There is no need for an explanation.Few words will suffice,which are:
If every woman in the world took a male relative with her outside and never left her house except that she has a male relative with her,will the number of rapes that occur daily not fall down by a mile?
The perfected way to pray is in the Sunnah agreed, but as there is no compulsion in Islam, I suppose Allah is saying its still possible to submit to Allah as long as you remember Him and pray
and live the righetous life and follow Truth?
It is another question i have , especially praying in a language i dont even understand, I do understand why it would be best to learn Arabic and pray like the Prophet, but untill i do i pray my way and i certainly beleive it helps me.
I started a thread with questions regarding prayer, i will continue the disscussion there rather than take this thread off topic, if you like?
The perfected way to pray is in the Sunnah agreed, but as there is no compulsion in Islam, I suppose Allah is saying its still possible to submit to Allah as long as you remember Him and pray
and live the righetous life and follow Truth?
It is another question i have , especially praying in a language i dont even understand, I do understand why it would be best to learn Arabic and pray like the Prophet, but untill i do i pray my way and i certainly beleive it helps me.
I started a thread with questions regarding prayer, i will continue the disscussion there rather than take this thread off topic, if you like?
No, I get it. You want Islam to conform to you and your logic. This Deen has been established for over 1400 years with an unbroken chain of scholarly knowledge and wisdom. It's hear and obey time. Praying the five prayers has to be in Arabic. It is not something that is beyond human possibility to do. My wife's 9 year old son can do it. And there are children much younger than that that has mastered it. All it takes is time and effort without questioning everything in the religion.
So by stay in houses you believe it literally means stay in your physical house and has nothing to do with dwelling in the place of the Lord internally that you might reflect what is good by adhrarance to modesty and humility?
Please excuse my ignorance; but would you please provide the chapter or book number with the surrah you provided?
.....I have already given you the reference, Surah Ahzab verse 33
And yes it quite simply means to stay in the house, this is the beloved place of Allah for the women, and acts of worship are encouraged in the house for them. They are allowed to go out, but only with a purpose or for necessities, and as long as they are with a mahram such as their husband
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It clearly sates the Prophets wives "are not like other women", why would it state that if all women were to follow the following advice?
They are not like other women because they are the Prophet's wives; i.e. one of a kind. Women in this day and age are not like the Prophet's wives because they aren't married to the prophet! Quite simple. They are also not like other women because they are a role model, just like how the Prophet is not like other people because he is a messenger, a role model. This is mentioned in Sheikh Maududi's commentary which I quoted in my previous post
وَمَنْ أَحْسَنُ قَوْلًا مِّمَّن دَعَا إِلَى اللَّـهِ وَعَمِلَ صَالِحًا وَقَالَ إِنَّنِي مِنَ الْمُسْلِمِينَ
~ And who is better in speech than someone who calls to God, and acts with integrity, and says, “I am of those who submit”?
No, I get it. You want Islam to conform to you and your logic. This Deen has been established for over 1400 years with an unbroken chain of scholarly knowledge and wisdom. It's hear and obey time. Praying the five prayers has to be in Arabic. It is not something that is beyond human possibility to do. My wife's 9 year old son can do it. And there are children much younger than that that has mastered it. All it takes is time and effort without questioning everything in the religion.
"Praying the five prayers has to be in Arabic"
What!?
As if GOD cannot understand any other language. GOD knows one's thoughts; one's thoughts are generally in their native tongue.
.....I have already given you the reference, Surah Ahzab verse 33
And yes it quite simply means to stay in the house, this is the beloved place of Allah for the women, and acts of worship are encouraged in the house for them. They are allowed to go out, but only with a purpose or for necessities, and as long as they are with a mahram such as their husband
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They are not like other women because they are the Prophet's wives; i.e. one of a kind. Women in this day and age are not like the Prophet's wives because they aren't married to the prophet! Quite simple. They are also not like other women because they are a role model, just like how the Prophet is not like other people because he is a messenger, a role model. This is mentioned in Sheikh Maududi's commentary which I quoted in my previous post
I didn't expect you to be able to elaborate using the Quran.
