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    Is Islamic sharia really created by Allah? Or always existed? (OP)


    I just found a passage from Quran saying something that, "whoever believes that Quran is created, has committed disbelief". I was thinking that Islamic sharia is created by God and not by humans. So, what I think is still disbelief? Does that mean, these Islamic sharia which we know, always existed and had no beginning nor end?

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    Re: Is Islamic sharia really created by Allah? Or always existed?

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    format_quote Originally Posted by Alamgir View Post
    You cannot control your emotions, however, with time, you should find yourself at peace whilst on the right path. Just make sure you find halal methods of recreation.



    That much is obvious. But it's going to be okay, you'll get through this. A good way to help is by eating well and exercising regularly.



    Have your own party. After saying Isha, get lots of food and drinks, and consume them non-stop while watching an endless stream of (halal) content. Do this until you pass out (but be sure to set an alarm so you can wake up for Fajr). That sounds like a pretty fun night to me.





    I know a guy your age might get a little lonely, so you should probably try finding the nearest Masjid and socialising with people there. I highly doubt you're the only Muslim in your area, if you're really in eastern Europe shouldn't there be Turkish brothers you can hang out with?
    I remmeber that I found once a turkish guy, but he was the only forst Muslim. And now when I wish I can talk to a Romanian Muslim scholar, I dont find anywhere, I dont find no Muslim in my area, I only see Christians around me, and I have asked mt mother to take me to a mosque, but she does not know and she does not have time, and she tells me that I dont have time eitger for Mosque because the exams are coming closer in a fast way and I need to prepare myself.
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    Re: Is Islamic sharia really created by Allah? Or always existed?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Nitro Zeus View Post
    she tells me that I dont have time eitger for Mosque because the exams are coming closer in a fast way and I need to prepare myself.
    You should take the opportunity to focus on your studies, and when your exams are over, then you can focus on socialising by trying to find a Masjid (you can use Google Maps, don't rely on your mother when she clearly doesn't want to help you).
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    Re: Is Islamic sharia really created by Allah? Or always existed?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Alamgir View Post
    You should take the opportunity to focus on your studies, and when your exams are over, then you can focus on socialising by trying to find a Masjid (you can use Google Maps, don't rely on your mother when she clearly doesn't want to help you).
    Is it ok if I wait until exams are over then, I start to prerform x5 ritual prayers? Because, in this time, O'll be so bussy and stressed with exams, and I would have to make extra and fast preparations so that I can succedd in first session of exam so that me and my parents can go to Thailanda in summer vacation, because I've always dreamt of going into a exotic country in summer vacation. And I hope that tgis summer can be the first time in my life that I go there.
    Yes but you see? I remember once that when I was in group of bunch of my own Christian class mates, when we were to go to our homes, then I went after a Christian girl thinking that she goes to a place I know so that I can go home easily. But, I have noticed that I got lost in subway and I made myself embarresed in front of others, and now I'm afraid to go on my own because of this. And luckily she called my Christian teacher and she came and picked me up and she helped me to get the right path. And it would take time for me to learn to do on my own wothout google map.

    And one thing is that Jinns have a very high life span and we have obly 100 years as life span, sometimes I'm feelin' jealous at them because they live more than we do. And when I make this Dua, I'm doing out of love just to show to my mother how much love I have for her and I really desire for God To Make Heaven be for People of Book and Muslims and To Make the belief of Trinity be 100% true, so that my mother and my father can have a lot of comon things, and now they get mad sometimes at each other just because she believes in Jesus as.... and this fight probably will never end. And I wish only good for both of them, so that they'll be equal and live without problems. But if I keep making Dua and she keeps refusing Islam, then I'll be sad for whole life because when I'll be in Heaven(Hopefully I'll be), then probably I'll notice someone missing: my mother and my grandfather who died as Christian. And I dont even know if I have right to wish for God To remove them from eternal Hell and admite them to Paradise.
    But, as long as I found that it is disbelief, then... I'm totally lost and I have to support their fightings... and I have said like this because, I have not expected to find things like this. It gonnaa take me sometimes to get use to this idea and accept them as it is.
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    Re: Is Islamic sharia really created by Allah? Or always existed?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Nitro Zeus View Post
    Is it ok if I wait until exams are over then, I start to prerform x5 ritual prayers?
    No. I did (and still do) exams whilst not just praying 5 times a day, but also fasting. And I'm about the same age as you too (only a little older).

