We have all the instructions we need, I am not sure what another prophet could do.
Muslims claim similarly that Islam provides all the rules necessary for the perfect justice system as well as for every day life in general. Many times I heard that the Islamic scriptures provide the solutions for all modern problems.
That's a huge claim to make, now, can you back it up and prove it ?
The answer is "No".
There has never been a perfect or close to perfect Islamic State.
I tried to address that claim on one of my "Closed" threads with no convincing answers.None of the more than 50 countries with Muslim majority implements 100% sharia.
How is that possible ? So perfect that not even Muslims dare to adopt it.
My personal opinion is that Muslims know deep inside that those regulations would never work in this modern world.They need to be updated, but how ?
You cannot update and change God's rules with man made ones.
I would love to see an 100% sharia country.
Imaging walking thru the streets and noticing people with missing hands, others missing feet and limbs.
Approaching the park you can witness an adultery stoning.
Further up the street there is a public execution of a gay person, you cover your eyes from the sun because they're going to drop him from a tall building.
Just another day in a perfect world.
How much longer do we have to wait for it ?
Disclaimer: The previous imaginary scenario is based purely on my own research. No disrespect intended.
Thanks for asking.
Based on my research in many Muslim countries a woman who accuses a man of rape automatically is admitting having sex with the rapist (that's how some police interpret it).
In most cases (according to statistics) the rape case is going to be dismissed.
But now she can be accused of adultery or fornication as many real cases have shown.
My question:
Do Muslims trust the justice system and report rape cases?
The risks are:
Being charged with adultery or fornication.
Social shame.
Family honor.
Even getting killed by her own family.
Thanks for you reply
I feel as if your questions was already answered a while back when you first asked about it. Why do you keep asking a question based on something that has already been proven to you is false?? I did not read all the replies, but just by reading a few, there were plenty of links proving to you that rape and adultery are not the same. So why do you seem to push for the same question? Are you hoping someone will finally admit that Islam is against women? Are you attempting to validate your own misconceptions?
If that is the case, all I can say is, please let us women judge for ourselves. cinnamonrolls1, myself and many other sisters have already confirmed to you that we don't share your views. What else would you want? (and let me reassure you, I do not have a man forcing me to write this!)
when it's relating to a perpetual unrepentant liar -It's called prudence.
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Again, no answers under the fear of being manipulated into a taboo topic, but still claiming the truth has been shown.
I came for your personal opinions not to be shown a link which I could have found myself
you already posted a list of obscure and baseless personal opinions despite being shown how the Prophet did NOT accuse her of adultery or fornication and almost ended up punishing an innocent man, this must have taught him to be cautious in judgement too - and it is no wonder there are no direct Quranic instructions on the issue - since it requires context.
what's the benefit of getting another list?
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Why are you guys so defensive ?
No more defensive than if we saw a snake slithering around.
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What are you so afraid of ?
It's only a discussion.
Again - a prejudiCED accusation repackaged as a question.
You'll get a good idea of how it works when khilafah on the method of prophethood is established, other than that you'll get around three billion opinions.
Raymann, we're frustrated, because you are buying into the media and into stereotypes. Your're making Muslims out to be some sort of "foreign" group who dont think the same way as others. Im sure most muslim fathers are just like any other fathers and would be horrified if any thing halpened to their kids and would report it. Oh yeah, and its not just Muslims who are supposedly fixated on honour etc. India's hindu population( and i am in no way generalising Hindus here, or anything, i will never blame one whole group for the actions of some idiots) have also commited honour killings etc. Y'all just see an Arab person, or a brown person and think theyre muslim.
Egypt is partly coptic, to say that every single crime against women etc or killings etc is commited by Muslims in Egypt is wrong. Do you understand my point? Its not just Muslims who have these cultures etc. China also has had a strong association with honor and dishonour etc- iv heard stories online abt chinese/japanese folk hating their kids cos they married someone who was Chinese/japanese.
It's probably more a method of some Godless people to take the spotlight off themselves by attempting to project their own indiscretions onto others without proper context.
