Is Islamic sharia really created by Allah? Or always existed?

The unanimous faith of Ahl-e-Sunnah wal-Jamah is that the holy Quran is eternal and uncreated:

فأهلالسنه كلهم من أهم المذاهب الأربعه و غيرهم من الخلف والسلف متفقون علی أن القرآن غير مخلوق )شرح الفقه الأكبر(

However, calling the holy Quran as eternal and uncreated means that the Word of Allah Almighty is eternal which is an attribute of Allah and is associated with Him. So far as written and recited words of Quran are concerned, these are the created ones and they are not the attribute of Allah , but they indicate to the Words of Allah . A common person should avoid venturing such philosophical discussions, for sometimes a man may fall in suspicion and doubt. One must only believe in the fundamental beliefs mentioned in the Holy Quran and Hadith.

Allah (Subhana Wa Ta’ala) knows Best

Darul Ifta,
Darul Uloom Deoband
https://islamqa.org/hanafi/darulifta...0%2C6748402012

format_quote Originally Posted by azc

The unanimous faith of Ahl-e-Sunnah wal-Jamah is that the holy Quran is eternal and uncreated:

فأهلالسنه كلهم من أهم المذاهب الأربعه و غيرهم من الخلف والسلف متفقون علی أن القرآن غير مخلوق )شرح الفقه الأكبر(

However, calling the holy Quran as eternal and uncreated means that the Word of Allah Almighty is eternal which is an attribute of Allah and is associated with Him. So far as written and recited words of Quran are concerned, these are the created ones and they are not the attribute of Allah , but they indicate to the Words of Allah . A common person should avoid venturing such philosophical discussions, for sometimes a man may fall in suspicion and doubt. One must only believe in the fundamental beliefs mentioned in the Holy Quran and Hadith.

Allah (Subhana Wa Ta’ala) knows Best

Darul Ifta,
Darul Uloom Deoband
https://islamqa.org/hanafi/darulifta...0%2C6748402012

So thats mean, God can change any divine laws and legislations as He wants and also To Create any heavenly book He wants also To Name the book?
Is also God able To Hate something or To Love something as He wishes? Just for clarification.
I simply never underdstood why He created shuch laws and legislations. Some are very heavy to me, because they do not let me do the things I wished.

format_quote Originally Posted by azc

The unanimous faith of Ahl-e-Sunnah wal-Jamah is that the holy Quran is eternal and uncreated:

فأهلالسنه كلهم من أهم المذاهب الأربعه و غيرهم من الخلف والسلف متفقون علی أن القرآن غير مخلوق )شرح الفقه الأكبر(

However, calling the holy Quran as eternal and uncreated means that the Word of Allah Almighty is eternal which is an attribute of Allah and is associated with Him. So far as written and recited words of Quran are concerned, these are the created ones and they are not the attribute of Allah , but they indicate to the Words of Allah .

This is the belief of the Ashaa'irah and the Maturidi.

This is not the belief of ahl al-Sunnah.

This division was an innovation of Abu Hasan al-Asha'ari in an attempt to reconcile between the baatil of the Mu'tazila and the ahl al-Sunnah.

The Mu'tazila held the Qur'aan is created. The ahl al-Sunnah maintained it is not.

When Abu Hasan al-Ashari' left the Mu'tazila that was his first rujuu. And during this rujuu he came up with this bid'ah. The Ashaa'irah themselves acknowledge this bidaah of his. Below is a screen shot of a famous Ash'ari acknowledging this innovated idea.

During his second rujuu, Abu Hasan al-Ashari' retracted from this view of his and joined the ranks of the ahl al-Sunnah.


Abdul-Kareem al-Shahrastani (d. 584H) was from among the later 'Ashaa'irah. He was an important figure among them.

He admits that Abu al-hasan al-Ash'ari broke the Ijmaa and innovated a third saying which was unknown before him.

