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    بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

    السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته

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    Misconception : Islam was spread by the sword
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    In the Name of Allah, the Most Merciful, the Bestower of Mercy

    Many non-Muslims, when they think about Islam, picture religious fanatics on camels with a sword in one hand and a Qur'an in the other. This myth, which was made popular in Europe during the Crusades, is totally baseless. First of all, the Holy Qur'an clearly says "Let there be no compulsion in religion". In addition to this, Islam teaches that a person's faith must be pure and sincere, so it is certainly not something that can be forced on someone. In debunking the myth that Islam was "spread by the sword", the (non-Muslim) historian De Lacy O' Leary wrote: "History makes it clear, however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians have ever accepted." (Islam at the Crossroads, London, 1923, p. 8.). It should also be known that Muslims ruled Spain for roughly 800 years. During this time, and up to when they were finally forced out, the non-Muslims there were alive and flourishing. Additionally, Christian and Jewish minorities have survived in the Muslim lands of the Middle East for centuries. Countries such as Egypt, Morocco, Palestine, Lebanon, Syria and Jordan all have Christian and/or Jewish populations.

    If Islam taught that all people are supposed to be killed or forced to become Muslims, how did all of these non-Muslims survive for so long in the middle of the Islamic Empire? Additionally, if one considers the small number of Muslims who initially spread Islam from Spain and Morocco in the West to India and China in the East, one would realize that they were far too few to force people to be members of a religion against their will. Additionally, the great empire and civilization established by the Muslims had great staying power -- its citizens were proud to be part of it. The spread of Islam stands in contrast to the actions of the followers of Christianity, who since the time of the Emperor Constantine have made liberal use of the sword - often basing their conduct on Biblical verses. This was especially true of the colonization of South America and Africa, where native peoples were systematically wiped-out or forced to convert. It is also interesting to note that when the Mongols invaded and conquered large portions of the Islamic Empire, instead of destroying the religion, they adopted it. This is a unique occurrence in history - the conquerors adopting the religion of the conquered! Since they were the victors, they certainly could not have been forced to become Muslims! Ask any of the over one billion Muslims alive in the world today whether they were forced! The largest Muslim country in the world today is Indonesia --- and there were never any battles fought there! So where was the sword? How could someone be forced to adhere to a spiritually rewarding and demanding religion like Islam?
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    Re: Misconception : Islam was spread by the sword

    Allah saied :

    Let there be no compulsion in religion: .....( 2:256)

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    Also Allah saied in: surat Al-Kafiroun

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    In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

    [1] Say: O ye that reject Faith!

    [2] I worship not that which ye worship,

    [3] Nor will ye worship that which I worship.

    [4] And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship,

    [5] Nor will ye worship that which I worship.

    [6] To you be your Way, and to me mine
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    Re: Misconception : Islam was spread by the sword

    Brother, we have only one true Islamic country today thats Saudi Arabia. One cant ignore this fact. So other regiems automatically become kufr/munafiq ones.

    Can u plz tell me that why its so that the only Islamic country in the world has 100% of its population of Muslims? What happened to others like jews, sebians, and christians who were a pleanty in S. Arabia during the time of the holy prophet?

    Doesnt it proves that Islam was spread by sword in some if not all places?

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    Re: Misconception : Islam was spread by the sword

    format_quote Originally Posted by justahumane View Post
    Doesnt it proves that Islam was spread by sword in some if not all places?

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    i know that you were not addressing me in this question but I would like to say that you must look to the Quran for answers and not just the common beliefs. That doesn't in any way prove that Islam was spread by the sword.

    In my opinion there's no such thing as a Islamic country or a Christian country or a Jewish country or a Hindu country or whatever. It's the people in the country that follow a religion, not the country itself. And if the majority in Saudi Arabia are Muslims and they didn't used to be mainly Muslims thats because Islam was the last religion that was revealed and when it was out in the open people started realizing that this religion is more complete than Christianity and Judaism, which by the way were previous versions of Islam, but not anymore.
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    Re: Misconception : Islam was spread by the sword

    format_quote Originally Posted by justahumane View Post
    Brother, we have only one true Islamic country today thats Saudi Arabia. One cant ignore this fact.
    There is NO true Islamic state today. Period.
    So other regiems automatically become kufr/munafiq ones.
    No; they may be making mistakes, they may be having difficulties in implementing the laws completely or accurately, but none of that expels them from the fold of Islam.
    Doesnt it proves that Islam was spread by sword in some if not all places?
    No; proof of conversion is not proof of violent conversion. You need to give some explicit historical instances to prove the latter.

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    Re: Misconception : Islam was spread by the sword

    format_quote Originally Posted by justahumane View Post
    Brother, we have only one true Islamic country today thats Saudi Arabia. One cant ignore this fact. So other regiems automatically become kufr/munafiq ones.

    Can u plz tell me that why its so that the only Islamic country in the world has 100% of its population of Muslims? What happened to others like jews, sebians, and christians who were a pleanty in S. Arabia during the time of the holy prophet?

