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    Salaam

    I thought this was a settled question, some would like to change it.







    She's no doubt influenced by 'feminism' so that explains her line of 'reasoning' but can any learned members counter what shes saying from an Islamic perspective?

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    Re: On Marriage between Muslims and non Muslims.

    Quote Originally Posted by Junon View Post
    Salaam

    I thought this was a settled question, some would like to change it.







    She's no doubt influenced by 'feminism' so that explains her line of 'reasoning' but can any learned members counter what shes saying from an Islamic perspective?
    Look! You cannot save everyone. Some people their hearts are closed. Some have guidance others not. A smart nowadays need to look for the keywords when women talk or behave that triggers the red flag. When he sees those red flags those are the women you need to avoid marrying. He have to think for the well being of himself first then his children. He will be held responsible for picking the mother of these children in the afterlife and these children will drag him to hellfire if the mother is that, feminist, liberal, not Muslim, etc.

    It is not the responsibility of men to make sure women are married and have a husband, no, it is his responsibility to build a proper foundation for the future generation. It is an enormous responsibility that it is on his shoulder and so he have to make sure he picks the woman that Allah (Subhanahu Wa Talaa) talks about in the Qura'an for the mother of his children. If he couldn't find it, he stays single until he finds one even if he dies single and no lineage from him. Better to die single and in the afterlife you don't have people dragging you to hellfire than having children and end up leading them to hellfire and you with them.

    You cannot save everyone brother, focus on yourself. See your short comings and work on fixing them. Don't forget, there are more new women being born each other...the good will replace the bad. Much like good men will replace bad ones.
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    Re: On Marriage between Muslims and non Muslims.

    Marrying nonmuslims is,ha ram.. Unless she convert Ito slam .itis applicable for menalso
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    Re: On Marriage between Muslims and non Muslims.

    Quote Originally Posted by jameelash View Post
    Marrying nonmuslims is,ha ram.. Unless she convert Ito slam .itis applicable for menalso
    Especially if the father is handing his children to the first teacher they see: a non-Muslim. Have men ever thought of this before been hypnotized by the charm and beauty of a non-Muslim woman? Or fall in WITH LOVE concept?

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    Re: On Marriage between Muslims and non Muslims.

    Quote Originally Posted by jameelash View Post
    Marrying nonmuslims is,ha ram.. Unless she convert Ito slam .itis applicable for menalso
    Lets not go to the other extreme and make things haram which Allah has clearly made halal in Quran:

    …….. (Lawful to you in marriage) are chaste women from the believers and chaste women from those who were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians) …..[Quran 5:4]
    Clearly Quran has allowed Muslim men to marry non Muslim women. But there are certain conditions. which I will mention later in my post.

    Let's first look at the wisdom why Allah allows Muslim men to marry Christian/Jewish women and why Islam does not allow Muslim women to marry Christian/Jewish men:

    Marriage in Islam is based upon love, mercy and peace of mind; a family must be built upon a firm basis to guarantee the continuity of the marital relationship. Islam respects all the previous heavenly revealed religions and the belief in all the previous Prophets is an inseparable part of the Islamic creed.

    A Muslim man who marries a Christian or a Jewish woman, is commanded to respect her faith, and it is not permissible for him to prevent his wife from practicing the rites of her religion and going to the church or synagogue. Therefore, Islam seeks to provide the wife with her husband's respect for her religion which in turn protects the family from destruction.

    On the other hand, a non-Muslim man will not respect his Muslim wife's faith. This is because a Muslim man believes in all previous religions and Prophets of God and respects them while a non-Muslim does not believe nor acknowledges the Prophet of Islam; rather, a non-Muslim considers Prophet Mohammed a false prophet and usually believes in all the fabricated lies made against Islam and its Prophet. Even if a non-Muslim husband does not explicitly express this, a Muslim wife will constantly feel that her husband does not respect her faith. There is no room for compliments regarding this matter; it is a matter of principle. Moreover, mutual respect between spouses is a fundamental element for the continuity of their marital relationship.

    Why Islam does not allow Muslim men to marry non-Muslim women other than Jews or Christian?

    Islam follows its own logic when it prohibits a Muslim man from marrying a non-Muslim other than a Christian or a Jewess for the same reason it prohibits a Muslim woman from marrying a non-Muslim.

    A Muslim believes in only the Heavenly revealed religions; all other religions are human made. So, in the case when a Muslim woman marries a non-Muslim, the element of respect to the wife's religion will be non-existent. This will affect the marital relationship and will not achieve the love and mercy that is required in a marital relationship.

