greatness.
You need to have more humility rather than compare yourself to Allah azawajaal because you are absolutely in no position to do so. Not even close. So you can see where this question can hit a nerve with many people. There is no more to add to this thread.
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