It's probably more a method of some Godless people to take the spotlight off themselves by attempting to project their own indiscretions onto others without proper context.
Poor lady di.
Funny how Raymann thinks that his law is Justice and Islamic law is injustice....when the biggest SEXIST ever are the kufar and mushrikeen and atheist and Western law. They are so fixated into women's right that a grown up married teacher who have sex with a 14 year old boy at school, she literally fiddles with him...does <censor> to his private parts and she only gets probation but reverse the order and the man is hanged by his private part and sentence for life in prison.
Are you kidding me? You'r kidding me...your laws are full of wormholes, injustice, discrimination, double standard, unfairness, and then scream in the media that somehow on this other side the side of jahanam, the side of hellfire is somehow greener than where you are which is the side of paradise and justice. No thank you raymann, no thank you. You can keep your false God that you worship that is called the state and you can keep your feminism and women empowerment and your Western ideologies and laws to yourself thank you so muuuch! I do not need it. Do not want it. Do not want to have anything to do with it. While your soo fixated toward's women getting raped..I do not see you fixated towards boys getting raped by men or womenor their own MOTHERS. Do I? No. no no no..that is not important alone. Who cares about welfare's of boys been raped. Oh no. Who cares if boys are dressed like girls and starts dancing for men out there...I do not see you talking about. Nope. Nu uh. What about all these men who got raped in your country. Do I see you talking about them? Nope. Nothing. Nada. You are aware in USA the largest group on Earth who are raped are men, not women, but men? Do I see you talk about that? Why is there no rally of men in USA who are fighting against injustice towards them? No one in USA takes men seriously...I do not blame them. Why should they? If they have men like you raymann.
How come I do not see you mentioning how your men and boys are failing at school in your country raymann? How come I do not see you coming here asking for help in how to fix the issue? How come raymann I do not see you rallying at public areas against injustice towards false allegation, eh raymann? How come? How come you are not taking a political step towards the injustice raymann? Hey raymann - knocks on his forehead - Do you have any brain matter in there raymann? Do you think raymann? Or are you just a blind zombie posting the same <censor> statement over and over? Hey raymann how come you are not fighting against family court, raymann? Hey raymann how come you agree that a woman can take your kids and make them be your open enemy? Do you not care for your connection with your children raymann? Where is your initiative raymann? If I throw you a beautiful woman...in your country it is legal at 18 you will be content and obey her and do nothing towards injustice, isn't it right raymann? That is the magical number right raymann? That makes you not a pedophile right raymann? Because if you marry any less you are a pedophile, right raymann? Is that so raymann? You make something legal to illegal raymann because some old white-fart at the top tells you, right raymann? You worship him or her, right raymann? Why don't you go to your false God raymann and prostrate to him or her and glorify your false God, raymann. Your false God who have a beginning and have an end, your false God who is made of flesh and bones and who looks like you, your false God who urinate and defecate and who farts and eats and drinks and who makes babies, that is your false God raymann, why don't you worship that false God Raymann because you believe that false God is justice right Raymann? The false God makes total sense to you, right Raymann?
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Married Teacher, 30, Sentenced To Probation After Pleading Guilty To Giving Head To 14 Year Old Student
Yet Not One Feminist Complained!
Dori Myers, a New York teacher and wife of a law enforcement officer, is accused of performing oral sex on a 14-year-old boy.
At one point, the teen allegedly posted a Snapchat video captioned “Me and my sexy a*s wife.”
According to The New York Post, the Bronx public school teacher now stands “charged with criminal sexual act in the second degree and endangering the welfare of a child.” Initially, Myers adamantly denied the accusations, the Post reported.
However, on September 12, 2018, Myers was sentenced for the crime by Judge Michael Obus. Although prosecutors asked for prison, he gave Myers 10 years of probation and found her to be a Level 1 sex offender, according to The New York Daily News. That’s outraging some people who think Myers received disparate treatment.
Here’s what you need to know:
1. The Teenage Boy Allegedly Told a Classmate About the Accusations, Leading to Myers’ Arrest
One aspect of the sentencing that is upsetting some people: Myers could be allowed to teach again someday even though she eventually admitted to the accusations.