He says:

فأبدع الأشعري قولاً ثالثاً وقضى بحدوث الحروف وهو خرق الإجماع وحكم بأن ما نقرأه كلام الله مجازاً لا حقيقة وهو عين الابتداع فهلا قال ورد السمع بأن ما نقرأه ونكتبه كلام الله تعالى دون أن يتعرض لكيفيته وحقيقته كما ورد السمع بإثبات كثير من الصفات من الوجه واليدين إلى غير ذلك من الصفات الخبرية

So al-Ash'ari innovated a third saying and passed judgment saying that the letters are huduuth (are not eternal and have a beginning and an end) and this is the destruction of the ijmaa' (consensus)

And he judged that what we read is only METAPHORICALLY (majaazan) the speech of Allaah's speech only metaphorically (majaazan) not in reality (haqiiqatan) and this is pure innovation.

Why did he not say that the revelation mentions that what we read and write is the Speech of Allaah without (him) delving into its kaifiyyah (how it is) and its haqiiqah (its reality) - just like in the revelation many attributes have been mentioned such as Face, Two Hands and other than them from the sifaat Khabariyyah.

Reference(s):


نهاية الإقدام في علم الكلام


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For those interested and not bigoted to just one thought and are open to realizing the truth please also visit this page to read in detail about the above innovation.

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format_quote Originally Posted by Nitro Zeus

So thats mean, God can change any divine laws and legislations as He wants and also To Create any heavenly book He wants also To Name the book?
Is also God able To Hate something or To Love something as He wishes? Just for clarification.
I simply never underdstood why He created shuch laws and legislations. Some are very heavy to me, because they do not let me do the things I wished.

It is your wish against the Will of Allaah.

That is the test.

If you pass the test, then you get admitted to a place where you get to do what you wish.

That place is called Heaven.

We are not in heaven at the moment. We are in a temporary life. We have wishes here but we must control them so that we can get into the place where we can have what we wish.

That place is called Heaven.

format_quote Originally Posted by ZeeshanParvez

This is the belief of the Ashaa'irah and the Maturidi.

This is not the belief of ahl al-Sunnah.

This division was an innovation of Abu Hasan al-Asha'ari in an attempt to reconcile between the baatil of the Mu'tazila and the ahl al-Sunnah.

The Mu'tazila held the Qur'aan is created. The ahl al-Sunnah maintained it is not.

When Abu Hasan al-Ashari' left the Mu'tazila that was his first rujuu. And during this rujuu he came up with this bid'ah. The Ashaa'irah themselves acknowledge this bidaah of his. Below is a screen shot of a famous Ash'ari acknowledging this innovated idea.

During his second rujuu, Abu Hasan al-Ashari' retracted from this view of his and joined the ranks of the ahl al-Sunnah.


Abdul-Kareem al-Shahrastani (d. 584H) was from among the later 'Ashaa'irah. He was an important figure among them.

He admits that Abu al-hasan al-Ash'ari broke the Ijmaa and innovated a third saying which was unknown before him.

He says:

فأبدع الأشعري قولاً ثالثاً وقضى بحدوث الحروف وهو خرق الإجماع وحكم بأن ما نقرأه كلام الله مجازاً لا حقيقة وهو عين الابتداع فهلا قال ورد السمع بأن ما نقرأه ونكتبه كلام الله تعالى دون أن يتعرض لكيفيته وحقيقته كما ورد السمع بإثبات كثير من الصفات من الوجه واليدين إلى غير ذلك من الصفات الخبرية

So al-Ash'ari innovated a third saying and passed judgment saying that the letters are huduuth (are not eternal and have a beginning and an end) and this is the destruction of the ijmaa' (consensus)

And he judged that what we read is only METAPHORICALLY (majaazan) the speech of Allaah's speech only metaphorically (majaazan) not in reality (haqiiqatan) and this is pure innovation.