What's it to you anyways. Why are you even on a Muslim site. No good Christian forums? Unlike you people, we have established rules that we abide by and one of them is that a new Muslim must learn to recite the prayers in Arabic, regardless of what you think.
What's it to you anyways. Why are you even on a Muslim site. No good Christian forums? Unlike you people, we have established rules that we abide by and one of them is that a new Muslim must learn to recite the prayers in Arabic, regardless of what you think.
The majority of fuqaha’ say that if the non-Arab can speak Arabic, he should not recite Takbeer (saying “Allaahu akbar (Allaah is Most Great)”) in any other language. The evidence for this is that the texts instruct this particular wording, which is Arabic, and that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not do it any other way.
But if a non-Arab cannot speak Arabic and is unable to pronounce it, then according to the majority of fuqaha’ it is OK for him to say the Takbeer in his own language after it has been translated from Arabic, according to the statements of the Shaafa’is and Hanbalis, no matter what the language is.
With regard to reading Qur’aan, the majority say that it is not permissible to read it in any language other than Arabic.
If he cannot do anything, but he knows some of the Qur’aan by heart, he should recite whatever he can, and nothing else will do, because of the report narrated by Abu Dawood from Rifaa’ah ibn Raafi’, who said that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “When you get up to pray, if you know some Qur’aan, recite it, otherwise say al-hamdu Lillaah (praise be to Allaah), and La ilaaha ill-Allaah (there is no god but Allaah), and Allaahu akbar (Allaah is Most Great).”
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For non-Arabic speakers, they should try to learn the prayers that are recited in salah (they're not that long, to be honest). There are many resources out there on the internet (a great gift bestowed upon us, alhamdulillah) with the English translation and transliteration of these du'as. During your salah, you can read the transliteration if that helps you. Allah does not want to make this difficult or a burden for you.
وَمَنْ أَحْسَنُ قَوْلًا مِّمَّن دَعَا إِلَى اللَّـهِ وَعَمِلَ صَالِحًا وَقَالَ إِنَّنِي مِنَ الْمُسْلِمِينَ
~ And who is better in speech than someone who calls to God, and acts with integrity, and says, “I am of those who submit”?
.....I have already given you the reference, Surah Ahzab verse 33
And yes it quite simply means to stay in the house, this is the beloved place of Allah for the women, and acts of worship are encouraged in the house for them. They are allowed to go out, but only with a purpose or for necessities, and as long as they are with a mahram such as their husband
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They are not like other women because they are the Prophet's wives; i.e. one of a kind. Women in this day and age are not like the Prophet's wives because they aren't married to the prophet! Quite simple. They are also not like other women because they are a role model, just like how the Prophet is not like other people because he is a messenger, a role model. This is mentioned in Sheikh Maududi's commentary which I quoted in my previous post
With all due respect, i find it hard to agree with Sheikh Maududi's commentary, and i cant help but think beleiving a mans word over Allahas is a kind of Shirk thats going down the road of corruption all other releigions suffered.
Its still not clear and implies the Quran is incomplete. yet it sates otherwise.
To be honest when i read the Quran with main stream Islam in mind i cant help thinking Allaha is talking about Modern Islam the same way he talks of the Jews and non beleivers, no offence intended..
Here are a few random Quotes so you might better understand my query..
6:38 If you really want to see the signs of Allah, just look at any animal that walks upon the earth and any bird that flies in the air; they too are the communities like you. We have not left out anything from the Book in determining the courses of their lives. They all shall be gathered before
6:114 Say: Should I seek a judge other than Allah, when He is the One Who has revealed this Book (The Qur'an) with full details? Those whom We gave the Book, before you, know very well that it is revealed to you from your Rabb with the Truth; therefore, you should not be of those who have doubts.
