Love for the Prophet represented in rallies

**HeiGou** · 05-05-2006

Originally Posted by Syed Nizam

Originally Posted by Nicola

So no Muslim person who has ever lived, have never abused Islamic law ever?
If only life was that simple!

Honestly, the same can be applied towards any other religion as well. Christianity, Judaism, Hinduisms...etc. I cant see ur logic of applying it only towards the muslim? This is prejudice, ain't it?

Well it may be prejudice, but there is a difference here which is the degree to which Islam leaves things up to the individual. Church law is hard to abuse because it is Church-centered and hence enforced by secular authorities. If they put restrictions on marriage, for instance, those restrictions are enforced. But Islamic law seems much more an individual thing. Who decides if a husband is worthy of marrying more than one? Not the ulama, not the government, but the husband himself. Who punishes the killers in honor killing cases? Well the deceased family is involved. Any system of law can be abused, but one that leaves so much to the individual to decide and pick and choose from is one that is going to be abused far more.

The mass simply reacted that way due to their reverence to the Prophet (pbuh). Most muslims do revered the Prophet (pbuh) more than their own lives.

The biggest rally in London saw about 60,000 people turn out against the Danish cartoons. You can say that Muslims should revere Muhammed more than their own lives, but it is clear that in the UK about 99 percent of them couldn't be bothered to give up a Saturday morning for him.

**Ayesha Rana** · 05-05-2006

Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatu

Originally Posted by HeiGou

The biggest rally in London saw about 60,000 people turn out against the Danish cartoons. You can say that Muslims should revere Muhammed more than their own lives, but it is clear that in the UK about 99 percent of them couldn't be bothered to give up a Saturday morning for him.

Do you mean that those 99 percent didn't give up a Saturday morning by not participating in the rally? Cos mabey they were doing something better,like making Du'a and being patient. In the Quran we are told that although the disbelievers plot and plan, Allah too is planning, nd He is the best of planners. Don't judge by what you see bro. I like many muslims believe that if they want to frustrate us we Insha'Allah have Allah as our aid and with this in mind why should we care for their petty attention seeking methods. Allah is ever mindful of what they reveal and what they conceal.

**Mohsin** · 05-05-2006

Originally Posted by HeiGou

The biggest rally in London saw about 60,000 people turn out against the Danish cartoons. You can say that Muslims should revere Muhammed more than their own lives, but it is clear that in the UK about 99 percent of them couldn't be bothered to give up a Saturday morning for him.

Sorry bro, thats a really weak point, so all of a sudden you know that everybody else isn't busy on that partcular saturday, or that some people may think rallys are pointless, and its better just letting everyone know of Muhammed SAW's greatness, and of islams teachings, by implementing and following the way Muhammed PBUH showed us, so instead letting our actions and character show the way

**HeiGou** · 05-05-2006

Originally Posted by Moss

Sorry bro, thats a really weak point, so all of a sudden you know that everybody else isn't busy on that partcular saturday, or that some people may think rallys are pointless, and its better just letting everyone know of Muhammed SAW's greatness, and of islams teachings, by implementing and following the way Muhammed PBUH showed us, so instead letting our actions and character show the way

I don't know if they were busy or not. Perhaps they were. So what, do you think, is more important to a good Muslim that protecting Muhammed's name? Taking their children to soccer practice perhaps? Picking up their dry cleaning? Going shopping? I don't think that a good Muslim could name many things more important than protecting Muhammed and displaying outrage at those cartoons. Who here can name anything they would rather have been doing?

But given there are, what?, seven million Muslims in Britain?, an awful lot of them seemed to have better things to do that day.

**Ansar Al-'Adl** · 05-05-2006

Originally Posted by HeiGou

But given there are, what?, seven million Muslims in Britain?, an awful lot of them seemed to have better things to do that day.

I agree with Br. Moss that this is a flawed argument. For one thing, there are several scholars who are of the view that it is preferred to write letters, give lectures, speak to others, in order to voice one's opinion as opposed to holding political rallies. The rally was not about how many people love the Prophet - love of the Prophet has to do with implementing the Sunnah, not just marching down the street with a sign. Now I was opposed to the cartoons and the Prophet saws is the most dear of all people to me, but I didn't attend a rally. It truly is a bogus argument to say that the number of people who come to a rally in a city are the number of people how truly follow Islam and love the Prophet. That's just nonsense.