Why did he not say that the revelation mentions that what we read and write is the Speech of Allaah without (him) delving into its kaifiyyah (how it is) and its haqiiqah (its reality) - just like in the revelation many attributes have been mentioned such as Face, Two Hands and other than them from the sifaat Khabariyyah.

Reference(s):


نهاية الإقدام في علم الكلام


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For those interested and not bigoted to just one thought and are open to realizing the truth please also visit this page to read in detail about the above innovation.

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It is your wish against the Will of Allaah.

That is the test.

If you pass the test, then you get admitted to a place where you get to do what you wish.

That place is called Heaven.

We are not in heaven at the moment. We are in a temporary life. We have wishes here but we must control them so that we can get into the place where we can have what we wish.

That place is called Heaven.

I understand this, but the fact that I cant draw anything freely, nor to listen to songs as I want? Nor to dance? This makes me feel horrible, and I'm already facing difficulties with it, because some do not understand it and it is hard for me to convice others that is haram to practice them. And I have to practice them, just to not make myself a fool, and my Christian mother keeps telling me that it is the devil who makes me not to draw, listen to songs and dance and God did not prohibited. That is why I wish desperately for reversal of time, so that new sharia can appear so that I wont have to deal with difficulties anymore. I simply, unable to lile and love the sharia.
Because, I want to follow the new sharia but this time easily. Sometimes, I even hate that I was born because of this.

@ZeeshanParvez :

Read it to remove your misconceptions:

https://asharis.wordpress.com/2014/0...0%2C2759564605

The Quran is the Speech of Allah, not a creation, but its utterance is created. | The Ash'aris [An excerpt translated by Abdur Rahman Al-Sondalaani from Ahl al-Sunna: The Ash‘arīs - The Testimony of the Scholars and Their Proofs By: Ḥamad al-Sinān & Fawzī al-‘Anjarī]   Since the matter is as we mentioned – as the Scholars have clarified, what is the reason for accusing Abdullah bin Sa’eed bin Kullaab of opposing the…...

format_quote Originally Posted by Alamgir

You can draw, so long as if you draw living creatures, they must have key features missing (e.g the face is left blank with no features). You can Google more about this topic to find out the specifics.



You can listen to songs so long as they have no instruments and the lyrics do not promote what is haram.



You can dance so long as the moves do not promote what is haram and you do not dance in front of non-mahram women.



Because you're not finding something else to entertain you. Go and find halal ways of recreation.



Just tell them that Islam says this is haram, and that's enough for something to be haram. There is no why, Islam is pure submission to Allah ar-rahman ar-raheem.



Stop interacting with your mother beyond what is necessary, she's clearly a poor influence upon you.

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It's never too late to turn in repentance (unless you're about to die).

I was only telling her that I hate that I was born because of some Islamic sharia, and she asked me in angry way, "what laws?? You drove me really crazy!!!", and I replayed her, "the fact that it is haram to dance and listen to songs", and she told me, "that is because of Satan who makes you be unhappy and tells you to do things which you should not do". And there were nob mahran too alot, and there was a non mahram Christian lady who asked me to dance with her, and I accepted, because I could not refuse, she would ask why, what sould I tell? Because, Islam forbids this?? She would definitely not believe. And she would keep asking me, and if I were to say no repeatedly, she would get mad at me and I dont like to cause someone be angry at me.
I wonder, in Heaven these Islamic sharia will be completely lifted from us and we would have absolute free will?
If for example, I pray for reversal of time, and then I ask God To Grant us new divine laws and legislations with ang intention I have, then this means that I have committed disbelief no matter what intention I had? If yes, why it is like this?
Would this wish of mine will be answered when I'll reach Heaven? Or still wish for reversal of time will be still rejected and never will be accepted and answered?

format_quote Originally Posted by Alamgir

You should repent for making such a haram statement. These thoughts you have are just whispers from Shaytan, you will be fine if you stop socialising with such bad people.