    format_quote Originally Posted by Nitro Zeus View Post
    me and my parents can go to Thailanda in summer vacation, because I've always dreamt of going into a exotic country in summer vacation.
    Didn't you listen to what I said earlier? Stop. Socialising. With. Your family. They're a bad influence, keep to yourself unless it's absolutely necessary.

    format_quote Originally Posted by Nitro Zeus View Post
    remember once that when I was in group of bunch of my own Christian class mates, when we were to go to our homes, then I went after a Christian girl thinking that she goes to a place I know so that I can go home easily. But, I have noticed that I got lost in subway and I made myself embarresed in front of others, and now I'm afraid to go on my own because of this. And luckily she called my Christian teacher and she came and picked me up and she helped me to get the right path. And it would take time for me to learn to do on my own wothout google map.
    No offence, but you need to get a grip and learn to look after yourself. You're already 15, most people your age can travel independently.

    format_quote Originally Posted by Nitro Zeus View Post
    And one thing is that Jinns have a very high life span and we have obly 100 years as life span, sometimes I'm feelin' jealous at them because they live more than we do.
    Why? We live long enough as it is, and heaven is where the real fun's at.

    format_quote Originally Posted by Nitro Zeus View Post
    . And when I make this Dua, I'm doing out of love just to show to my mother how much love I have for her and I really desire for God To Make Heaven be for People of Book and Muslims and To Make the belief of Trinity be 100% true
    This is pure kufr, stop making such haram duas and try to avoid thinking such haram things.

    format_quote Originally Posted by Nitro Zeus View Post
    But if I keep making Dua and she keeps refusing Islam, then I'll be sad for whole life because when I'll be in Heaven(Hopefully I'll be), then probably I'll notice someone missing: my mother and my grandfather who died as Christian.
    You'll be in heaven, even if you think you won't like it, Allah will make you like it (e.g he could easily change your state of mind). Don't worry about whether you'll enjoy it or not, because you will, just focus on getting there.

    format_quote Originally Posted by Nitro Zeus View Post
    And I dont even know if I have right to wish for God To remove them from eternal Hell and admite them to Paradise.
    You can't, and trust me when I say you'll be having too much fun to even think about them.

    format_quote Originally Posted by Nitro Zeus View Post
    It gonnaa take me sometimes to get use to this idea and accept them as it is.
    These things can take time, but be persistent.
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    Re: Is Islamic sharia really created by Allah? Or always existed?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Alamgir View Post
    No. I did (and still do) exams whilst not just praying 5 times a day, but also fasting. And I'm about the same age as you too (only a little older).



    Didn't you listen to what I said earlier? Stop. Socialising. With. Your family. They're a bad influence, keep to yourself unless it's absolutely necessary.



    No offence, but you need to get a grip and learn to look after yourself. You're already 15, most people your age can travel independently.



    Why? We live long enough as it is, and heaven is where the real fun's at.



    This is pure kufr, stop making such haram duas and try to avoid thinking such haram things.



    You'll be in heaven, even if you think you won't like it, Allah will make you like it (e.g he could easily change your state of mind). Don't worry about whether you'll enjoy it or not, because you will, just focus on getting there.



    You can't, and trust me when I say you'll be having too much fun to even think about them.