    Conditions for a Muslim man to marry Christian or Jewish women:


    1. Muslim men can only marry Christian or Jewish women.
    2. Non-Muslim women with whom one wants to marry shall be chaste. This means that they shall be in no relationship before wedding with anyone including the Muslim men who want to marry them.
    3. Non-Muslim women shall be practicing their religion. For example if the woman is a Christian, then she shall be one who goes regularly to church.
    4. Ibn Abbas also imposed one more condition that is these non-Muslim women shall be living in the Islamic state or country. If a women lives in non Islamic country then Muslim men can't marry them. This is also the view of Imam Malik.


    If one follows above 4 conditions then literally it is impossible for Muslim men to marry non-Muslim women in our time and age. It may have been possible probably a century ago because Christian and Jewish women back then used to protect their virginity before getting married. Now it is common in Western countries to have many relationships before one gets married and finding a virgin non-Muslim girl is almost impossible. It is also a fact that many Jewish and Christian women are Jew or Christian because they are born in a Jewish/Christian family. Most people in the West don't believe in God. There are some who do but to them life after death does not make sense. So one way or the other most people in the West are Jews or Christian only by name.

    There is a great wisdom in the 4th condition mentioned above. Many Muslim men come to the West to find better job opportunities and permanent citizenship. It is a fact that many of them end up in marrying non-Muslim girls because they want to take a short cut and get permanent citizenship. Once they get the citizenship, all of a sudden they realize that they can't live with their non-Muslim wife. They end up having a divorce while they have children through this marriage. By law mother gets the custody of the children and guess what these children are most likely to be raised as non-Muslim.

    Muslims who marry non-Muslim girls have very weak faith. Most of them don't even get up for Fajr and guess what after marrying a non-Muslim girl, their faith only gets worse. They stop praying all together, they don't fast, never come to mosque for Friday prayer or Eid prayer. They still call themselves non-practicing Muslims. However, if they marry non-Muslim girl in a Muslim society the chance is that they will still hear the call for prayer. Someone around them will still call them towards good and they will still be offering prayers and fasting. Chances are the non-Muslim girl may convert to Islam.

    So my advice to Muslim men is that don't marry non-Muslims girls in Western society unless they convert to Islam or put a condition in marriage contract that you will have custody of children if the marriage ended up in divorce. You can still marry Christian and Jewish girls if you live in an Islamic state but that should be your last option.
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    Re: On Marriage between Muslims and non Muslims.

    Quote Originally Posted by HabibUrrehman View Post
    Lets not go to the other extreme and make things haram which Allah has clearly made halal in Quran:



    Clearly Quran has allowed Muslim men to marry non Muslim women. But there are certain conditions. which I will mention later in my post.

    Let's first look at the wisdom why Allah allows Muslim men to marry Christian/Jewish women and why Islam does not allow Muslim women to marry Christian/Jewish men:

    Marriage in Islam is based upon love, mercy and peace of mind; a family must be built upon a firm basis to guarantee the continuity of the marital relationship. Islam respects all the previous heavenly revealed religions and the belief in all the previous Prophets is an inseparable part of the Islamic creed.

    A Muslim man who marries a Christian or a Jewish woman, is commanded to respect her faith, and it is not permissible for him to prevent his wife from practicing the rites of her religion and going to the church or synagogue. Therefore, Islam seeks to provide the wife with her husband's respect for her religion which in turn protects the family from destruction.

    On the other hand, a non-Muslim man will not respect his Muslim wife's faith. This is because a Muslim man believes in all previous religions and Prophets of God and respects them while a non-Muslim does not believe nor acknowledges the Prophet of Islam; rather, a non-Muslim considers Prophet Mohammed a false prophet and usually believes in all the fabricated lies made against Islam and its Prophet. Even if a non-Muslim husband does not explicitly express this, a Muslim wife will constantly feel that her husband does not respect her faith. There is no room for compliments regarding this matter; it is a matter of principle. Moreover, mutual respect between spouses is a fundamental element for the continuity of their marital relationship.

    Why Islam does not allow Muslim men to marry non-Muslim women other than Jews or Christian?

    Islam follows its own logic when it prohibits a Muslim man from marrying a non-Muslim other than a Christian or a Jewess for the same reason it prohibits a Muslim woman from marrying a non-Muslim.

    A Muslim believes in only the Heavenly revealed religions; all other religions are human made. So, in the case when a Muslim woman marries a non-Muslim, the element of respect to the wife's religion will be non-existent. This will affect the marital relationship and will not achieve the love and mercy that is required in a marital relationship.

