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    I’m asking this because, I read somewhere on the internet that someone said that the Prophet said something like this “those who throw themselves, will be thrown into Hell and never will they escape from it”. And in another thing is that a scholar said that if God wills He’ll punish temporary the Muslim who committed suicide or He’ll reward him just as mercy, and in here I’m confused.

    I started to think that what Prophet said it sounded to me like suicide is the sin of disbelief.

    My question is: if a Muslim commits suicide, will he be punished forever? Or just temporary?
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    Re: If a Muslim commits suicide will he be punished forever? Or just temporary?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Nitro Zeus View Post
    I’m asking this because, I read somewhere on the internet that someone said that the Prophet said something like this “those who throw themselves, will be thrown into Hell and never will they escape from it”. And in another thing is that a scholar said that if God wills He’ll punish temporary the Muslim who committed suicide or He’ll reward him just as mercy, and in here I’m confused.

    I started to think that what Prophet said it sounded to me like suicide is the sin of disbelief.

    My question is: if a Muslim commits suicide, will he be punished forever? Or just temporary?
    My understanding the act of committing suicide is like kufir and you will be in hellfire forever with the same punishment as the one who did to himself that caused his death. If I electrocute myself I will be electrocuted forever in hellfire and so on. Not planning to kill yourself I hope!!
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    Re: If a Muslim commits suicide will he be punished forever? Or just temporary?

    There is a difference between suicide simply for the sake of escaping life -which is unlawful, and a lawful operation in the course of establishment of truth and justice for Allah's sake.
    This is seen in the difference between a person who - - - slits his/her wrists or jumps off a boat/height in order to drown or disintegrate despite there being no immediate need to escape rape or torture for unlawful extraction of information which it is necessary to safeguard - - - and a person who swerves his/her vehicle off a rocky cliff or aircraft into the ground in order to avoid hitting innocents/ or jumps into the path of a bullet for a just leader as some companions took arrows in their backs in the course of shielding the Prophet .
    The story of the boy and the king - where Allah saves him after his requests - from the boat, and then from the rocky cliff, and then he tells the tyrant how to kill him - for the sake of awakening the people and giving them courage and assurance of his belief in his teaching and of life after death.

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    Can you please clarify the meaning of the verse of 2.195] And spend in the way of Allah and cast not yourselves to ? perdition ? (((at-tahlukah means destruction/shaving clean off/total removal))) with your own hands, and do good ; surely Allah loves the doers of good.
    I am confused because on this fatwa it refered to not spending in the cause of Allah The question number 46807 .
    but then I read another fatwa where it said refered to it as killing yourself If I have understood it correctly Sheik. The question number 21589 Can you please clarify Sheik?.

    Published Date: 2009-06-06

    Praise be to Allaah.
    The scholars – mufassireen, fuqaha’ and others -- are unanimously agreed that the verse in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And spend in the Cause of Allaah (i.e. Jihad of all kinds) and do not throw yourselves into destruction (by not spending your wealth in the Cause of Allaah), and do good. Truly, Allaah loves Al-Muhsinoon (the good-doers)” [al-Baqarah 2:195] was revealed in the context of enjoining spending, and with regard to the reason for the revelation of this verse it was narrated that some of the Sahaabah wanted to focus on their farms and trade, and forsake jihad for the sake of Allaah, and Allaah warned them against doing that in this verse.

    Imam al-Bukhaari (may Allaah have mercy on him) narrated from Hudhayfah ibn al-Yamaan (may Allaah be pleased with him) that he said concerning this verse: It was revealed concerning spending (in the way of Allaah). End quote. (al-Bukhaari, no. 4516).

    Al-Tirmidhi (2972) narrated that Aslam Abu ‘Imraan said: We were in the city of the Byzantines and there came out to us a large number of Byzantines. One of the Muslim men charged at the Byzantine ranks until he penetrated among them, and the people shouted and said: Subhaan Allaah! He has thrown himself into destruction! Abu Ayyoob al-Ansaari stood up and said: O people, you are misinterpreting this verse. Rather this verse was revealed concerning us Ansaar, when Allaah granted victory to Islam and the number of its supporters increased. We said to one another in private, and not to the Messenger of Allaah (blessings and peace of Allaah be upon him): Our wealth and property have diminished. Allaah has granted victory to Islam and the number of its supporters has increased. We should focus on our wealth and property and try to take care of them. Then Allaah revealed to His Prophet (blessings and peace of Allaah be upon him) a verse which refuted what we said: “And spend in the Cause of Allaah (i.e. Jihad of all kinds) and do not throw yourselves into destruction (by not spending your wealth in the Cause of Allaah)”. So destruction here referred to focusing on wealth and property, and abandoning jihad. Abu Ayyoob continued to strive in jihad for the sake of Allaah until he was buried in Constantinople.

    Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in al-Silsilah al-Saheehah, 13.

    Despite that, the scholars -- both earlier and later -- also quoted this verse as evidence to show that it is forbidden to kill oneself or harm oneself or throw oneself into destruction by any means, based on the general meaning of the words of the verse and by analogy, and they affirmed the basic usooli principle which says: what counts is the general meaning of the words, not the specific reason for revelation.

    Al-Haafiz Ibn Hajar (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

    As for restricting it to that -- meaning restricting the verse to the matter of not spending for the sake of Allaah -- that is subject to further discussion, because what counts is the general meaning of the wording. End quote.

    Fath al-Baari, 8/185

    Al-Shawkaani (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

    i.e., do not do that which will bring about your destruction. The salaf had a number of opinions concerning the meaning of the verse. The truth is that what matters is the general meaning of the wording not the specific reason for revelation. Everything that may be called destruction in religious or worldly terms is included in that. This is the general meaning of the wording not the specific reason for revelation. Everything that may be called destruction in religious or worldly terms is included in that. This is the view of Ibn Jareer al-Tabari. End quote.

    Fath al-Qadeer, 1/193

    This is also indicated by the various interpretations that the salaf gave for this verse. It was narrated from al-Bara’ ibn ‘Aazib (may Allaah be pleased with him) that he regarded the one who committed a sin then despaired of the mercy of Allaah as throwing himself into destruction.

    Ibn Hajar said in Fath al-Baari (8/33): It was narrated by Ibn Jareer and Ibn al-Mundhir with a saheeh isnaad.

    Thus it becomes clear that the two answers previously given on our website do not contradict one another. What is mentioned in question number 46807 explains the reason for the revelation of this verse and the context in which it was revealed.

    The answer to question number 21589 is quoting as evidence the general meaning of the wording of the verse, and explaining that it is not permissible to throw oneself into destruction in any sense, whatever the form of this destruction or harm.

    And Allaah knows best.


    https://islamqa.info/en/117275

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    The biggest throwing of the self into destruction is the throwing of the self into eternal hellfire via injustice in rebellion to Allah the Creator and Sustainer of the heavens and of the earth who creates the like of them and more, and who raises the dead and judges and rewards in true justice.
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    Re: If a Muslim commits suicide will he be punished forever? Or just temporary?

    Killing oneself is a major sin, and there are stern warnings addressed to the one who does that, but it does not put one beyond the pale of Islam. The one who killed himself should be washed and the funeral prayer offered for him, and he should be buried with the Muslims, because he is a sinner, but he is not a kaafir; killing oneself is a sin, it is not kufr. And Like all sinners he will go to hell for his sins but because he is still a Muslim, he will not stay there forever.

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    Re: If a Muslim commits suicide will he be punished forever? Or just temporary?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Zzz_ View Post
    Killing oneself is a major sin, and there are stern warnings addressed to the one who does that, but it does not put one beyond the pale of Islam. The one who killed himself should be washed and the funeral prayer offered for him, and he should be buried with the Muslims, because he is a sinner, but he is not a kaafir; killing oneself is a sin, it is not kufr. And Like all sinners he will go to hell for his sins but because he is still a Muslim, he will not stay there forever.

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    Exactly. I fully agree with this.
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    Re: If a Muslim commits suicide will he be punished forever? Or just temporary?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Zzz_ View Post
    Killing oneself is a major sin, and there are stern warnings addressed to the one who does that, but it does not put one beyond the pale of Islam. The one who killed himself should be washed and the funeral prayer offered for him, and he should be buried with the Muslims, because he is a sinner, but he is not a kaafir; killing oneself is a sin, it is not kufr. And Like all sinners he will go to hell for his sins but because he is still a Muslim, he will not stay there forever.

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    I thought that it is not permissible to offer prayers for forgiveness for him because also the Prophet didn’t prayed for forgiveness for one who committed suicide.
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    Re: If a Muslim commits suicide will he be punished forever? Or just temporary?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Zzz_ View Post
    Killing oneself is a major sin, and there are stern warnings addressed to the one who does that, but it does not put one beyond the pale of Islam. The one who killed himself should be washed and the funeral prayer offered for him, and he should be buried with the Muslims, because he is a sinner, but he is not a kaafir; killing oneself is a sin, it is not kufr. And Like all sinners he will go to hell for his sins but because he is still a Muslim, he will not stay there forever.

    https://islamqa.info/en/22407
    Allah knows best as to whether the act is kufr or sin or virtue - it depends much on the circumstances - if the person has no hope in his/her meeting with Allah and the rising and judgement on the last day then it may be that the person is dying on kufr and will go to hell.