    These things can take time, but be persistent.
    Yeah but you see? I really love being a part of a group and going together as gang. And I'm actually 19 years old. Ok, I got it. But when I said-"I wished for God To Make Heaven be for People of Scriptures and Muslims", I meant after He reversed the time To Make Heaven be for this and this, so that everyone can be happy, and all different types believers of now days(when we reach again 2019) they can assist us against ISIS and vice versa and we can be as team and also to have victory against ISIS, because I wished for my mother to feel that she's a true Christian believer and to truly feel that God is with her and He is her protector against disbelievers and evildoers. Thats what I mean. But, I'm gonna stay away from disbelief. I've told by someone that when you'll inshalla go to Heaven, then I'll forget completely that I had a mother or anybody and when I enter Heaven, I would be as a new born, and everything I had learnt will be erased forever(I think). Isn't true? Why do I commit easily kufr??? Is that because I'm a extremely weak Muslim? Do they count? Because, normally I dont do kufr intentionally. Should I be even worried just because I commit them unintentionally and unknowingly? My mother told me that my wish is satanic and only satan whispers this kind of wish just to go against God, and I refused her repeated answer because I was thinking that she tells lies and Bible is full of lies, and I cannot take into consideration whatever she tells me. Because, I dont want for God To blame on that Day for falling into a kufr. But now I accept that it is kufr and I have stopped radically on making this kind of Dua. How can know what are the chances of dying as a true believer? Is it even possible to know the chances?
    Acrually, my father is a Muslim.
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    Re: Is Islamic sharia really created by Allah? Or always existed?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Nitro Zeus View Post
    Yeah but you see? I really love being a part of a group and going together as gang.
    I get it, you're much more social than I am, but I'm afraid you're going to have to learn to be less social for the time being unless you can find good Muslims to hang out with.

    format_quote Originally Posted by Nitro Zeus View Post
    I meant
    It's still kufr.

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    to truly feel that God is with her
    He's not, she isn't Muslim, remember?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Nitro Zeus View Post
    verything I had learnt will be erased forever(I think).
    I'm pretty sure that's not true.

    format_quote Originally Posted by Nitro Zeus View Post
    Why do I commit easily kufr???
    Because you don't know what nullifies one's Islam, so you need to learn about that topic in more detail.

    format_quote Originally Posted by Nitro Zeus View Post
    Is that because I'm a extremely weak Muslim?
    From my experience, it tends to correlate. But don't worry, if you start following the right path, you'll eventually become much stronger.

    format_quote Originally Posted by Nitro Zeus View Post
    Do they count?
    So long as you practice Islam and believe in it, yes, it counts. Even if at first you feel a little weak in Iman, over time your Iman will increase insha'allah.

    format_quote Originally Posted by Nitro Zeus View Post
    I was thinking that she tells lies and Bible is full of lies, and I cannot take into consideration whatever she tells me.
    You think correctly.

    format_quote Originally Posted by Nitro Zeus View Post
    But now I accept that it is kufr and I have stopped radically on making this kind of Dua. How can know what are the chances of dying as a true believer? Is it even possible to know the chances?
    The overwhelming majority of people are going to hell. But you've found Islam, so all you need to do now is make sure you remain a good Muslim until the day you day, and then you'll get into heaven.

    format_quote Originally Posted by Nitro Zeus View Post
    Acrually, my father is a Muslim.
    That's a pretty major detail you should have mentioned earlier. If your father is Muslim, why aren't you asking him to support you? Why can't he take you to a Masjid? Why is he forcing you to live in an environment that doesn't cater to you? Why is he letting your mother act completely out of line by insulting Islam and forcing you to do haram things? Bring your issues up with him.

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    format_quote Originally Posted by Nitro Zeus View Post
    And I'm actually 19 years old.
    That's even more embarrassing, you need to learn to become more self-sufficient. Heck, at your age you could get a job and earn enough income to live off of.
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    Re: Is Islamic sharia really created by Allah? Or always existed?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Alamgir View Post
    I get it, you're much more social than I am, but I'm afraid you're going to have to learn to be less social for the time being unless you can find good Muslims to hang out with.



    It's still kufr.



    He's not, she isn't Muslim, remember?