Authorities arrested the teacher after the teen boy allegedly told a classmate about the accusations. The classmate then informed the school principal about what he had learned, according to The New York Daily News.
Myers “was arrested…at the site of the alleged attack on 168th St. and Broadway in Washington Heights,” Daily News reported. The newspaper reported that Myers was accused of performing oral sex on the boy and has pleaded not guilty to a criminal charge.
According to the New York Post, authorities allege that “a fellow teacher witnessed Myers massaging the victim.”
Judge Obus has been on the bench since 1993. According to Ballotpedia, he also serves as an “acting justice for the New York County Supreme Court, Criminal Term in the 1st Judicial District of New York” a position to which he was appointed. Before he was a judge, Obus, whose legal career dates to the 1970s, served as a lawyer for The Legal Aid Society of Nassau County, NY, Ballotpedia reports.
He’s handled major cases before, previously dismissing rape charges against Dominique Strauss-Kahn, the former head of the International Monetary Fund. However, in that instance, prosecutors had said they couldn’t prove their case, ABA Journal reported.
2. Myers Was Working as a Social Studies Teacher & Started a Track Team
Myers was a teacher at the New School for Leadership and the Arts in Kingsbridge, New York. According to The New York Post, her attorney, Andrew Stoll, says that Myers lives in Rockland County.
Stoll “noted the teacher had started a track team at the Bronx school, where she had worked since 2014,” The Post reported, adding that the attorney maintained that the teacher was innocent early on in the case.
“It just takes one person’s accusation to make an arrest in this town and she’s a model citizen who looks forward to clearing her name,” Stoll told The New York Post.
3. Myers Posted References to Alcohol on Her Social Media Pages
The social media accounts, including on Facebook and Twitter, for the teacher have now been deleted, but they allegedly contained references to alcohol.
“The brunette wrote about her students and partying on social media, where she posted a since-deleted picture of herself beaming in a dark blue, low cut tank top that read ‘Champagne All Day’, while holding a bottle in one hand and a glass of bubbly in the other,” reported The Sun.
“In another now-deleted image, Myers is wearing a white top with the bawdy phrase: ‘Whiskey Makes Me Frisky,’” The Sun noted. According to The New York Post, a 2015 tweet by Myers stated that a student had commented on the appearance of the teacher: “Ms. You’re like, real pretty, but, no offense, you got a big forehead.”
Added UK Daily Mail: “The teacher’s Facebook page showed a series of smiling photos in which she laughed with friends and drank straight out of champagne bottles before it was deleted.”
4. Myers Is Married to a Sheriff’s Deputy, Reports Say
Myers is married. According to the Daily Mail, she “lives in Rockland County where her husband is sheriff’s deputy.” Daily Mail reports that the “criminal complaint claims the assault took place somewhere in Upper Manhattan on November 1.”
The New York Post also reported of Myers: “Her husband is a sheriff’s deputy.”
In court, prosecutors alleged that Dori Myers “abused her position as a trusted authority figure,” reported the New York Post. According to Daily Mail, “The Department of Education has called the allegations ‘deeply troubling,’ but said Myers has no prior disciplinary history.”
Her husband did not attend her sentencing hearing.
5. The Judge Allowed Myers to Stay Free & Keep Her Teaching Certificate
Some people are furious with the judge’s handling of the case, accusing Myers of not getting a stiffer sentence because of “white privilege” (such as the Twitter user who made the post above.) Judge Obus ruled that Myers could keep her teaching certificate. That action came as part of a plea deal, LoHud.com reports.
After the accusations came to light, the school district reassigned her so she wouldn’t have contact with students but eventually fired her, according to the newspaper.
Over the past two years, many female teachers have been accused of having sex or an inappropriate relationship with a high school student. Cassandra White, an English teacher in Oklahoma, is even accused of taking out a marriage license with a teenage boy. Hunter Day, an Oklahoma teacher, was accused of sending nude photos to a student. Among other recent cases: Loryn Barclay, a former substitute teacher at a Missouri High School, was accused of having sexual contact multiple times with a 17-year-old boy. Shawnetta Reece, a gym teacher from Georgia, was accused of having an inappropriate relationship with a 15-year-old boy.