    If the person is sacrificing his/her life for Allah whilst decimating the ranks of the enemies of truth and justice, the enemies of Allah - it may be that the person is seeking an exchange for full pardon of sins and may even go to paradise.

    Not everybody reaches hell although everybody commits sins - whether the person goes to hell before paradise, or to eternal hell, or to immediate paradise depends on many variables - including:
    Whether the person sought and accepted the straightest path and call of truth, strove hard, and died upon it.
    What his/her results were on the scales of true justice - and this depends on:
    Whether Allah was so pleased with some good deeds or even a single good deed of the person that they are heavy enough to outweigh or even drive the good scale of the person to the floor despite many shortfalls.
    Whether Allah was so angry with some evil deeds or even a single evil deed of the person that they are enough to outweigh or even drive the evil scale of the person to the floor despite many good deeds
    - and so on.


    And Allah knows best.



    ﴿سورة البقرة﴾

    ٧٨) وَمِنْهُمْ أُمِّيُّونَ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ الْكِتَابَ إِلَّا أَمَانِيَّ وَإِنْ هُمْ إِلَّا يَظُنُّونَ

    ٧٩) فَوَيْلٌ لِلَّذِينَ يَكْتُبُونَ الْكِتَابَ بِأَيْدِيهِمْ ثُمَّ يَقُولُونَ هَٰذَا مِنْ عِنْدِ اللَّهِ لِيَشْتَرُوا بِهِ ثَمَنًا قَلِيلًا ۖ فَوَيْلٌ لَهُمْ مِمَّا كَتَبَتْ أَيْدِيهِمْ وَوَيْلٌ لَهُمْ مِمَّا يَكْسِبُونَ

    ٨٠) وَقَالُوا لَنْ تَمَسَّنَا النَّارُ إِلَّا أَيَّامًا مَعْدُودَةً ۚ قُلْ أَتَّخَذْتُمْ عِنْدَ اللَّهِ عَهْدًا فَلَنْ يُخْلِفَ اللَّهُ عَهْدَهُ ۖ أَمْ تَقُولُونَ عَلَى اللَّهِ مَا لَا تَعْلَمُونَ

    ٨١) بَلَىٰ مَنْ كَسَبَ سَيِّئَةً وَأَحَاطَتْ بِهِ خَطِيئَتُهُ فَأُولَٰئِكَ أَصْحَابُ النَّارِ ۖ هُمْ فِيهَا خَالِدُونَ

    ٨٢) وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَعَمِلُوا الصَّالِحَاتِ أُولَٰئِكَ أَصْحَابُ الْجَنَّةِ ۖ هُمْ فِيهَا خَالِدُونَ

    [Quran Chapter 2]

    78. And among them are uneducated who know the Scripture only through hearsay, and they only speculate.

    79. So woe to those who write the Scripture with their own hands, and then say, "This is from Allah," that they may exchange it for a little price. Woe to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for what they earn.

    80. And they say, "The Fire will not touch us except for a number of days." Say, "Have you received a promise from Allah—Allah never breaks His promise—or are you saying about Allah what you do not know?"

    81. Indeed, whoever commits misdeeds, and becomes besieged by his iniquities—these are the inmates of the Fire, wherein they will dwell forever.

    82. As for those who believe and do righteous deeds—these are the inhabitants of Paradise, wherein they will dwell forever.

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    See also:

    https://islamqa.info/en/138650




    ﴿سورة الفرقان﴾

    ٦٢) وَهُوَ الَّذِي جَعَلَ اللَّيْلَ وَالنَّهَارَ خِلْفَةً لِمَنْ أَرَادَ أَنْ يَذَّكَّرَ أَوْ أَرَادَ شُكُورًا

    ٦٣) وَعِبَادُ الرَّحْمَٰنِ الَّذِينَ يَمْشُونَ عَلَى الْأَرْضِ هَوْنًا وَإِذَا خَاطَبَهُمُ الْجَاهِلُونَ قَالُوا سَلَامًا

    ٦٤) وَالَّذِينَ يَبِيتُونَ لِرَبِّهِمْ سُجَّدًا وَقِيَامًا

    ٦٥) وَالَّذِينَ يَقُولُونَ رَبَّنَا اصْرِفْ عَنَّا عَذَابَ جَهَنَّمَ ۖ إِنَّ عَذَابَهَا كَانَ غَرَامًا

    ٦٦) إِنَّهَا سَاءَتْ مُسْتَقَرًّا وَمُقَامًا

    ٦٧) وَالَّذِينَ إِذَا أَنْفَقُوا لَمْ يُسْرِفُوا وَلَمْ يَقْتُرُوا وَكَانَ بَيْنَ ذَٰلِكَ قَوَامًا

