Why Islam Disallows women to travel alone.

format_quote Originally Posted by beleiver

I think the point i am trying to make is enforcing a law that is wrong and not from Allaha wont work in real life..

many laws in real life work and are practical - traffic laws, environment (not allowed to build on green zones), promoting public good or taxing people to have universal healthcare and education and some countries even have conscription because they dont have enough people in the army. These are enforced.

format_quote Originally Posted by beleiver

Prhohibition for example doesnt work nor is it practicle, it causes more problems than its supposed to solve..
Look at the world, people have strayed far from the path and are suffering the Tyranny of one another, people have invented lies and others follow them and think they follow Allaha but they are astray, they are following partners..

I dont think it does, having a police force to stop crime is a good idea, enforcing taxes for universal healthcare and supporting educational institutions is another good idea. So is promoting things that enhance what the society stands for.

format_quote Originally Posted by beleiver

No one can force their will on another unless there is a victim, that is a crime, that is what gangsters do..

Every country does this, every institution of learning does this, hospital etc etc. Not criminal or gangsters - actually gangsters get stopped by police which is enforced by the government.

format_quote Originally Posted by beleiver

Dont listen to Jurists unless an actual crime with a victim has been commited and a punishment is called for, fear and trust in Allaha and his warnings, if you do right be it for your soul if you do wrong be it against your soul, Allha is the best of Judges..And a clear repeated warning is dont invent lies, the Quran is complete, detailed guidance..

You listen to jurist to know what the sacred law has to say about any issue. That is if you want to follow the scared law.

format_quote Originally Posted by beleiver

Surah 10 for example is clear on the revalation of Allha is not to be added to nor messed with. Read the whole verse, people have gone astray many a time before.

dont forget surah 4:59 - read the Quran holistically

"O you who believe, obey Allah, the Messenger, and those in command among you. If you disagree about something, refer it back to Allah and the
Messenger, if you believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is the best thing to do and gives the best result".

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format_quote Originally Posted by beleiver

Confused, are my posts causing problems? going against any rules?

Nope

format_quote Originally Posted by Zafran

many laws in real life work and are practical - traffic laws, environment (not allowed to build on green zones), promoting public good or taxing people to have universal healthcare and education and some countries even have conscription because they dont have enough people in the army. These are enforced.




I dont think it does, having a police force to stop crime is a good idea, enforcing taxes for universal healthcare and supporting educational institutions is another good idea. So is promoting things that enhance what the society stands for.



Every country does this, every institution of learning does this, hospital etc etc. Not criminal or gangsters - actually gangsters get stopped by police which is enforced by the government.

Lets focus on trafic laws, as a motorist and traveller i know about these..

Of course there should be rules or legislation but that is distinct from actual law we are talking about..imho highways should be governed by a code rather than a rigid "law" as not every situation is the same..
For example a law is a constant so if driving over the speed limit is dangerous, i should be dead many years ago, if child seats are a law , if you dont use one you will die, me and my family should be dead as we never used child car seats as children..Its just sound advice pushed as a law...With revenue collectors enforcing that 'law' by force.
Now, gangsters run protection rakets, if you dont comply with what they say they punish you normally by forced stealing, all the police are doing in many cases like revenue collection for traffic 'offences' is what gangsters do exept they have a monopoly on force.
Londoners still refer to the royal family as the firm, and if their exploits of old like the opium trade and conquests and pillaging of lands are not a form of gangster i dont know what is.

format_quote Originally Posted by Zafran

You listen to jurist to know what the sacred law has to say about any issue. That is if you want to follow the scared law.



dont forget surah 4:59 - read the Quran holistically

"O you who believe, obey Allah, the Messenger, and those in command among you. If you disagree about something, refer it back to Allah and the
Messenger, if you believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is the best thing to do and gives the best result".

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Nope

I have no problem listening to jurists to help me understand sacred law but i refuse to let them dictate what that law is..That would be dangerous as i dont know whats in the heart of those jurists, why should i trust them over Allaha and my own senses He blessed me with?

I am very familiar with sura 4:59 but no 'leader' in my life time could every claim to be 'among you' that would imply within the community or a man of the people, most rulers in modern so called democracies live among the oppressors a whole different class to the people.
Where are these scholars and jurists that claim to rule on behalf of Allaha from? either way Allha has no partners..

I read the Quran a good bit' the more i read the more i am drawn to Islam..

Regarding partners in Surah 10 goes in to more detail, it makes the claim Allha created all in truth and detailed his revalations, then goes on to say Allha is your lord and other than His Truth what else is there save error, on how people are turned away, then it states there are no partners and no one can invent a lie against Him, no partners can lead to Truth only Allaha..


35 Say: Is there of your partners (whom ye ascribe unto Allah) one that leadeth to the Truth ? Say: Allah leadeth to the Truth. Is He Who leadeth to the Truth more deserving that He should be followed, or he who findeth not the way unless he (himself) be guided. What aileth you ? How judge ye ?36 Most of them follow not but conjecture. Assuredly conjecture can by no means take the place of truth. Lo! Allah is Aware of what they do.37 And this Qur'an is not such as could ever be invented in despite of Allah; but it is a confirmation of that which was before it and an exposition of that which is decreed for mankind - Therein is no doubt - from the Lord of the Worlds.38 Or say they: He hath invented it ? Say: Then bring a surah like unto it, and call (for help) on all ye can besides Allah, if ye are truthful.39 Nay, but they denied that, the knowledge whereof they could not compass, and whereof the interpretation (in events) hath not yet come unto them. Even so did those before them deny. Then see what was the consequence for the wrong-doers!40 And of them is he who believeth therein, and of them is he who believeth not therein, and thy Lord is Best Aware of the corrupters.41 And if they deny thee, say: Unto me my work, and unto you your work. Ye are innocent of what I do, and I am innocent of what ye do.