    Conditions for a Muslim man to marry Christian or Jewish women:


    1. Muslim men can only marry Christian or Jewish women.
    2. Non-Muslim women with whom one wants to marry shall be chaste. This means that they shall be in no relationship before wedding with anyone including the Muslim men who want to marry them.
    3. Non-Muslim women shall be practicing their religion. For example if the woman is a Christian, then she shall be one who goes regularly to church.
    4. Ibn Abbas also imposed one more condition that is these non-Muslim women shall be living in the Islamic state or country. If a women lives in non Islamic country then Muslim men can't marry them. This is also the view of Imam Malik.


    If one follows above 4 conditions then literally it is impossible for Muslim men to marry non-Muslim women in our time and age. It may have been possible probably a century ago because Christian and Jewish women back then used to protect their virginity before getting married. Now it is common in Western countries to have many relationships before one gets married and finding a virgin non-Muslim girl is almost impossible. It is also a fact that many Jewish and Christian women are Jew or Christian because they are born in a Jewish/Christian family. Most people in the West don't believe in God. There are some who do but to them life after death does not make sense. So one way or the other most people in the West are Jews or Christian only by name.

    There is a great wisdom in the 4th condition mentioned above. Many Muslim men come to the West to find better job opportunities and permanent citizenship. It is a fact that many of them end up in marrying non-Muslim girls because they want to take a short cut and get permanent citizenship. Once they get the citizenship, all of a sudden they realize that they can't live with their non-Muslim wife. They end up having a divorce while they have children through this marriage. By law mother gets the custody of the children and guess what these children are most likely to be raised as non-Muslim.

    Muslims who marry non-Muslim girls have very weak faith. Most of them don't even get up for Fajr and guess what after marrying a non-Muslim girl, their faith only gets worse. They stop praying all together, they don't fast, never come to mosque for Friday prayer or Eid prayer. They still call themselves non-practicing Muslims. However, if they marry non-Muslim girl in a Muslim society the chance is that they will still hear the call for prayer. Someone around them will still call them towards good and they will still be offering prayers and fasting. Chances are the non-Muslim girl may convert to Islam.

    So my advice to Muslim men is that don't marry non-Muslims girls in Western society unless they convert to Islam or put a condition in marriage contract that you will have custody of children if the marriage ended up in divorce. You can still marry Christian and Jewish girls if you live in an Islamic state but that should be your last option.

    THAT IS EXACTLY 100% MY INTENTION when I agreed that a Muslim man should not marry a non-Muslim woman...BECAUSE NOW NON-MUSLIM women DO NOT MEET THE FOUR requirements and in fat they have become the qayama, the ruler, the leader and have laws to back them up against the husband. When a Muslim man marries a non-Muslim woman he is not marrying a non-Muslim woman...he is marrying the GOVERNMENT itself. The government now can see, hear and know everything you are doing through the wife's eyes and ears. She have the government under he feet to obey her hims and desires. She can pick up the phone and anytime (get bored of you) call the cop and have you in prison for life for false allegations. She can kill you and fake tears saying she have been emotionally and physically abused by you and they will obey her whims and desires. The children are under her control and she can turn them into atheist to despise you or hurt you and she doesn't care.

    Heck...see how non-Muslim woman treat their sons. They are ok to turn their sons gay or transsexual and they don't shed a tear for them.

    Nowadays a Muslim man SHOULD NOT MARRY A NON-MUSLIM woman because only 0.0000000000000000001% non-Muslim meet the four requirements above. I say it again and will say it again, all Muslim women should be married on Earth by a Muslim man first until there are not one SINGLE MUSLIM woman unmarried on the entire Earth...and that means we may need to go to China to confirm and see all Muslim woman got married and we may need to go to some Amazon in some island in some spot on Earth far away from civilization and see if there are Muslim women there who unmarried and marry them with Muslim men first until even if it take us to dig to the near core of the Earth all over the Earth to confirm there are not one single Muslim woman who are unmarried that they get married before a Muslim man should ever EVER...CONSIDER marrying a Non-Muslim woman. In fact, if I was him...I would wait until a new baby girl born and she grows up to a woman to marry her before marrying a non-Muslim woman.

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    Re: On Marriage between Muslims and non Muslims.

    I disagree about this...if a woman sincerely accepts islam then by all means one can marry her. The difference between sincerity and if that person is becoming a Muslim for a fake reason is to tell them about islam in the beginning. If they accept it and actually believe it then why not marry them since they became muslims? If not then you know this person is not worthy because they do not respect your religion so how can they respect you. Let's not forget many nonmuslims women are much better than our muslim women. How many times how you heard of muslim women that pray but at the same time are doing horrible things such as the posts you read about a brother going through divorce and battling custody rights. So remember there is good and bad in both. Personally I am more likely to trust a nonmuslim as they are less likely to lie or betray you

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    Especially since there is also racism prominent in my community...shows how shallow our people can be


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