7: 52 For We have certainly brought them a Book which provides clear details based on knowledge and which is a guidance and blessing for the true believers.
17.12 We have made the night and the day as two signs. We enshrouded the night with darkness and gave light to the day, to enable you to seek the bounty of your Rabb, and that you may compute the years and count the numbers. Thus, We have set forth all things in detail.
11:1 Alif Lam Ra. This Book, whose verses are perfected and issued in detail by the One Who is All-Wise, All-Aware.
41. 3 A Book whereof the verses are explained in detail a Qur'an in Arabic for people who understand.
12.111 There is a lesson in these stories of former people for the men of common sense. This story of Yusuf revealed in the Qur'an is not an invented tale, but a confirmation of previous scriptures - a detailed exposition of all things, and is a guidance and blessing for the people who believe.
A mahram is a blood relative of a woman, whom she cannot marry, such as father, brother, son, father in law, son in law, nephew, or the husband himself.
A mahram is a blood relative of a woman, whom she cannot marry, such as father, brother, son, father in law, son in law, nephew, or the husband himself.
Of course we are to obey GOD and HIS messenger.
but it also says that it is the extent of the guidance one needs. Are there any surrah that say a woman can leave her home only with a close relative?
The prohibition is for travelling, as in travelling outside the city, not within the city. Within the city, a woman can go outside her home if there is a need. See the detailed explanation here: https://islamqa.info/en/6713
A mahram is a blood relative of a woman, whom she cannot marry, such as father, brother, son, father in law, son in law, nephew, or the husband himself.
Thanks for those, but i am still confused..
To obey Allah we obey the Quran?
And the Quran says it is complete, perfected and all we need to know about Islam in every detail and Mohamed (pbuh) is just Allahs messenger, he isnt the law giver in fact it states Mohamed (pbuh) can not make something prohibited or make law, that of course come from Allah alone..
Of course when he was alive people were to follow him and we can still follow him in his ways but he couldnt make laws that were not revealed by Allaha in the Quran.
He could give sound instruction and advice like in those Hadiths but surley it couldnt be the basis of Law, it would have to be in the Quran and clear to be a neccecary integral part of Islam, surley?
66: 1 O Prophet! Why do you make something unlawful, which Allah has made lawful to you in seeking to please your wives? Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
64. Say: Allah delivereth you from this and from all affliction. Yet ye attribute partners unto Him. 65. Say: He is able to send punishment upon you from above you or from beneath your feet, or to bewilder you with dissension and make you taste the tyranny one of another. See how We display the revelations so that they may understand. 66. Thy people (O Muhammad) have denied it, though it is the Truth. Say: I am not put in charge of you.
As I said, the Messenger is sent as a practical guide. His duty is to teach the Qur'an, and also to show us how to follow the Qur'an. Otherwise, every Zaid, Bakr and Ahmad would interpret the Qur'an in his own understanding.
Allah says, Just as We have sent among you a messenger from yourselves reciting to you Our verses and purifying you and teaching you the Book and wisdom and teaching you that which you did not know. [2:151]
The Book is the Qur'an, but where do you find the wisdom and the other knowledge that what taught? It is there in the Hadith. The Qur'an and Sunnah are the two sources of legislation in Islam. Please read the links given in this thread to understand this concept properly: Why do we have tofollow thesunnah ofthe prophet Muhammad and not justfollow thequraan
Of course its a sound guidance, sensible practice and common sense to have a relative accompany woman on a journey, especially in those days in times of conflict, kind of sound advice one would expect , but unless its in the Quran and clear, surley its just sound advice still not an integral part of Islam?
Islam is a universal way of life for all humanity for all time, no?
If it was True Islam how wouldnt it make the numerous verses clearley stating that the Quran is a complete, conscise and detailed way to live would be not true?
Then we are going down that road of relying on men to form our laws and misguide us..That road Islam was taken many times before.
Ever thing in the Quran resonates with Truth , but i am struggling with this one , its simply not practicle and reeks of oppression.
