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    The Hadith in question

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    A while ago I asked help on interpreting Hadith in general.
    Here is a specific Hadith:

    Sahih Muslim
    In-book reference
    Book 52, Hadith 10
    Reference
    Hadith 2789
    USC-MSA web (English) reference
    Book 39, Hadith 6707

    Abu Huraira reported that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) took hold of my hands and said:
    Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, created the clay on Saturday and He created the mountains on Sunday and He created the trees on Monday and He created the things entailing labour on Tuesday and created light on Wednesday and He caused the animals to spread on Thursday and created Adam (peace be upon him) after 'Asr on Friday; the last creation at the last hour of the hours of Friday, i. e. between afternoon and night. This hadith is narrated through another chain of transmitters.

    If this Hadith is accurate as it has been written then a lot of things are wrong.
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    Re: The Hadith in question

    Assalamualaikum warahmatullahi wa barakathuh,
    This Hadith is from sahih muslim.it should be authentic.what is wrong in it ?I am confused.can you please explain it.

    Jazaka Allahu khairen
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    Re: The Hadith in question

    Yes Jazaka I can explain it.
    My explanation is based on my own thinking and conclusions and not based on any context or scholars because I couldn't find any explanation to this Hadith.

    First problem: The Quran tells that the Universe was created in six days but this Hadith says it happened in seven days.
    It counts each day starting from Saturday and ending on Friday (That's seven days)

    Problem two: Adam was created on Friday after afternoon prayers?
    There were prayers even before there were humans?
    I suppose (just my own thinking) that Allah used the time of afternoon prayer just as a reference of time of the day instead of saying at 5 o' clock or whenever is the time of afternoon prayer.

    Problem three: Many Muslims believe each day during the creation of the Universe is not a 24 hour period but a period of time that can go for one thousand years (according to some scholars), fifty thousand years (according to other scholars) or an unknown period of time (according to others)
    This Hadith on the other hand seems to clearly establish that each day is what we consider a day today (a 24 hour period based on a full 360 degree rotation of planet earth)
    Notice that even references a particular time during the 24 hour period which is the afternoon prayer.

    Problem four: The creation of the Universe doesn't match today's most popular theories about how the universe came to exist. Scientists today believe the Big Bang happened 13.8 billion years ago.
    Planet Earth only appeard in the Universe about 4.5 billion years ago.
    Humans first appeard about 120 thousand years ago.
    According to this Hadith and the Quran the Earth was created first, then the mountains, trees and light on Wednesday? What?
    Well I suppose that by light it means the creation of the stars (including the sun) which is what provides light to our planet.

    Problem five: If we believe the scientific theories then it is impossible to believe the universe was created in 6 or 7 days (or 1.000 or 50.000 years) since we can see that from the time of the Big Band (when all started) to the time planet Earth first appeared there is a lapse of 9.3 billion years.
    Also the first human first appeared on Earth after 13.8 billion years from the beginning of the universe.

    This is only my personal view which I think is the view of any educated individual nowadays but I'm still trying to find what is the Islamic explanation.
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    Re: The Hadith in question

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    Yes Jazaka I can explain it.
    My explanation is based on my own thinking and conclusions and not based on any context or scholars because I couldn't find any explanation to this Hadith.

    First problem: The Quran tells that the Universe was created in six days but this Hadith says it happened in seven days.
    It counts each day starting from Saturday and ending on Friday (That's seven days)

    Problem two: Adam was created on Friday after afternoon prayers?
    There were prayers even before there were humans?
    I suppose (just my own thinking) that Allah used the time of afternoon prayer just as a reference of time of the day instead of saying at 5 o' clock or whenever is the time of afternoon prayer.

    Problem three: Many Muslims believe each day during the creation of the Universe is not a 24 hour period but a period of time that can go for one thousand years (according to some scholars), fifty thousand years (according to other scholars) or an unknown period of time (according to others)
    This Hadith on the other hand seems to clearly establish that each day is what we consider a day today (a 24 hour period based on a full 360 degree rotation of planet earth)
    Notice that even references a particular time during the 24 hour period which is the afternoon prayer.

    Problem four: The creation of the Universe doesn't match today's most popular theories about how the universe came to exist. Scientists today believe the Big Bang happened 13.8 billion years ago.
    Planet Earth only appeard in the Universe about 4.5 billion years ago.
    Humans first appeard about 120 thousand years ago.
    According to this Hadith and the Quran the Earth was created first, then the mountains, trees and light on Wednesday? What?
    Well I suppose that by light it means the creation of the stars (including the sun) which is what provides light to our planet.

    Problem five: If we believe the scientific theories then it is impossible to believe the universe was created in 6 or 7 days (or 1.000 or 50.000 years) since we can see that from the time of the Big Band (when all started) to the time planet Earth first appeared there is a lapse of 9.3 billion years.
    Also the first human first appeared on Earth after 13.8 billion years from the beginning of the universe.

