I've been having a big discussion with my non-Muslim parents about why music isn't allowed, and since I'm not very good at debates, I don't have very good answers. They keep telling me that music hasn't done them any harm, and that music makes you happy. I've tried comparing the affects of music to illegal drugs, but they keep asking me what harm having something to make you feel a certain way does. They also keep accusing me of being autistic, because of the apparent 'rules are rules' atitude they think I have, and they are worried about me becoming an extremist or just hiding away from society to get away from doing haram things. Please answer me soon, because I need answers before I go on a bike ride.
Please don't close this because it's a music topic, I really need answers. If I don't have any, they'll just think it's a stupid prohibition.
I've been having a big discussion with my non-Muslim parents about why music isn't allowed, and since I'm not very good at debates, I don't have very good answers. They keep telling me that music hasn't done them any harm, and that music makes you happy. I've tried comparing the affects of music to illegal drugs, but they keep asking me what harm having something to make you feel a certain way does. They also keep accusing me of being autistic, because of the apparent 'rules are rules' atitude they think I have, and they are worried about me becoming an extremist or just hiding away from society to get away from doing haram things. Please answer me soon, because I need answers before I go on a bike ride.
Please don't close this because it's a music topic, I really need answers. If I don't have any, they'll just think it's a stupid prohibition.
Please answer soon, I really need your help!
sorry lol didnt hav time to read all those above posts.. thought i'd plug an input tho.
1. Nevermind what they think.
2. Not all music might have unislamic words, but most of it does. One neat thing about Islam is that it cuts of all ways to haram... Most people who get hooked onto techno eventually get hooked onto the songs as well.
3. Music is awesome at driving you into fantasy. Islam doesn't want you to live on fantasy and out of reality, it wants you to stick to reality and not get carried away by emotions.
4. The Hadith clearly says its haram and one day it will be regarded as halal (along with alchohol and fornication), no need for rationalism or philosophisism.
The first poster should have seen the video on brother Ahmeds page.
See this is exactly what the video speaks about, but in the context of debating women's rights.
With most issues if you debate little matters like these because most people's view point changes alot they will jus state something then state something else.
But if you say to your parents, I believe it because G-d prophibited it, then you can open a door to introducing them to islam which is the greater dawa, for example:
Marge and Homer : Yo dude why you not listening to Music mannn..
Bart: Cos my religion says it has bad effects..
Marge and Homer: Oh what effects are those..
And the arguement goes off away from the message of G-d
But look at what smart Lisa would say,
Marge and Homer : Yo dude why you not listening to Music mannn..
Lisa: Because G-d prohibited it..
Marge and Homer: Hmmm, He did? Do you just obey Him?
Lisa: well once you find the straight path it is only logical you obey your Creator for dont you think the Creator knows better than His creation?
Marge and Homer: Hmm, I guess He does, but how do you know your on the straight path?
Lisa: Well......it is a long story..
Homer: runs to get donoughts..
Lisa: *tells the story* dawa given.
And so the dawa is given and the attention is diverted from the problem of listening to music to a talk about why Islam is the right path.
The path is long but I hope we meet,
After the grave and the Day, in paradise in bliss upon a reclined seat.
A traveler traveling - travelled from shirk to tawheed,
If I'm remembered for anything - let it be the Mercy I seek.
Isa Abdullah.. honestly.. whatever.. lol just be nice to your parents and tell them that our life is a test.. and Allah set the rules, and the rules can be found in quran and hadith.. and that's all you need to do. (And be really sweet and polite about it)
ps: lol bro zubair ur the best hehe, jazaks 4 that.
Last edited by lolwatever; 06-25-2006 at 12:26 PM.
Let me get this straight. So you agree that Allah has outlawed Music, but then you say there is no evidence against it?
I said there was no worldly reason to believe that all music is bad.
I really couldn't care less if you were part of an orchestra. To me, the laws of Allah are sacred. And I accept them without question. That is part of Iman.
But since you neither believe in Islam, or the existence of God, I suppose this of little concern to you.
Essentially, yes, although of course you're free to believe whatever you like. My point is simply that you have no worldly reason for not listening to music. You abstain from it simply because you believe Allah has told you to do so. Correct?
