Music and Islam...

So the summary is all musical instrument are haram except the Arab drum And all singing other than the Quran is discouraged as per the Quran & authentic sunnah.
I think all the gravitation of sub continent Muslims towards music, songs , instrument as part of their devotional approach is a Hindu legacy/culture and has nothing to do with true Islam.

If Music is not mentioned in Quran and Quran is the perfected detailed and complete revelation of Allaha to call all music and musical instruments a sin is surely as great or greater sin than to be distracted by worldly pleasure and entertainment.

There is a repeated clear warning about adding laws and restrictions to the Quran?

Discussing this topic is like beating a dead horse over and over again, every single day!

Quran:

Allaah says in Soorat Luqmaan (interpretation of the meaning):


“And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks (i.e. music, singing) to mislead (men) from the path of Allaah…” [Luqmaan 31:6]


The scholar of the ummah, Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: this means singing. Mujaahid (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: this means playing the drum (tabl). (Tafseer al-Tabari, 21/40).


Al-Hasan al-Basri (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: this aayah was revealed concerning singing and musical instruments (lit. woodwind instruments). (Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 3/451).


Al-Sa’di (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: this includes all manner of haraam speech, all idle talk and falsehood, and all nonsense that encourages kufr and disobedience; the words of those who say things to refute the truth and argue in support of falsehood to defeat the truth; and backbiting, slander, lies, insults and curses; the singing and musical instruments of the Shaytaan; and musical instruments which are of no spiritual or worldly benefit. (Tafseer al-Sa’di, 6/150)

Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: The interpretation of the Sahaabah and Taabi’in, that ‘idle talk’ refers to singing, is sufficient.



Hadith:


The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:


“Among my ummah there will certainly be people who permit zinaa, silk, alcohol and musical instruments…” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari ta’leeqan, no. 5590; narrated as mawsool by al-Tabaraani and al-Bayhaqi. See al-Silsilah al-Saheehah by al-Albaani, 91).

This hadeeth indicates in two ways that musical instruments and enjoyment of listening to music are haraam. The first is the fact that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “[they] permit” which clearly indicates that the things mentioned, including musical instruments, are haraam according to sharee’ah, but those people will permit them. The second is the fact that musical instruments are mentioned alongside things which are definitely known to be haraam, i.e., zinaa and alcohol: if they (musical instruments) were not haraam, why would they be mentioned alongside these things? (adapted from al-Silsilah al-Saheehah by al-Albaani, 1/140-141)

so take your Al-Qaradawi or whatever two bit scholar that thinks otherwise and go sit stand in the line of the deviants. Do you really think such scholars or people rank above the first 3 generations or the Prophet?


As for the "arab" drum, it's not an arab drum. It's a duff/daff or a one sided drum that is common in the world and it is the only one that was allowed and it too was allowed only on special occasions, such as weddings or call to war and it was allowed only for women at weddings. THAT is the real pure Islam, all other are watered down versions of Islam and people who are playing with fire.

End of discussion.

format_quote Originally Posted by Zzz_

Discussing this topic is like beating a dead horse over and over again, every single day!

You know, there is a reason why this topic is still on going and doesnt wanna stop (Its very well alive). And that reason is far from lack on knowledge about it.

format_quote Originally Posted by Supernova

Music is outright haram.

For those people who consider it halaal - Visit their own masjids and ask them if they brave enough to play music in the musjid on our lovely day of Juumuah, eid Etc Etc.

The very same scholars who deem this halaal would suddenly frown at that very thought.

Can you imagine going for Jummuah in any musjid in the world and they blasting Music whilst all the people are walking in , blasting the music just before the Friday lecture, then blast the music just before the Khutbah !!!!

Furthermore would they blast the Music they deem as Halaal during salaah for example while everybody goes in Ruku ???

All these "Ulema" who regard it as "halaal" wont even dare to do any of the above because the truth of the situation is they intrinsically know its Haraam.

