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    Article 18 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights states that genuine religious liberty necessarily includes freedom to change religions no matter which religion you belong too. I have read that Saudi Arabia would not sign on to this document because of Article 18 and other Islamic authorities say this is against Islam. Also no Muslim majority nation officially guarantees Muslims freedom to leave Islam. Is this true? I am not trying to get Muslims to leave Islam, it's not my business, just saying all people, regardless of religion, should have absolute freedom to leave any religion, including Islam. Is that against Islam?

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    format_quote Originally Posted by nurseken7 View Post
    See? it's that kind of attitude among Muslims needs to be publicized in the USA to show how wrong American liberal are who say Islam is all about peace and the only problems with Islam is a few fringe radicals
    I think you are speaking to the radicals.
    Reality is that most Muslims are not radicals.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by nurseken7 View Post
    Keep talking. Everything you say proves I'm right in what I say about Islam
    and what do you say about it? The Texts are already there, the history is there, nothing laymen can say whether it's libetard muslims, or extreme salafists say will change what's already set in stone.

    It's hilarious that you europeans and americans think you can change the religion to your own liking as if it's your personal property. Look up the Crusades, see what our ancestors did to European invaders. Search Sultan Baibars and see what he did to Europeans in Antioch.

    We aren't like Native Americans who will just roll over and die when you want it to be.
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    Re: religious freedom

    Nurseken, go ask an scholar instead of debating here.
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    Re: religious freedom

    format_quote Originally Posted by nurseken7 View Post
    Keep talking. Everything you say proves I'm right in what I say about Islam
    Salaams.

    You’ll find what you seek.


    1) there is no compulsion in religion.
    2) our duty is to invite others, the ‘hidayah’ is from Allah.
    3) should one decide to leave islam, they should not incite provocation because ‘to you is your belief, to me is mine’.

    But unfortunately, too many people take differing actions.

    Case in point. To cut off hands if caught stealing. It is a preventive measure. It is the person residing on the judge’s seat that will make the rule good and fair or draconian.

    I see in Malaysia we have a slight predicament. That we do not have facilities for abandoned babies. Officially opening these centres would give impression that the government allows this. But pretending it doesn’t exist also does not make sense.

    Also, islam is NOT about democracy. It’s about serving Allah. And we do NOT make the rules. We try understand them and comply. We cannot pick and choose. Islam is perfect but the people are not. The people are the same, world over. It’s their faith that differentiates them.


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