Are Muslims being picky when convenient?

format_quote Originally Posted by Eddy

No, my main concern is that some Muslims misrepresent what the Quran says.

Well, here in the west we don't do take justice with our own hands, we pay taxes so that the specialized people can defend our country and do what is necessary to protect us.
So basically I don't have any problem with defending yourself.

I don't associate wrong doings with Islam but some wrong doers associate themselves with Islam.

Finally one question for you.
According to the Quran under Islamic law I should be killed if I refuse to convert to Islam and refuse to pay the jizya.
Do you agree with this sharia law regulation?

Greetings there,

Fascinating discussion going on. I see you realize that anything can be misunderstood and/or misrepresented.

As you have misunderstood about what you mentioned to be a "shariah law regulation", forced conversions makes no sense and is not allowed in Islam (Q. 2:256 - There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion.).

The stipulation you are attempting to refer to only occurs under a bona-fide Islamic government (none exists today) during a situation leading to war. It's the combatants that potentially get killed in battle if the opposing nation decides to fight, no one else. That's a common theme in war among nations.

And, in reality, the Jizya would be orders of magnitude less in comparison to the trillions of dollars that go down the memory hole that we're told is for defense. You would actually be protected in the Islamic lands with the paltry amount paid - if you had to pay at all.

In contrast, one of the highest decorated US Military officers in history has written a treatise making the argument that your tax money for defense is going to fund a criminal enterprise.

Read War is a Racket by Major General Smedley Butler. (click on link to the left)

Perhaps he misunderstood and is not representative of the broader community?

Well, here in the west we don't do take justice with our own hands, we pay taxes so that the specialized people can defend our country and do what is necessary to protect us.
So basically I don't have any problem with defending yourself.

See, this is the difference between being a troll or just not processing information correctly.

The bottom line is that western society still needs its violent paragraphs.

It's just that most people don't have to read them anymore.

And it's not just a trivial matter to brush aside because many people do question the defence budgets of Western countries..

Those are some heavy paragraphs.

Now I know that context is everything, most people have no need for violence in everyday life, within the communities and societies they live in.

But a few people do ruin it for others because they don't understand the consequences for society as a whole.

This is primarily why I'm against violence. Simply because most people just end up hurting themselves through its use.

It's like how bin laden was not only responsible for those that died on 9/11 but for enabling America to wage war on the Middle East.

...these are guys that go to gun ranges for fun and who's granpapas carried six shooters.

He should have known better.

I for one am not about to jump on a mustang and practice my bow and arrows..

People been scratching up my car as it is.

But seriously, why can't people just not be violent terrorists? Then you wouldn't have to worry about anything going on somewhere you dont care about.

..but you did save the Jews from Hitler though so I'm sure far away lands and far away people still hold out some hope.

I am actually trying to be funny because the world is a low brow joke to be fair.

I'm a pacifist these days because of the fact, as a brown guy in a white room.. I don't know if I should laugh or be offended when someone says.

It's Mo, he loves us.. Followed up with, your a coconut arnt ya mate.

Or the shift manager telling people it's OK to be yourself at home but you can't be racist at work.

...left me looking around the room thinking who's been offended now. I didn't snitch.

That was really kinda funny.

Super high banter level in a super high energy environment.

Loads of ex army, raf guys and even a few that served navy during the Falklands.

You can usually tell someone's coming long before the door opens.

It's a learning experience.

Iv never really been much of a talker so I really do see the power in words.

And I wish Muslims as a whole were able to better articulate themselves and form not just arguments but answers that lead in the direction they want to go.. Or lead the argument in the direction they wish to go.

It's an education thing for the most part and personal character for the other most part.

Allah swt guide us to good character.. Because who the heck is ever going to be that clever?

Eddy, your a troll..

Violence has been around since cain and able.. And it always has an agenda.

Maybe you expected a different manual for the army once there were enough people to actually form one..

But its all in the same place.

Maybe there should be a few notes on landmines or cluster bombs,napalm or white phosphorus.. Various gasses and whatever else you could think of but no.

It's always as It has been, there for you to read and interpret, Nothing redacted or hidden.

Your just really low tier bate.

I really try not to get caught up in that sort of stuff.

Are Muslims being picky when convenient?

Just check this out, eddy asks...

Why do you claim to be non violent when your religion advocates and wants violence?

..its true, these Muslims do have a nerve. How can this possible be eddy? How?

...are we doing it wrong eddy?

Can't I just do reviews of supercars on YouTube or something?

In all seriousness you will probably find that most terror attacks are committed by mentally unstable people.

One of the first things we got told at work is the importance of avoiding giving any information on social media.

And secondly, not accepting any money to compromise the security of work from outsiders.

Two very important driving factors in today's society.

You may not be a troll, and that worries me more than anything else.

I'm not trying to be another fish on the line.. But we all are.

format_quote Originally Posted by Eddy

I didn't mention anything about force conversions.
I was referring to Quran 9:29 and the options given there.
You are not really forced to convert since you have another option (pay the jizya).
Refusing both options will get you killed if I understood correctly.

No, you are incorrect. Your answers have more than sufficiently been given.