Can you imagine a Musjid playing "Halaal" Music whilst you in Ruku or Sujood ???? !!!!!!

It baffles me that the very same people who regard certain music to be halaal - If the imam is giving a Talk and someone has that very same "Halaal" music on their phone and that music plays during the Lecture - Those very imams will frown even at that point !!!

Sometimes İ get amazed by your logic.
With the same logic...go to your own masjid and ask if you can have commercials during jumaah or eid etc.

The very same scholars who deem this halaal would suddenly frown at that very thought.

Can you imagine going for Jummuah in any musjid in the world and they blasting "GET YOUR FRESH FRUİT AND VEGETABLES AT AL HASANS...ONLY TODAY EVERYTHİNG HALF PRİCE!!" whilst all the people are walking in , blasting the commercials just before the Friday lecture, then blast the commercials just before the Khutbah !!!!

Furthermore would they blast the commercials they deem as Halaal during salaah for example while everybody goes in Ruku ???

All these "Ulema" who regard it as "halaal" wont even dare to do any of the above because the truth of the situation is they intrinsically know its Haraam? İ do not think so...you just dont do such things.

Can you imagine a Musjid blasting "WİTH HASANS SUPERGLUE YOUR TOUPET WİLL NEVER FALL OFF YOUR HEAD DURİNG SALAAT...NO MORE EMBARASSEMENT DURİNG RUKU OR SUJOOD...MAYBE HES BORN WİTH İT....MAYBE İTS HASANS SUPERGLUE!! whilst you in Ruku or Sujood ???? !!!!!!
Music is not halaal...that is clear...but the example you are giving...is just ridiculous.

format_quote Originally Posted by ChosenTCO

You know, there is a reason why this topic is still on going and doesnt wanna stop (Its very well alive). And that reason is far from lack on knowledge about it.

yes,2 reasons.

1. shayatan invented music and wants you to be his servant not Allah's
2. people follow their nafs and claim to be muslims who submit while making haram halal

format_quote Originally Posted by Supernova

You need to expand your view to what happens in the sub continent to understand that point I have made.

On the sub continent they have Kawalis and so on in Musjids … You wont get my point if you do not know the degree that is extended too.

OK, I do not know what kawalis are. did a quick google and found "is a form of Sufi devotional music popular in South Asia".
I do know islamic hymns. there are Turkish hymns you can find on youtube...a religious substitute for music let us say. is that the same thing or something similar?
do they play these in masjids? and during salaat?
that is not OK of course.
In that case I suddenly understand your post...I never knew this was so popular in south Asia.
Turkish hymns are about Islam, and usually contain less musical instruments...but it is not so that people do religious stuff while listening to hymns like praying or zikr or something.
Still not OK, but at least it is not an innovation in the way of how you pray.

Kawwali or Quwaalis are not sufi music. A more prompt definition would be : a style of Muslim devotional music now associated particularly with Sufis in Pakistan.

It's not a devotional music of any sort. It is just type of genre in the music industry. Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan used to sing shia based quwalis, where as all the quwalis of Mughal - E - Azam (old hindi movie) are more royalty devotional entertainment and romance based and yet another old movie Barsat Ki Raat shows quwalis as nothing more then poetic competitions. Naats are more muslim devotional singing, often religion based and praising the prophet or the holy cities or something else.

If these subcontinent people put as much effort into practicing Islam as they do with these cultural non-sense, taking it be sign of religiousness, it be better for them.

format_quote Originally Posted by Zzz_

yes,2 reasons.

1. shayatan invented music and wants you to be his servant not Allah's
2. people follow their nafs and claim to be muslims who submit while making haram halal

Ok. Lets take your two conditions and see if other sins have these 2 conditions yet are not controversial at all.

1. Wearing silk/gold for men
2. Getting Tattoos
3. Backbiting
4. Extravagance
5. Drinking alcohol
6. Loans with interest

How about carnal desires that are much more controlling and embedded in the nafs than music?