So what, do you think, is more important to a good Muslim that protecting Muhammed's name?

The Prophet's name needs no protection, but as it is, who ever said that a rally is the best, let alone the only way of presenting Prophet Muhammad's message? What is wrong with explaining the message of the Prophet to non-muslims and clarifying miscocneptions instead???

Regards

**HeiGou** · 05-05-2006

Originally Posted by Ansar Al-'Adl

It truly is a bogus argument to say that the number of people who come to a rally in a city are the number of people how truly follow Islam and love the Prophet. That's just nonsense.

Actually that is not quite my argument. My argument would be that the number of people who turn up is a measure of how much the community as a whole feels about the issue. The more that turn out, the deeper the passions in the wider community. Now some good Muslims probably had better things to do. Some, no doubt, had good reason not to attend. But on average the more angry the community as a whole feels about something the more protestors. So the size is an indication, not a measure.

**Ansar Al-'Adl** · 05-05-2006

Originally Posted by HeiGou

Actually that is not quite my argument. My argument would be that the number of people who turn up is a measure of how much the community as a whole feels about the issue. The more that turn out, the deeper the passions in the wider community. [...] But on average the more angry the community as a whole feels about something the more protestors.

Saying that the rally turn-out is reflective of outrage on the issue is not as fallacious as saying it is reflective of love for the Prophet, but it still is not necessarily the case. There is the assumption that everyone who is outraged about an issue chooses to express their outrage by marching down the street waving a sign or chanting a slogan - clearly, not always the case.

**Abu Zakariya** · 05-06-2006

You can say that Muslims should revere Muhammed more than their own lives, but it is clear that in the UK about 99 percent of them couldn't be bothered to give up a Saturday morning for him.

You know, some people, as Ansar al-'Adl pointed out, don't feel that going down a street chanting slogans is the best way to show ones love to the Prophet (salallahu 'alayhi wa sallam).
Instead, maybe they woke up at 3 A.M. that Saturday morning to pray the morning prayer, following the example of the Prophet (salallahu 'alayhi wa sallam). That's maybe a better way of showing ones love for him? By following his example...
And then, that same Saturday, they teach people about the Sunnah of the Prophet etcetera. Maybe they think that this is a better way of standind up for the Prophet, instead of going to demonstrations, about which numerous scholars said we shouldn't be attending anyway.

**Mohsin** · 05-06-2006

Originally Posted by HeiGou

I don't know if they were busy or not. Perhaps they were. So what, do you think, is more important to a good Muslim that protecting Muhammed's name? Taking their children to soccer practice perhaps? Picking up their dry cleaning? Going shopping? I don't think that a good Muslim could name many things more important than protecting Muhammed and displaying outrage at those cartoons. Who here can name anything they would rather have been doing?

But given there are, what?, seven million Muslims in Britain?, an awful lot of them seemed to have better things to do that day.

Hi

Like Ansar and Abu zakariyah said, some scholars were of the opinion you shouldn't go to the rallys. The best way to show our love for implementing the sunnah is by following his example.
I heard this really good reminder/talk by a knowledgable brother at the time of the cartoons; he said you didn't need these people to draw cartoons to insult the prophet, we as muslims are insulting the Prophet ourselves, how many of us are following his sunnah, growing a beard like him, eating the humble way he did on the floor, dressing the way he did, starting the day off like he would, etc etc Us muslims are ourselves slaughtering the sunnah of our prophet Muhammed SAW. Wherever we do things contradicting the sunnah, we are indirectly implying our way is better than his way, because if we didn't think that, then we would be following his example in that particluar incident.The best way to show our love for him would be to implement his sunnah and imitate his actions

Us muslims should set such an example that, if a suicide bomb were to take place, people should not be under the immediate impression that this is what islam teaches, the example and actions of muslims should already be such that non-muslims are sure of the true teachings of Islam. No rally was going to do this