Tracy Miller, a West Virginia teacher, was accused of sending nude photos to students. Nataly Lopez, a 27-year-old former substitute teacher at a middle school in New Jersey, was accused of having sexual contact with a student. Lindsey Jarvis, a 27-year-old middle school teacher’s aide, was accused of the rape and sodomy of a student who was under the age of 16. Jarvis was arrested in Fayette County, Kentucky, on June 16. Then there’s Laura Ramos. She is a 31-year-old Connecticut high school teacher who is accused of having sex with a special education student. And there’s Tiffany Geliga.
KINGSBRIDGE, New York, September 14, 2018 (LifeSiteNews) – A 30-year-old teacher who performed oral sex on a 14-year-old student multiple times in 2016 will not only avoid prison time but could potentially teach again, under the terms of her plea agreement.
Formerly a social studies teacher at New School for Leadership and the Arts, a public school in the Bronx’s Kingsbridge neighborhood, Dori Myers was accused in January of performing oral sex on a male student, who told a classmate who in turn notified the school’s principal. Another teacher reportedly witnessed her “massaging” the boy, as well.
Prosecutors charged Myers with “criminal sexual act in the second degree and endangering the welfare of a child,” which she denied. The Department of Education called the accusation “deeply troubling,” but initially reassigned her “away from students” rather than firing her.
Myers pled guilty on August 1, and the Rockland/Westchester Journal News reports this week that she has entered into a plea agreement consisting of ten years’ probation and registration as a Level 1 sex offender. According to New York’s Sex Offender Registry, Level 1 offenders are considered a “low risk” for repeat offenses, need not be given an official designation such as “predator,” can be de-registered after 20 years, and aren’t listed on the public directory.
Prosecutors had asked for two years in prison and revocation of Myers’ teaching certificate. But while she was fired after her guilty plea and Education Department spokesman Doug Cohen says she is “not eligible to work in New York City schools again,” the light sentence leaves open the possibility of her becoming a teacher again elsewhere.
Myers’ attorney characterized her as a model teacher whose career was destroyed by spurious allegations, but Vibe reports that the victim posted a Snapchat video of himself with Myers captioned, “Me and my sexy a** wife.”
While the ongoing scandal over sex abuse in the Catholic Church is currently dominating national headlines, some have long argued that a similar crisis in public education is at least as extensive, if not more so. Last month, Chicago Public Schools (CPS) released a preliminary report finding 500 cases of alleged sexual assault and abuse in CPS schools over the last ten years, and that CPS failed to perform adequate background checks or abuse tracking.
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I feel as if your questions was already answered a while back when you first asked about it. Why do you keep asking a question based on something that has already been proven to you is false?? I did not read all the replies, but just by reading a few, there were plenty of links proving to you that rape and adultery are not the same.
If you read my posts carefully you would have noticed that I was more interested on Muslims personal opinions and not so much on links I could have gotten myself. You would have also noticed that I never said rape and adultery are the same thing.
I said that rape accusations often end up turning into adultery or fornication accusations.
Cinnamonrolls1 was the first one to answer the question posted and that was yesterday so apparently you and other posters are more interested on me quitting the topic rather than providing the answers for the questions asked.
If you read my posts carefully you would have noticed that I was more interested on Muslims personal opinions and not so much on links I could have gotten myself. You would have also noticed that I never said rape and adultery are the same thing.
I said that rape accusations often end up turning into adultery or fornication accusations.
Cinnamonrolls1 was the first one to answer the question posted and that was yesterday so apparently you and other posters are more interested on me quitting the topic rather than providing the answers for the questions asked.
So now that you have gotten your question answered, I do hope you are satisfied. Now we can move on, I hope.
Now it is my turn. Now you are asking about Sharia's law...my turn to ask about man-made law. What are you input toward sexism and racism and injustice in your laws?