    I'm pretty sure that's not true.



    Because you don't know what nullifies one's Islam, so you need to learn about that topic in more detail.



    From my experience, it tends to correlate. But don't worry, if you start following the right path, you'll eventually become much stronger.



    So long as you practice Islam and believe in it, yes, it counts. Even if at first you feel a little weak in Iman, over time your Iman will increase insha'allah.



    You think correctly.



    The overwhelming majority of people are going to hell. But you've found Islam, so all you need to do now is make sure you remain a good Muslim until the day you day, and then you'll get into heaven.



    That's a pretty major detail you should have mentioned earlier. If your father is Muslim, why aren't you asking him to support you? Why can't he take you to a Masjid? Why is he forcing you to live in an environment that doesn't cater to you? Why is he letting your mother act completely out of line by insulting Islam and forcing you to do haram things? Bring your issues up with him.

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    That's even more embarrassing, you need to learn to become more self-sufficient. Heck, at your age you could get a job and earn enough income to live off of.
    Yeah, but I can change this into good in future but with the help of God. You see? I told my mother that I want to work somewhere for example at McDonald because they have high salary and I need the money, and she tells me that I'm very slow and weak in Math. In my point of view, I rather make a job when I finigh high school and college, like this it would be much faire. Because, I want to get hired at NASA in one of the best careers they have. So that I can make to my parents a big suprize of my success. Some they would make fun of me if they see me working in a very weak job at my age. Because, I saw some of my class mates made of fun of my other class mates by telling: "Dont abandon your job, because it really suits you". And I dont want me to be next after her. Because, they like to make jokes at others after finding something on them.
    My father is from Kuwait and he comes only in summer vacation. And showed me a video that at the time on the Prophet when he announced all Muslims that the Message is completed, all they started to celebrate by singing and using musical instruments and the Prophet did not prohibited to them, so that he can show me that I can listen to Rock but Rock songs that contain peacefull and good message, not something that leads to violence and more distress because it would not be healthy for me. If he would be have his job in Bucharest, then probably it would be easy for him to support me. And now I've been discovered by my mother that I had kept hidden some secret photos and she deteled them all, and now I'm angry because I was not able to keep something hidden from anyone as much as I want, and now I feel like I'm punished by God too early for not lowering my gaze, and thats because I'm too addicted to such photos, maybe I should be thankful that He Punished me soo early, right? Because on that Day, it can be even worse, and I saved maybe from that danger? And now I have decided to no longer what shameful photos or videos anymore, that what I felt.
    Is it ok if I can make Dua for God To Grant me the same age as prophet Adam had? And also To Make me be at old age too energized as if I'm young and To Make me not to look old man as I think off? Because, I've dreamt of seeing the distant future, and also to have extra time to increase my faith. And I'm scared of thinking what will I look like when I'll be old, because I dont want to find out that that stage to be ugly old man. How can I be sure that this Dua will be answered? It is even halal and acceptible in the Eyes of God?
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    Re: Is Islamic sharia really created by Allah? Or always existed?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Nitro Zeus View Post
    In my point of view, I rather make a job when I finigh high school and college, like this it would be much faire.
    Okay, but you should still learn to look after yourself to some extent. The fact that you can't navigate in the outside world properly without a guide is a little bit sad.

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    Because, I want to get hired at NASA
    Don't work for NASA, they help the US military.

    format_quote Originally Posted by Nitro Zeus View Post
    My father is from Kuwait and he comes only in summer vacation. And showed me a video that at the time on the Prophet when he announced all Muslims that the Message is completed, all they started to celebrate by singing and using musical instruments and the Prophet did not prohibited to them, so that he can show me that I can listen to Rock but Rock songs that contain peacefull and good message, not something that leads to violence and more distress because it would not be healthy for me. If he would be have his job in Bucharest, then probably it would be easy for him to support me
    Okay so your father isn't going to help you much, got it.