1. Desire to reproduce - Zina
2. Desire for power through money - Not giving zakat
3. Desire to each - Not fasting ramadan

All of these are sins that barely anyone argues about. No one tries to find texts or scholars that go against these commands and prohibitions in islam. So it seems that these 2 conditions arent the main causes of these topics being controversial.

However, if you look at topics that are considered controversial in islam, you would realise that the thing they mainly have in common is a lack of clear cut text in the Quran or Sunnah addressing the issue giving a blunt command or prohibition on the matter.

Take our original topic of music for example. The ayaa you mentioned that supposedly prohibits music/songs specifically mentions Lahw Al hadeeth [ literally translates to distracting/unimportant tales/narrations/stories/conversations ]. Suggesting that the quran actually meant to say musical instruments instead of what it actually says in the quran (which is "Lahw Al hadeeth"=Idle tales/talk) is like saying one of 2 things:

1. Either Allah didnt use the correct word to address musical instruments and referred to them as hadith
2. Or that the language used has no solid meaning and its ok for one word to mean something different from what it says.

If we consider both the words of the salaf and the context of when the ayaa was sent down instead of us just cherry picking some things from the words of the salaf, we may just get a more reasonable meaning.
The ayaa was sent down to address those who used to prefer listening to the Kuffar who were trying to distract others from the Prophet and his companions when they were inviting people to the path of Allah. These kuffar used all sorts of distracting methods such as bringing beautiful women to sing outloud or talk about interesting tales and stories. Most of the songs were accompanied with musical instruments while the Prophet was preaching. Can we then cherry pick and conclude that the ayaa specifically talks about any and all kinds of singing and musical instruments? or is it more appropriate to say what the ayaa actually says and addresses (which was any and all talk that DISTRACTS US FROM THE PATH OF ALLAH)? which seems more reasonable and correct to you?

Taking into consideration the words of the salaf is just as important as the context of the ayaa to deduce its meaning. But taking the words of the salaf alone can cause us to misunderstand the entire religion causing more harm that not considering anything in the first place, because that would be deforming the religion in the first place. Musical instruments shouldnt be outright banned (so long as there is no clear cut text from Quran or Sunnah that says so) just because some misguided people used it for their cause, nor should talking or saying any kind of fun stories.

Dude ... Seriously, if your able to find a single flaw in my argument i promise you i will rethink my stance on music. Im not here to argue blindly or be arrogant towards others. Im here to share my knowledge with others and am willing grow my intellect by reading and learning from others' knowledge. Anyways, may Allah guide us to what is right and more balanced for our soul and religion.

format_quote Originally Posted by ChosenTCO

However, if you look at topics that are considered controversial in islam, you would realise that the thing they mainly have in common is a lack of clear cut text in the Quran or Sunnah addressing the issue giving a blunt command or prohibition on the matter.

I stopped reading after this paragraph. I suggest going back and reading my first post and keep reading it till it sinks in. The Quran is clear cut on it and the sahabahs (experts of the Quran, present when it was revealed) testified what those verses meant. And the Hadith is clear cut on it, equating it to major sins like alcohol and zina.

Now there are other hadiths that shows Prophet allowed girls to be singing and having fun, 1. those were girls, kids. and 2. when the older girls did it it was at wedding time or eid. The duff too had a specific purpose, either use it to call to war or women use for wedding celebrations. Although it is allowed to beat it doesn't mean men of today beat on it like women, singing their nasheeds. Men singing nasheeds like women and making a career out of it or singing with music like the kuffar has no part in Islam or sunnah.

Real men of Islam don't go get involved in womanly or effeminate matters. Those who get involved in it are not following pure true Islam. Sugar coat it how you like, believe whatever you want, that is the truth. If Muslim men want to sing like little girls or listen to other sing then fine go do it, but make no excuses and justification that it's allowed in Islam or there is a controversy over it. NO, that is not nor has it ever been the case. You can go quote your mullahs all you want they have no authority above the sahabas and the Prophet nor the quran and the hadith.