What are you going to do about how a female teacher can rape a student according to your laws...mind you..this is your laws...your laws decrees that any adult having sexual relationship with any person who is below age of 18 is criminal offence and considered a pedophile and will have their lives ruined and placed in prison. Isn't that the law you guys estated? In fact...it is such a crime that if a person goes to prison with that in theri head they will be executed by the inmates in prison..isn't that so? OK. So we established that a man who have sex with an underage person (according to your laws) which is below age 18 (am I correct?) they are considered a sexual predator they will be put in the media and considered a criminal and required ot be executed. That is the law in your state. The prisoners will have a field day on this guy who went to prison for having sexual relationship with an underage person...am I correct?
Why then may I ask the same offence is not decreed when a female teacher have a sexual relationnship with a 14 year old "boy" according to your laws? Why is it she either get a slap on her hand, she either get probation, she does not get the same sentence as the man who is in prison and in additional to that she goes free and live her life and and she still have relationship with people? May I ask..what are you going to do about that?
May I ask also why is your man-made law oppressing children by allowing them to be conceived by single mothers and nothing is done about it? Why is your laws allowing gender mixing where risk of sexual relationship is high? Babies raised out of marriage is the norm now? Why is your western (man-made) law allowing this and nothing is done about it? It is becoming normalized...isn't it?
May I ask why is the family court and government is working hard to seperate families instead of enforcing it? May I ask, why nothing is done about it?
May I ask why is homosexuality and lesbianisim is not only condone but appraised and glorified and there is a rally and parade for them?
May I ask why Western world is working hard to remove gender difference and make them the same when that itself is the most oppressive thing you can do for both the sexes, might I add and not provide justice to either of their nature by giving them their true roles?
What are you going to do with all these men who are committing suicide at the highest rate possible and no one cares and they put it in TV and media to make it a nice drama show for entertainment? We all know boys do better with their fathers around..EVEN MORE SO than with girls to be honest..in fact..if there are no fathers around...girls do better at school and mature faster but the reverse is for boys..yet nothing is done about it. Why are there no way to fix this remedy?
It is amazing how you are pointing at one topic yet I can list endless and endless and endless of topics that is nothing been done about it.
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If you read my posts carefully you would have noticed that I was more interested on Muslims personal opinions and not so much on links I could have gotten myself. You would have also noticed that I never said rape and adultery are the same thing.
I said that rape accusations often end up turning into adultery or fornication accusations.
Cinnamonrolls1 was the first one to answer the question posted and that was yesterday so apparently you and other posters are more interested on me quitting the topic rather than providing the answers for the questions asked.
No, you said that there is one true authentic sharia, and that when it's implemented like it's supposed to, it leads to many rape accusations turning into adultery or fornication accusations.
Also, not sure why anyone should go along and consider what we'd do in a hypothetical scenario you've concocted to be as self-serving to your argument as possible.
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Also,
format_quote Originally Posted by Raymann
*snip*
Further up the street there is a public execution of a gay person, you cover your eyes from the sun because they're going to drop him from a tall building.
*snip*
Disclaimer: The previous imaginary scenario is based purely on my own research. No disrespect intended.
What research might that be? Just curious. Which classical Islamic scholars advocated execution of sodomites by dropping them from buildings, and how did they make the case for it?
No, you said that there is one true authentic sharia, and that when it's implemented like it's supposed to, it leads to many rape accusations turning into adultery or fornication accusations.
That is not even close to what I think.
The "rape accusations turning into adultery or fornication accusations" is happening today under not so strict Sharia.
My question was:
Is that misinterpretation of Islamic law? or
Why it keeps happening?
You are the Muslim, can you explain it?
In regards to the public executions there are tons of examples on youtube.
I'm not saying they applied strict Sharia Law, but they did.
The Taliban, ISIS, Saudi Arabia, they always claim they're using Sharia Law.
I cannot explain it, but maybe you can.
That is not even close to what I think.
The "rape accusations turning into adultery or fornication accusations" is happening today under not so strict Sharia.