    format_quote Originally Posted by Nitro Zeus View Post
    And now I've been discovered by my mother that I had kept hidden some secret photos and she deteled them all, and now I'm angry because I was not able to keep something hidden from anyone as much as I want, and now I feel like I'm punished by God too early for not lowering my gaze
    You shouldn't have those photos in the first place, your mother did well to delete them. Try to resist these urges as much as possible, and if you can't let it go all at once, make it a slow thing (e.g you go one day without them, then two, then three, then four, etc).

    format_quote Originally Posted by Nitro Zeus View Post
    Is it ok if I can make Dua for God To Grant me the same age as prophet Adam had? And also To Make me be at old age too energized as if I'm young and To Make me not to look old man as I think off? Because, I've dreamt of seeing the distant future, and also to have extra time to increase my faith. And I'm scared of thinking what will I look like when I'll be old, because I dont want to find out that that stage to be ugly old man. How can I be sure that this Dua will be answered? It is even halal and acceptible in the Eyes of God?
    There is nothing haram about praying for good health and a long life.
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    Re: Is Islamic sharia really created by Allah? Or always existed?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Alamgir View Post
    Okay, but you should still learn to look after yourself to some extent. The fact that you can't navigate in the outside world properly without a guide is a little bit sad.



    Don't work for NASA, they help the US military.



    Okay so your father isn't going to help you much, got it.



    You shouldn't have those photos in the first place, your mother did well to delete them. Try to resist these urges as much as possible, and if you can't let it go all at once, make it a slow thing (e.g you go one day without them, then two, then three, then four, etc).



    There is nothing haram about praying for good health and a long life.
    Yey. If I have I make Dua to have the same age as Adam(I mean by having age of 1000) had with the intention of doing things I havent done before such as: visiting new places I have never been, doing good deeds and also to have extra time on making preparations for that Day?
    Really? I thought their job was to discover life beyond Earth and to explore the Universe. What is so bad for them to work for US military?
    Do you think that this a minor punishment from God? Should I be thankful that He Punished me too early?
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    Re: Is Islamic sharia really created by Allah? Or always existed?

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    Really? I thought their job was to discover life beyond Earth and to explore the Universe.
    Yes, but they only do that to further the US' technological prowess, including the military. This is why you have multiple countries with different space agencies, nobody does these things unless they have a practical purpose, and one of the main benefits of a space programme is how much it can help your military. You'll notice that they have many ex-soldiers working for agencies like NASA.

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    What is so bad for them to work for US military?
    The fact that this helps the US military launch wars against people who don't deserve it, as they have been doing pretty much ever since the US came into being.

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    Do you think that this a minor punishment from God?
    It might be, it might not be. We don't know.

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    Should I be thankful that He Punished me too early?
    You should repent for your sins and intend to never repeat them (or if it's an addiction, make the intention to cure it).
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    Re: Is Islamic sharia really created by Allah? Or always existed?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Alamgir View Post
    Yes, but they only do that to further the US' technological prowess, including the military. This is why you have multiple countries with different space agencies, nobody does these things unless they have a practical purpose, and one of the main benefits of a space programme is how much it can help your military. You'll notice that they have many ex-soldiers working for agencies like NASA.



    The fact that this helps the US military launch wars against people who don't deserve it, as they have been doing pretty much ever since the US came into being.



    It might be, it might not be. We don't know.



    You should repent for your sins and intend to never repeat them (or if it's an addiction, make the intention to cure it).
    Ok, I'll try my best to cure it and never return to it. Wait, I thought that sins are not something that you can transfer it, right? So whatever US military intends to do, I will not be to be blamed but they will.
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    Re: Is Islamic sharia really created by Allah? Or always existed?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Alamgir View Post
    Yes, but they only do that to further the US' technological prowess, including the military. This is why you have multiple countries with different space agencies, nobody does these things unless they have a practical purpose, and one of the main benefits of a space programme is how much it can help your military. You'll notice that they have many ex-soldiers working for agencies like NASA.