There are idiots who like to make haram halal and vice versa and they try to use islam to do so. Like this shaytan on a paki forum posted:

Music is Halal & Allowed in Islam[ Sahih Bukhari & Muslim Hadith]

Volume 2, Book 15, Number 103:

Narrated 'Urwa on the authority of 'Aisha:

On the days of Mina, (11th, 12th, and 13th of Dhul-Hijjah) Abu Bakr came to her while two young girls were beating the tambourine and the Prophet was lying covered with his clothes. Abu Bakr scolded them and the Prophet uncovered his face and said to Abu Bakr, "Leave them, for these days are the days of 'Id and the days of Mina." 'Aisha further said, "Once the Prophet was screening me and I was watching the display of black slaves in the Mosque and ('Umar) scolded them. The Prophet said, 'Leave them. O Bani Arfida! (carry on), you are safe (protected)'."

Same person is posting videos of Tahir ul Qadri and using him as his "islamic" reference. Really? This is the best these shayateen can do?

Regarding that hadith above, Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وسلم) said "Leave them Abu Bakr, for every nation has an 'Id (i.e. festival) and this day is our 'Id." (Sahih Bukhari, Book #58, Hadith #268). This Hadeeth combined with other hadeeths shows permissibility or relaxation of playing music by small girls during Eid or marriage ceremony inside their home (not publicly).

Contrary to that so many hadith are against music:

Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: “In this Ummah will be earthquakes, disfiguration (of faces which will be transformed into apes and pigs) and showers of stone (descending o-n them from the heaven).” A man from among the Muslimeen said: “O Rasulullah! When will this be?” Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: “When singing girls and musical instruments will become profuse and when liquor will be consumed (in abundance).”(Tirmizi)

Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: “During the last of ages (in close proximity to Qiyaamah) a nation from my Ummah will be disfigured (and transformed) into apes and pigs.” The Sahaabah said: “O Rasulullah! Will they be Muslim?” Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: “Yes. They will be testifying that there is no deity but Allah and that I am His Rasool, and they will be fasting (in the month of Ramadhaan).” The Sahaabah asked: “O Rasulullah! What will be their condition (to warrant such chastisement)?” Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: “They will be indulging in musical instruments, singing girls, musical drums, and they will be consuming liquor. They will o-ne night go to sleep after their liquor and amusement. When they arise in the morning, they will have been disfigured (and transformed into apes and pigs).” (Kaf-fur Ruaa’)

Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: “When my Ummah indulges in fifteen misdeeds, calamities will settle o-n them. Among these are singing girls and musical instruments.” (Tirmizi)

Hadhrat Naafi’ (radhiyallahu anhu) narrates: “Once when Hadhrat Abdullah Bin Umar (radhiyallahu anhu) heard the sound of a shepherd’s flute, he placed his fingers in both ears (to block the sound of the music), and he diverted his mount from that path. (As they rode o-n), he would say: ‘O Naafi’, can you still hear (the sound)?’ I would say: ‘Yes.’ He would then continue riding. o-nly when I said: ‘I can no longer hear it’, did he remove his fingers from his ears. Then he returned to the road. He then said: ‘I saw Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) doing like this when he had heard the flute of a shepherd.” (Ahmad and Abu Dawood)

Hadhrat Abdullah Bin Umar (radhiyallahu anhu) narrates: “Verily, Nabi (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) made haraam liquor, gambling, the musical drum and the tambourine. And, every intoxicant is haraam.” (Ahmad and Abu Dawood)

Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: “Verily, Allah has made haraam liquor, gambling, the musical drum, and every intoxicant is haraam.” (Ahmad, Abu Dawood, Baihqi, etc.)


So I say it again, It IS clear and cut where Islam stands on this topic. The only controversy here is that of people of nafs and their mullahs trying to make it halal so they don't feel guilty about it. You want to go listen then fine go listen but don't try to use Islam to justify it. You will only make your punishment in the Hereafter more severe.