    This is only my personal view which I think is the view of any educated individual nowadays but I'm still trying to find what is the Islamic explanation.
    Assalamualaikum warahmatullahi wa barakathuh,
    Ok, I will try my best to make it clear .
    Firstly,the scholars are not united about the authenticity of the Hadith .
    The word" yawwm " mean a day ,an age ,era or the long periods .
    The Hadith doesn't explain the Quranic account of creation of the heaven and earth in six days .
    al-Albani writes:

    The six days mentioned in the Qur’an are different than the seven days mentioned in this hadith. The hadith talks about a stage from the stages of creation on the surface of the Earth until it became suitable for life. This is supported by the fact that Qur’an says some of days (ayyam) with Allah are equal to a thousand years and some are fifty-thousand years. What forbids six days to be from this kind and the seven days (of hadith) to be like our days, as it is explicit in the hadith? .

    As to the creation of things on respective week days, the hadith only tells us what object was completed on what day of the week without having to say anything about the total span of time consumed in the process. This is clear from the accounts of the creation of man which according to this hadith happened on Friday.
    And like the hadith under discussion there are other reports about creation of Adam on Friday narrated by Abu Huraira,Aws bin Aws and Sa’d bin ‘Ubadah.
    These hadith reports suggest the creation of Adam was a process that continued for a certain period of time exceeding forty years. Therefore, narrations about creation of Adam on Friday can be understood to mean perfection and completion of the said process.The same may be said of creation of rest of the things on other days mentioned in the hadith of Abu Huraira. Regardless of the time it took for the creation of any of the objects each was completed and perfected on the respective day of the week.

    I hope it clears the first point .
    2:the Asr is not the prayer .Asr is the time around 4 :35 in winter days or 5 in summer or 5:30 maybe they are not exact time but yeah around.it is the time like night ,day etc .the prayer is based on this time and gave the name of the time.
    3: yes about yawwm I already explain it above.
    4: the "Nur" light mentioned in this Hadith is not the light which you are thinking.prove:the angels are created from Nur .the" rooh " also created from it and in Quran Allah says,
    Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth. His light1 is like a niche in which there is a lamp, the lamp is in a crystal, the crystal is like a shining star, lit from ˹the oil of˺ a blessed olive tree, ˹located˺ neither to the east nor the west,2 whose oil would almost glow, even without being touched by fire. Light upon light! Allah guides whoever He wills to His light. And Allah sets forth parables for humanity. For Allah has ˹perfect˺ knowledge of all things. 24 :35 .
    Then ,what do you think the Nur is light (sun ,stars)?.no .it also means to showing the right path , goodness etc . Further more :

    The purpose of the hadith, it appears, is only to tell that all the days of the week the process of creation continued. This is to reject the idea of God resting on Saturday and the Jewish belief of Sabbath.

    Moreover, the order of mention does not necessarily imply sequence of creation except for the creation of Adam which is categorically mentioned to be the last of all. Use of the conjunction “wa” (and) does not imply relative order. Fakhr ad-Deen ar-Razi (d. 606 AH) reiterated this point over and over again in his commentary. For instance, at one point he stated:
    “The letter ‘waw’ denotes unrestricted conjunction and not relative order.

    It only means in the overall Creation Plan when the creation of trees was completed it was Monday and the same in case of light happened on a Wednesday. And as we know, every Wednesday is followed by a Monday of the subsequent week. The purpose of the hadith is not to describe the sequential plan of creation but only to tell us that something was created and perfected on every day of the week regardless of the order and intervening period between the (perfection of the) creation of those different things.

    Moreover, the word “noor” does not necessarily mean “light.” Explaining “makrooh” and “noor” Ibn al-Athir al-Jazri said:
    “al-Makruh”: Opposite of the liked. Here it means evil as the hadith further says, “And He created al-noor on Wednesday.” Nur is goodness.
    As per this interpretation the hadith would mean, “He created the trees on Monday, He created the evil on Tuesday, He created the goodness on Wednesday,”.

    5:I don't know how you get there that first human apeard after 13.8 billion years from the beginning of the universe.because what I know is that the big bang happened 13.8 billions years ago .and the first human apeard which was know as homo habilis in southern Africa about 2.4 million years ago . When we count it it comes that 13,797.6 or 13,798.6 million years after the the begging of the universe first human apeard on this planet . Because some researches show it as 1.4 million years ago.so not confirmed.maybe I am wrong my math is weak .
    I explain them shortly .for more explanation you can check out this link .
    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...s9y9Hng2H2WqRJ
    Anything else?
    Jazaka Allahu khairen
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    Re: The Hadith in question

    Allah swt is the one who created Time and space . Why would he need to wait for billions of years like us. He can just jump in time and place whatever he wants bcz he can alter the time bcz he is all powerful right. I don't see any problem here
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