    The fact that this helps the US military launch wars against people who don't deserve it, as they have been doing pretty much ever since the US came into being.



    It might be, it might not be. We don't know.



    You should repent for your sins and intend to never repeat them (or if it's an addiction, make the intention to cure it).
    The reason I asked this, is because on that Day, God can reveal this hidden information of mine to whole of His creation and that could be much worse, and I think that if I get Punished in here, when I die I would not be needed to be Punished anymore, because I have paid the punishment, isnt it?
    I was thinking to candidate for presedential election in Romania so that I can be the first best president of Romania, is that halal? Because, I want to recover the lost regions from Bulgary, Ukrain and Hungary. And also to unify Republic of Moldova with Romania and become as one. And also to make Romanian's economy be very high and to build many facories and institues more than Ceausescu built. Is there a dua for fulfilling these wishes?
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    Re: Is Islamic sharia really created by Allah? Or always existed?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Nitro Zeus View Post
    So whatever US military intends to do, I will not be to be blamed but they will.
    No, you'll be blamed because you knowingly assisted them. Therefore, you'll be considered guilty of the same sin.

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    format_quote Originally Posted by Nitro Zeus View Post
    isnt it?
    That's not how it works. Just sincerely repent and you can avoid being punished in the hereafter.

    format_quote Originally Posted by Nitro Zeus View Post
    I was thinking to candidate for presedential election in Romania so that I can be the first best president of Romania, is that halal?
    No, because Romania isn't an Islamic country. Not a single country on the planet rules by Sharia, and until one does, working for any government would be haram unless you join them to change the laws so they follow Sharia (but that isn't at all feasible in a country like Romania which doesn't have a Muslim-majority population).

    format_quote Originally Posted by Nitro Zeus View Post
    Because, I want to recover the lost regions from Bulgary, Ukrain and Hungary. And also to unify Republic of Moldova with Romania and become as one. And also to make Romanian's economy be very high and to build many facories and institues more than Ceausescu built. Is there a dua for fulfilling these wishes?
    If that is what you desire, then pray to Allah that a developed, unified and Islamic Greater Romania becomes the reality (the Islamic part is important because it would be haram to pray for your Greater Romania to be ruled by something other than Islam, and as a result your dua wouldn't be accepted), because there is currently no feasible way for it to occur. Even if you lead Romania, you cannot just conquer these nations since NATO will make a big fuss out of it and ruin Romania like they did with Serbia. You can't do this via negotiations either since I doubt these countries are going to willingly hand themselves over to you (since they haven't done that already).
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    Re: Is Islamic sharia really created by Allah? Or always existed?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Alamgir View Post
    No, you'll be blamed because you knowingly assisted them. Therefore, you'll be considered guilty of the same sin.

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    That's not how it works. Just sincerely repent and you can avoid being punished in the hereafter.



    No, because Romania isn't an Islamic country. Not a single country on the planet rules by Sharia, and until one does, working for any government would be haram unless you join them to change the laws so they follow Sharia (but that isn't at all feasible in a country like Romania which doesn't have a Muslim-majority population).



    If that is what you desire, then pray to Allah that a developed, unified and Islamic Greater Romania becomes the reality (the Islamic part is important because it would be haram to pray for your Greater Romania to be ruled by something other than Islam, and as a result your dua wouldn't be accepted), because there is currently no feasible way for it to occur. Even if you lead Romania, you cannot just conquer these nations since NATO will make a big fuss out of it and ruin Romania like they did with Serbia. You can't do this via negotiations either since I doubt these countries are going to willingly hand themselves over to you (since they haven't done that already).
    But what about Barack Obama who's also Muslim, but the first USA Muslim president? I thought that I cannot impose Islamic sharia in my home land because that would be against Quran's teachings? Because, I remember a story that a person wanted to be a leader and he was taught not to impose Islam in his home land because that would not be just, because people should accept themselves Islam willingly without being forced like myself I did few years ago when my father asked me polite and convinceful to convert to Islam and next day in the morning I have accepted Islam. Thats how supposed to be naturally.