My question was:
Is that misinterpretation of Islamic law? or
Why it keeps happening?
You are the Muslim, can you explain it?
In regards to the public executions there are tons of examples on youtube.
I'm not saying they applied strict Sharia Law, but they did.
The Taliban, ISIS, Saudi Arabia, they always claim they're using Sharia Law.
I cannot explain it, but maybe you can.
What is your intake toward's homosexuality and lesbianism?
What is your intake toward's single mothers?
What is your intake toward's spousal cheating?
What is your intake toward's the injustice divorce system implemented by man-made law?
What is your intake toward's custodial rights in your juridical system?
What is your intake toward's false rape allegations?
How come you are failing to answer my questions? I mean it is only fair. We are answering your questions why you are not answering the questions I am pointing out to you? Raymann you are not playing fair.
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What is your intake toward's homosexuality and lesbianism?
I don't know the nature of it (natural, sexual preference or sickness?).
In terms of the legal part of it.
Same sex marriage: Yes, it should be legal.
format_quote Originally Posted by xboxisdead
What is your intake toward's single mothers?
If they are single mothers by choice, I don't have a problem with it.
format_quote Originally Posted by xboxisdead
What is your intake toward's spousal cheating?
Adultery and fornication laws in the west are not welcome but of course I would prefer people to behave in a decent manner.
format_quote Originally Posted by xboxisdead
What is your intake toward's the injustice divorce system implemented by man-made law?
It seems much less injusticed than the God's made one.
By the way is it true a man can divorce a woman just by repeating three time "I divorce you, I divorce you, I divorce you"?
Is that justice to you?
Why can't she do the same thing?
format_quote Originally Posted by xboxisdead
What is your intake toward's custodial rights in your juridical system?
I don't know enough about it to give you an opinion.
format_quote Originally Posted by xboxisdead
What is your intake toward's false rape allegations?
Against it. Bear in mind that becoming a victim of a false rape accusation is a million times less possible than becoming a rape victim where the charges against the rapist end up being dismissed.
I don't know the nature of it (natural, sexual preference or sickness?).
In terms of the legal part of it.
Same sex marriage: Yes, it should be legal.
format_quote Originally Posted by Raymann
If they are single mothers by choice, I don't have a problem with it.
Proof my point exactly! You allow oppression to children. No one in your system cares about the rights of child and your system does not protect lineage (every child have a right to a mother and a father, NOT ONE MOTHER, OR TWO MOTHER OR TWO FATHER). It is all about what the woman wants and feels and ones it fails it is up to us to pick up the slack for her evil choice. You can take your system and put in the shredder where it belongs.
format_quote Originally Posted by Raymann
Adultery and fornication laws in the west are not welcome but of course I would prefer people to behave in a decent manner.
it.
Yeah...like we expect people to have manners not to lie or cheat or steal, right? Uh hu. We rely on the good nature of human beings to be civil beeeecaaauuuseeee some other human being said so? Rrrriiight.
format_quote Originally Posted by Raymann
It seems much less injusticed than the God's made one.
By the way is it true a man can divorce a woman just by repeating three time "I divorce you, I divorce you, I divorce you"?
Is that justice to you?
Why can't she do the same thing?
Theeeerreee we go! That is what I wanted to be shown here...perfect. Thank you sooooo much! Full of arrogance and God complex right there...projected into the wall with all open. A human being who thinks he is better than Allah (Subhanahu Wa Talaa) because his inferior limited mind cannot comprehend the reasoning behind the laws of Allah (Subhanahu Wa Talaa) and you believe Allah (Subhanahu Wa Talaa) is sexist or is injustice but YOU...A HUMAN BEING who couldn't even formulate two words together when you where a baby..you...yooou...are more just and more knowledgeable than Allah (Subahanhu Wa Talaa), you are more just towards women than Allah (Subhanahu Wa Talaa)? You deserve what comes to you in the afterlife.
format_quote Originally Posted by Raymann
I don't know enough about it to give you an opinion.
Against it. Bear in mind that becoming a victim of a false rape accusation is a million times less possible than becoming a rape victim where the charges against the rapist end up being dismissed.