Lolwatever even confirms this by saying: "no need for rationalism". If you want to live your life ignoring rationality then that is up to you, but just think of how many things we would lack without it.
By the way, IsaAbdullah, Lisa Simpson would blatantly never give up music! She's a keen sax player, remember?
I do see reasons for abstaining from Music. It distarcts you from more important things. And personally, I don't know how people can sing and dance, whilst they knew the reality of life.
Allah is Al 'Aleem, the All-Knowing.
-Peace
Once again, no one ever said anything about music being bad. Islam does NOT say music is bad for you. God has just banned us from listening to music as a mere test. In the Akhira (hereafter) we will be allowed to listen to all kinds of beautiful music and singing.
We're not trying to convince you that music is bad for the soul. In fact, it probably is good for you in some ways. That doesn't mean it isn't prohbitied by God as a means of testing the ones he loves- if they pass the test, Lo! They get the music forever in the herafter. If they fail the test, well then they don't get to listen to the music in the hereafter.
Do you want a pleasureable thing for 40 years or 4,000 years?
i gotta disagree akh, there are reasons why Music is banned from an emperical point of view.
I guess that's not the point, the piont is whether its banned or not... but Music is one of those things that doesnt keep ur mind set straight. Drives u into lala land.
I do see reasons for abstaining from Music. It distarcts you from more important things. And personally, I don't know how people can sing and dance, whilst they knew the reality of life.
Allah is Al 'Aleem, the All-Knowing.
-Peace
That's not a worldly reason though, is it? It's a religious one.
format_quote Originally Posted by lolwatever
i gotta disagree akh, there are reasons why Music is banned from an emperical point of view.
By the way, IsaAbdullah, Lisa Simpson would blatantly never give up music! She's a keen sax player, remember?
Perhaps- but thats Lisa the non-muslim. If she were to discover Islam, she might find that it is the religion of Truth and accept that god has forbidden it, which is what having faith is about.
That's not a worldly reason though, is it? It's a religious one.
Peace
it twists your emotions, emotional overdose, drives you into hyper reality that doesnt exist.. all that srota thing
one thing leads to another, if you're a techno/RnB sorta person, it's rare to find someone who'd live on 20 second music loops without moving onto your eminem and 50 cent scum eventually.
as if an athiest would care i guess.
Last edited by lolwatever; 06-25-2006 at 12:46 PM.
Muhammad sallAllahu aleyhi wa salam said'' replace doubtfullness with what you have a certainty of '' or something like that.... any way just listen to quran instead of music basically
you answer for yourself.. music is banned, does the movie you refer to contain music.. if yes.. then..?
Am I a lesser life form or something?
Peace
It's not like you've got anything to fear.. assuming you're rational, what difference would it make to you if you could make pocket money from selling crack cocaine even tho it's illegal? likewise who caers if music makes ur emotions go wild or not..
Yeh i know you're going to say you're a very moral person with moral code, but since your rational, it's irrational for someoen who doesn't believe in the hereafter or some eventual judgement to stick to any moral code if it's not in their personal interest...
Thanks for the replies people! I don't think that my parents will ever understand why music isn't allowed though, unless they become Muslims, which isn't likely.
you answer for yourself.. music is banned, does the movie you refer to contain music.. if yes.. then..?
Not all movies contain music, but they do all manipulate your emotions to some degree. They also present you with an alternate reality, or at the very least a variation of the reality we know. By your reasoning I would have thought that all movies would be banned, whether they contained music or not.
It's not like you've got anything to fear.. assuming you're rational, what difference would it make to you if you could make pocket money from selling crack cocaine even tho it's illegal? likewise who caers if music makes ur emotions go wild or not..
Yeh i know you're going to say you're a very moral person with moral code, but since your rational, it's irrational for someoen who doesn't believe in the hereafter or some eventual judgement to stick to any moral code if it's not in their personal interest...
Ah, the old "atheists have no reason to be moral" argument. Is fear of hellfire really the only thing preventing you from going out and murdering people?
Thanks for the replies people! I don't think that my parents will ever understand why music isn't allowed though, unless they become Muslims, which isn't likely.
bro be optimistic no one ever could iamgine that Umar Ibn Khattab the greatest enemy and torturer fo Muslims would one day become a Muslim and the Khalifah!
al the best bro, ull be fine, our duas are with you
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