    P.S. If I have committed a lie against Quran, please let me know. Because, sometimes I commit these most heinous sins unknowingly. And I was actually planning to recover them in nice way not by declaring war. And if deplomacy failed, then I would have to implement faze 2: surprize invasions because sometomes when you want something and that person does not return to you, you got to do by force. And also, I was thinking to raise people's salary and do other good things to the point where I can be elected for second time too.
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    Re: Is Islamic sharia really created by Allah? Or always existed?

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    But what about Barack Obama who's also Muslim
    He's not Muslim lol, he's never claimed he is. Even if he was, that wouldn't excuse him of his crimes against humanity.

    format_quote Originally Posted by Nitro Zeus View Post
    I remember a story that a person wanted to be a leader and he was taught not to impose Islam in his home land because that would not be just, because people should accept themselves Islam willingly without being forced like myself I did few years ago when my father asked me polite and convinceful to convert to Islam and next day in the morning I have accepted Islam. Thats how supposed to be naturally.
    Sharia is a law system. It has nothing to do with forcing people to convert to Islam, do not equate the two. And I never said force Sharia upon your country, I said you can only become a part of it's government if you can rule by Sharia or implement it. There is no "force" involved in that suggestion, politicians make decisions about the law all the time. This would be no different. If other Romanians are bitterly opposed, you wouldn't even be able to implement it so you can't force it upon them in the first place.

    format_quote Originally Posted by Nitro Zeus View Post
    And I was actually planning to recover them in nice way not by declaring war. And if deplomacy failed, then I would have to implement faze 2: surprize invasions because sometomes when you want something and that person does not return to you, you got to do by force. And also, I was thinking to raise people's salary and do other good things to the point where I can be elected for second time too.
    I already told you, you wouldn't be able to take them in any way, and you can't become a part of the Romanian government unless a situation arises where you can rule by Sharia when you join it (but that's almost impossible), so just make dua for an Islamic Greater Romania to emerge.
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    Re: Is Islamic sharia really created by Allah? Or always existed?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Alamgir View Post
    He's not Muslim lol, he's never claimed he is. Even if he was, that wouldn't excuse him of his crimes against humanity.



    Sharia is a law system. It has nothing to do with forcing people to convert to Islam, do not equate the two. And I never said force Sharia upon your country, I said you can only become a part of it's government if you can rule by Sharia or implement it. There is no "force" involved in that suggestion, politicians make decisions about the law all the time. This would be no different. If other Romanians are bitterly opposed, you wouldn't even be able to implement it so you can't force it upon them in the first place.



    I already told you, you wouldn't be able to take them in any way, and you can't become a part of the Romanian government unless a situation arises where you can rule by Sharia when you join it (but that's almost impossible), so just make dua for an Islamic Greater Romania to emerge.
    Ok, now I understand. I said like thid because I read somewhere on internet that Obama competed with his Quran with the actual president: Donald Trump's Bible. And he proved to him that he is wrong about Muslims if I'm not mistaken. But anyway, I can try to implement the Islamic sharia in Romanian government.
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    Re: Is Islamic sharia really created by Allah? Or always existed?

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    But anyway, I can try to implement the Islamic sharia in Romanian government.
    No you can't, it's not currently feasible. Make dua that it becomes so, and then you can try.
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    Re: Is Islamic sharia really created by Allah? Or always existed?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Alamgir View Post
    No you can't, it's not currently feasible. Make dua that it becomes so, and then you can try.
    Ok, I'll do that.
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    Re: Is Islamic sharia really created by Allah? Or always existed?

    @Alamgir :

    You mean if any country isn't ruled by shariah laws, a Muslim can't be the ruler of that country...?
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    Re: Is Islamic sharia really created by Allah? Or always existed?

    format_quote Originally Posted by azc View Post
    @Alamgir:

    You mean if any country isn't ruled by shariah laws, a Muslim can't be the ruler of that country...?
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