Stop being a baby and grow up. Tell them it's haram, and if they don't believe you, who cares? Tell them to jog on, they can't force you to do anything. And I already told you, it's haram to unnecessarily socialise with non-Muslims (and non-mahram women). Now you've learnt (one of the many reasons) why the hard way.

Remember, they might get angry at you, but by doing the haram, Allah will be even more angry with you. Who has more of a right to be pleased? A talking piece of meat, or your creator?



That's kufr. Repent from making such a disgusting dua, and instead pray to Allah to make you stronger. If you broke your leg, would you ask for Allah to kill you? Of course not, because not only is that haram, but there's nothing wrong with your body itself, it's just your leg which will heal with time. The same principle applies here.



If you go to heaven, you will have fun, Allah has promised us that. It is guaranteed. So don't fret about anything else, just focus on getting there.

Ok, fine.

Huh, I would not pray for self death just because I have a broken leg. I only pray for He To reverse time so that new divine laws and legislations can appear, so that when we will reach 2019, I can have His Leave To dance and listen to songs as I want without worrying anymore that I made a sin, because it has been converted from haram to halal, and I seek like this because God is the Law Maker and the obly one who has the right To legislate for us, and I want like this because I can pray so that now I can make any animated image as I want, but only this time I can do by His Leave. Honestly, I dont have the intention of going against His Will. And also I wished for me and my family to have His Leave to go to beach alongside with other families so that she can swim with us, because I'm crazy about swimming and being around people.

format_quote Originally Posted by Alamgir

You should repent for making such a haram statement. These thoughts you have are just whispers from Shaytan, you will be fine if you stop socialising with such bad people.



Stop being a baby and grow up. Tell them it's haram, and if they don't believe you, who cares? Tell them to jog on, they can't force you to do anything. And I already told you, it's haram to unnecessarily socialise with non-Muslims (and non-mahram women). Now you've learnt (one of the many reasons) why the hard way.

Remember, they might get angry at you, but by doing the haram, Allah will be even more angry with you. Who has more of a right to be pleased? A talking piece of meat, or your creator?



That's kufr. Repent from making such a disgusting dua, and instead pray to Allah to make you stronger. If you broke your leg, would you ask for Allah to kill you? Of course not, because not only is that haram, but there's nothing wrong with your body itself, it's just your leg which will heal with time. The same principle applies here.



If you go to heaven, you will have fun, Allah has promised us that. It is guaranteed. So don't fret about anything else, just focus on getting there.

So this means, that if I make Dua for self death, then God will get angry at me and He will definitely reject this Dua for any reason or intention I have, right? If yes, can you provide an evidence from Quran regarding your claim, please?
Why would it be kufr for me to ask God To Grant us new divine laws and legislations? What is wrong in this?
I have tried to make Dua for her guidance, but I have not noticed a sign from her that she wills to accept Islam, she only accept Christianity.

format_quote Originally Posted by Alamgir

That's still kufr, the laws are set in stone and for you to think Allah should change them to accommodate your inabilities is the height of arrogance, you act as if you know better than your Lord what is good for you, when you don't. Repent and stop thinking about such stupid things, occupy your mind with other topics.



Yes.



Do you really know that little about Islam that you doubt what you're saying is haram?







I didn't say make dua, I said leave her. Avoid her like the plague. You can make dua for her if you want (obviously that would be a good thing), but the main concern here is you jumping into the same boat as her. We don't want that, so stay away from her and others like her.

Fine, then I will stop. If I fulfill the Islamic sharia as much as I can with intention of earning peace and tranquility in my grave and Hereafter while being angry? Will this anger will not be recorded as a bad deed if I fulfill the Islamic sharia? I'm sorry, now I'm in period of huge depression, and suddenly I have lost control of anger. Then, when I will pass the exam of grade 12 and all my class mates will through a party, then thats mean I can stay home because of fearing of committing sins. I will let them enjoy while I'm staying at home. I will make some efforts of going to Heaven and there I can enjoy myself as much as I can.