But for arguments sake , i am wrong and/or Islam is practiced this way, what happens to women travelling alone?
Wouldnt rules like this put them in more danger?
If not how not?
Of course its a sound guidance, sensible practice and common sense to have a relative accompany woman on a journey, especially in those days in times of conflict, kind of sound advice one would expect , but unless its in the Quran and clear, surley its just sound advice still not an integral part of Islam?
If it was True Islam how wouldnt it make the numerous verses clearley stating that the Quran is a complete, conscise and detailed way to live would be not true?
Then we are going down that road of relying on men to form our laws and misguide us..That road Islam was taken many times before.
Ever thing in the Quran resonates with Truth , but i am struggling with this one , its simply not practicle and reeks of oppression.
But for arguments sake , i am wrong and/or Islam is practiced this way, what happens to women travelling alone?
Wouldnt rules like this put them in more danger?
If not how not?
Wow. What don't you understand. We have the Sunnah of the Prophet s.a.a.w. We are not relying on "men to form our laws and misguide us". We are relying on Allah and His Messenger. Let me ask flat out, are you a hadith rejector?
The evidence from both the Qur’aan and Sunnah are of the same level and must be followed equally. Both the Qur’aan and Sunnah are Revelation (Wahy) from Allaah and must be followed. Allaah says concerning His Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) (interpretation of the meaning):
“Nor does he speak of (his own) desire.
It is only a Revelation revealed”
[al-Najm 53:4-3]
It was narrated from al-Miqdaam ibn Ma’dikarib that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Beware! I have been given the Qur’aan and something like it, yet the time is coming when a man replete on his couch will say: ‘Keep to the Qur’aan; what you find in it to be permissible treat as permissible, and what you find in it to be prohibited treat as prohibited.’”
(Narrated by Abu Dawood, 4606; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani – may Allah have mercy on him – in Saheeh Sunan Abi Dawood, 3848).
Secondly:
Allaah has enjoined that His Messenger is to be obeyed independently of the Qur’aan. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“O you who believe! Obey Allaah and obey the Messenger (Muhammad), and those of you (Muslims) who are in authority” [al-Nisa’ 4:59]
“And whatsoever the Messenger (Muhammad) gives you, take it; and whatsoever he forbids you, abstain (from it)” [al-Hashr 59:7]
And often times we don't see the wisdom behind something until it's too late. And here's some examples of the wisdom behind not traveling alone outside the city.
Wow. What don't you understand. We have the Sunnah of the Prophet s.a.a.w. We are not relying on "men to form our laws and misguide us". We are relying on Allah and His Messenger. Let me ask flat out, are you a hadith rejector?
If i accepted that rule as Islam , it would make me a Quran denier..
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says at several places in the Qur'an to obey Him and the Messenger. See http://legacy.quran.com/3/32, http://legacy.quran.com/3/132, http://legacy.quran.com/4/13, http://legacy.quran.com/4/59, http://legacy.quran.com/4/64, http://legacy.quran.com/4/69, http://legacy.quran.com/4/80, http://legacy.quran.com/5/92, http://legacy.quran.com/8/1, http://legacy.quran.com/8/24, http://legacy.quran.com/8/46, http://legacy.quran.com/9/71, http://legacy.quran.com/14/44, http://legacy.quran.com/24/47, http://legacy.quran.com/24/51, http://legacy.quran.com/24/52, http://legacy.quran.com/24/54, http://legacy.quran.com/24/56, http://legacy.quran.com/33/33, http://legacy.quran.com/33/66, http://legacy.quran.com/33/71, http://legacy.quran.com/47/33, http://legacy.quran.com/48/17, http://legacy.quran.com/49/14, http://legacy.quran.com/58/13, http://legacy.quran.com/64/12
forbade women to travel alone without a mahram. See https://sunnah.com/riyadussaliheen/8/35, https://sunnah.com/tirmidhi/12/25
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