    ٦٨) وَالَّذِينَ لَا يَدْعُونَ مَعَ اللَّهِ إِلَٰهًا آخَرَ وَلَا يَقْتُلُونَ النَّفْسَ الَّتِي حَرَّمَ اللَّهُ إِلَّا بِالْحَقِّ وَلَا يَزْنُونَ ۚ وَمَنْ يَفْعَلْ ذَٰلِكَ يَلْقَ أَثَامًا

    ٦٩) يُضَاعَفْ لَهُ الْعَذَابُ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ وَيَخْلُدْ فِيهِ مُهَانًا

    ٧٠) إِلَّا مَنْ تَابَ وَآمَنَ وَعَمِلَ عَمَلًا صَالِحًا فَأُولَٰئِكَ يُبَدِّلُ اللَّهُ سَيِّئَاتِهِمْ حَسَنَاتٍ ۗ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ غَفُورًا رَحِيمًا

    ٧١) وَمَنْ تَابَ وَعَمِلَ صَالِحًا فَإِنَّهُ يَتُوبُ إِلَى اللَّهِ مَتَابًا

    ٧٢) وَالَّذِينَ لَا يَشْهَدُونَ الزُّورَ وَإِذَا مَرُّوا بِاللَّغْوِ مَرُّوا كِرَامًا

    ٧٣) وَالَّذِينَ إِذَا ذُكِّرُوا بِآيَاتِ رَبِّهِمْ لَمْ يَخِرُّوا عَلَيْهَا صُمًّا وَعُمْيَانًا

    ٧٤) وَالَّذِينَ يَقُولُونَ رَبَّنَا هَبْ لَنَا مِنْ أَزْوَاجِنَا وَذُرِّيَّاتِنَا قُرَّةَ أَعْيُنٍ وَاجْعَلْنَا لِلْمُتَّقِينَ إِمَامًا

    ٧٥) أُولَٰئِكَ يُجْزَوْنَ الْغُرْفَةَ بِمَا صَبَرُوا وَيُلَقَّوْنَ فِيهَا تَحِيَّةً وَسَلَامًا

    ٧٦) خَالِدِينَ فِيهَا ۚ حَسُنَتْ مُسْتَقَرًّا وَمُقَامًا

    ٧٧) قُلْ مَا يَعْبَأُ بِكُمْ رَبِّي لَوْلَا دُعَاؤُكُمْ ۖ فَقَدْ كَذَّبْتُمْ فَسَوْفَ يَكُونُ لِزَامًا

    [Quran Chapter 25]

    62. And it is He who made the night and the day alternate—for whoever desires to reflect, or desires to show gratitude.

    63. The servants of the Merciful are those who walk the earth in humility, and when the ignorant address them, they say, "Peace."

    64. And those who pass the night prostrating themselves to their Lord and standing up.

    65. And those who say, ''Our Lord, avert from us the suffering of Hell, for its suffering is continuous.

    66. It is indeed a miserable residence and destination."

    67. And those who, when they spend, are neither wasteful nor stingy, but choose a middle course between that.

    68. And those who do not implore besides Allah any other god, and do not kill the soul which Allah has made sacred—except in the pursuit of justice—and do not commit adultery. Whoever does that will face penalties.

    69. The punishment will be doubled for him on the Day of Resurrection, and he will dwell therein in humiliation forever.

    70. Except for those who repent, and believe, and do good deeds. These—Allah will replace their bad deeds with good deeds. Allah is ever Forgiving and Merciful.

    71. Whoever repents and acts righteously—has inclined towards Allah with repentance.

    72. And those who do not bear false witness; and when they come across indecencies, they pass by with dignity.

    73. And those who, when reminded of the revelations of their Lord, do not fall before them deaf and blind.

    74. And those who say, "Our Lord, grant us delight in our spouses and our children, and make us a good example for the righteous."

    75. Those will be awarded the Chamber (((lofty rooms/dwelling/mansion on high))) for their patience, and will be greeted therein with greetings and peace.

    76. Abiding therein forever—it is an excellent residence and destination.

    77. Say, "What are you to my Lord without your prayers? You have denied the truth, and the inevitable will happen."

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    Re: If a Muslim commits suicide will he be punished forever? Or just temporary?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Nitro Zeus View Post
    I thought that it is not permissible to offer prayers for forgiveness for him because also the Prophet didn’t prayed for forgiveness for one who committed suicide.
    The prophet (S) did not prayer over one who did such an act nor do the scholars. They do not pray over such a person to deter others from taking that path. The normal everyday Muslims can pray over them as they did at the times of Prophet (S). This is also in the link.
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    On the other hand: don't forget that Allah (SWT) is Most Merciful!
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