Happy now?
You have concluded you are completely talking from your <censor>.
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First of all, it should be known that there are three types of divorce: (1) Ahsan (most preferred), (2) Sunnah (preferred) and (3) Bid’a (sinful & unlawful innovation).
The Ahsan (most preferred) divorce is to make one pronouncement of divorce to the wife, in an interval between menstruations (Tuhr), in which no sexual intercourse with the wife has taken place. After which she is left until her waiting period (Iddah) is over.
The Sunnah (preferred) divorce is to pronounce three divorces in three separate intervals of Tuhr, in which no sexual intercourse with the wife has taken place.
The Bid’a (sinful and unlawful innovation) divorce consists of either making a pronouncement of divorce during the woman’s menstruation period (Haid) or to pronounce two or three divorces at once or to issue a divorce in a Tuhr (purity) in which sexual intercourse with the wife took place.
From the above we can see that, if a man pronounces three divorces at once, either by saying: “I give you three divorces” or by saying: “I divorce you” three times, it is considered an unlawful act and innovation. One will be sinful by divorcing the wife in such a way.
However, in case of ''adultery'' it's allowed
Imam Bukhari (RA) reports of Uwaymir (RA) who did Lian (sworn allegation of adultery) against his wife in the presence of the Prophet (SAW). Following that he said: “I shall be telling a lie if I retained her”. Then he gave her three talaqs before the Prophet (SAW) could give his verdict. (Bukhari P8 v2)
That is not even close to what I think.
The "rape accusations turning into adultery or fornication accusations" is happening today under not so strict Sharia.
My question was:
Is that misinterpretation of Islamic law? or
Why it keeps happening?
You are the Muslim, can you explain it?
In regards to the public executions there are tons of examples on youtube.
I'm not saying they applied strict Sharia Law, but they did.
The Taliban, ISIS, Saudi Arabia, they always claim they're using Sharia Law.
I cannot explain it, but maybe you can.
No, that's not what you said. You said that there is one, true sharia that not even Muslims dare to actually use 100%, as if to imply that we say one thing about sharia being the answer to everything but deep down don't believe it. You think you've come upon a rhetorical gotcha and set out to push that point and a preconceived narrative.
If you've actually come to understand how the premises of your original position are incorrect, that's great. If you want us to believe you're here for honest, serious discussion, it would benefit you to admit as much and accept having been corrected. But no, you're now denying that you ever said what you said, as if to discretely move the goalposts so you can keep the discussion going on at your terms.
Throwing gays off buildings, eh. That's something literally nobody anywhere had ever heard about until one much-publicized incident where ISIS did it. And yet, certain people have since been been talking about that as if it was a well-established staple of sharia in practice. That someone who does that is a pretty certain indicator of someone being an Islamophobic propagandist, or someone who uncritically chooses to believe in Islamophobic propaganda for whatever reason.
You said that there is one, true sharia that not even Muslims dare to actually use 100%, as if to imply that we say one thing about sharia being the answer to everything but deep down don't believe it.
Yes, that's exactly what I said, and I stand by it.
Originally Posted by Futuwwa No, you said that there is one true authentic sharia, and that when it's implemented like it's supposed to, it leads to many rape accusations turning into adultery or fornication accusations.
You need to be honest if we are going to be in a discussion. When I said "That's not what I said"
I was correcting Futuwwa (see the quote above).
Notice that at the end he added "it leads to many rape accusations turning into adultery or fornication accusations." That was not part of my original statement.
format_quote Originally Posted by Futuwwa
Throwing gays off buildings, eh. That's something literally nobody anywhere had ever heard
That's true, it was the first time I heard it too and yes some of us could easily assume it is part of Sharia Law because that's the explanation they gave.
That's why I'm here to hear the other side of the story.
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did NOT accuse her of adultery or fornication and almost ended up punishing an innocent man, this must have taught him to be cautious in judgement too - and it is no wonder there are no direct Quranic instructions on the issue - since it requires context.
Originally Posted by Futuwwa 
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