If a universal law for all of man kind for all the time could be put into words the Quran would say it, this ruling about women needing guardians is an invention that has not stood the test of time.

I Love Islam but i could not put my hand on my heart and say its not been corruptted.

It was corrupted many times before and always will be, unless we all hold firm to the Rope of Allaha.

format_quote Originally Posted by beleiver

Of course there should be rules or legislation but that is distinct from actual law we are talking about..imho highways should be governed by a code rather than a rigid "law" as not every situation is the same..
For example a law is a constant so if driving over the speed limit is dangerous, i should be dead many years ago, if child seats are a law , if you dont use one you will die, me and my family should be dead as we never used child car seats as children..Its just sound advice pushed as a law...With revenue collectors enforcing that 'law' by force

It would reduce the possibility of death and just because you haven't died or haven't killed anyone it doesn't mean that many people haven't been saved by following the speed limit and the code - its always safer to follow the speed limit, to be on the safe side - There are many laws in countries that one can debate about abortion, political system, taxes etc the point is the law is there so safeguard the individual and the society and large and what it stands - But they will be enforced unless argued otherwise.

format_quote Originally Posted by beleiver

I have no problem listening to jurists to help me understand sacred law but i refuse to let them dictate what that law is..That would be dangerous as i dont know whats in the heart of those jurists, why should i trust them over Allaha and my own senses He blessed me with?

The sacred law is based on the Quran and sunnah - one owns view clearly can count if your Mujtahid and aware of the sacred law in full. If not you have to follow the ones who know - the same applies with any subject including medicine, law and politics.

format_quote Originally Posted by beleiver

I am very familiar with sura 4:59 but no 'leader' in my life time could every claim to be 'among you' that would imply within the community or a man of the people, most rulers in modern so called democracies live among the oppressors a whole different class to the people.
Where are these scholars and jurists that claim to rule on behalf of Allaha from? either way Allha has no partners.

They dont rule on behalf of Allah swt - Jurist interpret the sacred law - you can be one you just have to take the time out to study - just like if one wants to be a doctor or lawyer.

format_quote Originally Posted by beleiver

I Love Islam but i could not put my hand on my heart and say its not been corruptted.

It hasnt been.

format_quote Originally Posted by beleiver

It was corrupted many times before and always will be, unless we all hold firm to the Rope of Allaha.

If it was God would send a sign or change the people with better people.

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format_quote Originally Posted by beleiver

If a universal law for all of man kind for all the time could be put into words the Quran would say it, this ruling about women needing guardians is an invention that has not stood the test of time.

of course it has and will be enforced depending on safety, the distance and the purpose of travel, it still applies in many situations - just like men cannot stay away from the family for too long - again in depends on purpose and distance and time.

format_quote Originally Posted by popsthebuilder

"Praying the five prayers has to be in Arabic"

What!?

As if GOD cannot understand any other language. GOD knows one's thoughts; one's thoughts are generally in their native tongue.

Its not about God being able to understand us or not. Allah understands us even if we dont say anything. But Allah revealed Quran in Arabic and wants us to read from Quran while performing the ritual prayer and He wants us to use the exact same words he chosed and we are supposed to obey Him. Thats all about it.

Assalamu alaykum,

I haven't read through the whole thread, but I just wanted to give my two cents.

In theory, the concept that women are not allowed travel alone can sound oppressive and horrible, but as a Muslim woman myself, and having experienced this as it's practically put into place, nothing could be further from the truth. It's not that a woman can't leave her house on her own, or has to beg her husband or father to be able to do normal things such studying or seeing friends or travelling. This issue isn't a black and white as some would have it.

Now, I know there are families or men who will abuse such statements and oppress their women and prevent them and be unjust to them, but I'm not talking about them, and Islam categorically forbids any type of oppression or injustice.

It's not like I sit at home all day, unable to study or work, or see my friends and family, lol. It doesn't work like that. If I'm going to the library, or somewhere locally, I'll go to my father, say, "Dad, I'm just popping down to the library with so-and-so, I'll be back in an hour" or something like that. And yes, my parents do always want to know where I am, and I didn't leave the house on my own until I was 18, and I'm definitely not allowed to be out once it is dark. And if I'm going to another city, or another country, then my parents will always come with me. And when I get married in'sha'Allah, it'll be the same with my husband. And alhamdulillah I truly appreciate that they are so concerned for my welfare, and are always there for me. And many of my friends think the same.

I have never once felt restricted. When Islam is applied properly, and in a just manner, then you can only see the inherent beauty and wisdom in the commandments of Allah swt. I wouldn't have it any other way.

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And I forgot to mention an important point, regarding the OP, the purpose of the hijab or not travelling alone isn't solely for preventing 'rape'. These 'victim-blaming' attitudes are a major problem.

We should never accept a kind of society where women feel unsafe or vulnerable, sexual harassment can happen to anyone, subhanAllah. You can be covered head to toe, outside in broad-daylight, and face abuse or harassment - it does happen.

Sadly, because of all the corruption and fitnah outside, for a women to travel with a mahram is as important as it has ever been.

format_quote Originally Posted by popsthebuilder

I am american and read the Quran and also other core sacred texts.....none of which are originally written in English.

Is there a reference in the Quran commanding that prayer be both ritualistic habit in nature, and too, only received from habit and repetition in Arabic?

Thanks in advance.

Does the Quran permit you to recite in non Arabic while praying...?