    Doesnt it proves that Islam was spread by sword in some if not all places?

    thanks
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    Re: Misconception : Islam was spread by the sword

    format_quote Originally Posted by Ansar Al-'Adl View Post
    There is NO true Islamic state today. Period.

    No; they may be making mistakes, they may be having difficulties in implementing the laws completely or accurately, but none of that expels them from the fold of Islam.

    No; proof of conversion is not proof of violent conversion. You need to give some explicit historical instances to prove the latter.

    Peace.
    Pleasure being in discussion with U once again brother Ansar, .

    May be no true Islamic state, but the only state which seems dedicated towards Islam is one and only Saudi Arabia. In my humble views, U may differ.

    Brother making mistake is another thing, having difficulties in implementation is yet another thing, but shamelessly devouring haram things and that too lawfully is completely different thing. I again say, ur affinity towards Ummah may be stopping U from raising fingers on them. But I dont have any such obligation therefore I must not hesitate in speaking what I feel is truth. Therefore any state ALLOWING ITS CITIZENS TO EARN DIRTY MONEY OF INTEREST is a kufr state in my views, mine own included.

    Brother, I m not in a position of bringing any explicit historical proof right now, so I wont be arguing with U on this issue. But I firmly doubt that all 100% who were so hostile towards muslims during the times of the holy prophet can embrass Islam en masse. I can digest that majority of them realized the truth of Islam and converted, but all.............a bit hard to even swallow. .

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    Re: Misconception : Islam was spread by the sword

    format_quote Originally Posted by *noor View Post
    i know that you were not addressing me in this question but I would like to say that you must look to the Quran for answers and not just the common beliefs. That doesn't in any way prove that Islam was spread by the sword.

    In my opinion there's no such thing as a Islamic country or a Christian country or a Jewish country or a Hindu country or whatever. It's the people in the country that follow a religion, not the country itself. And if the majority in Saudi Arabia are Muslims and they didn't used to be mainly Muslims thats because Islam was the last religion that was revealed and when it was out in the open people started realizing that this religion is more complete than Christianity and Judaism, which by the way were previous versions of Islam, but not anymore.
    Sister the issue was forced conversion, and I dont think that holy quran can answer whether forced conversions happened or not.

    U can further argue citing no compulsion in religion verse, than I must say that muslims have not proven themselves to be obidient of the ALLAH's commands so far, than its not a big deal that the ppls who can massacre their own fellow muslims, can get some forced conversions happen. I hope I m able to make my point clear to U.

    Ur opinion about countries being christian or islamic noted. But U have to go back to ur own sources and learn whether there is something like Islamic state or not. I dont doubt that ppls of Saudi Arabia converted in masses. But can 100% conversion take place anywhere is a question which raise ample of doubts. And if yes than why this miracle happened in Saudi Arab only. another fishy question, isnt it?

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    Re: Misconception : Islam was spread by the sword

    well if u look at the history arabia didn't give in straightaway did it? it was after years when the time of the prophet (saw) was coming to an end that finally they realised the truth and accepted him
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    Re: Misconception : Islam was spread by the sword

    Hi justahumane
    format_quote Originally Posted by justahumane View Post
    May be no true Islamic state, but the only state which seems dedicated towards Islam is one and only Saudi Arabia.
    Saudi Arabia has its good points but it also has many flaws and problems.
    Brother making mistake is another thing, having difficulties in implementation is yet another thing, but shamelessly devouring haram things and that too lawfully is completely different thing. I again say, ur affinity towards Ummah may be stopping U from raising fingers on them. But I dont have any such obligation therefore I must not hesitate in speaking what I feel is truth. Therefore any state ALLOWING ITS CITIZENS TO EARN DIRTY MONEY OF INTEREST is a kufr state in my views, mine own included.
    No, they may be commiting an act of sin, or even disbelief, but it does not render them disbelievers. Consider the fact that the people who use the exact same logic as you are the Khawarij who commit bombings and kill innocent civilians - they are the ones who claim that all the muslim governments today are kuffar.
    I can digest that majority of them realized the truth of Islam and converted, but all.............a bit hard to even swallow. .
    Not all of them converted to Islam then. There were many non-muslim citizens living under the Islamic state. But given the influence of Islam on such communities over 1 and a half millenia, most of them also would have converted. Nevertheless there are still communities of non-muslims living in arabia today.

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    Re: Misconception : Islam was spread by the sword

    I was going to pose the question which islamicfajr answered 2 weeks before I found this forum.

    My faith (Christianity) teaches against forced conversion, even though forced conversion has been practiced in times past.

    I am reminded that in the late 12th century, Pope Urban III sent many a crusader to Jerusalem telling them "To kill an infidel (non-Christian) is not murder, it is the path to Heaven".

    1209, Pope “Innocent” III ordered the Albigensian Crusade, to purge southern France of the Cathari heretics. The Catholic faithful in Beziers refused to surrender the Catharis living in their village. The crusaders took the village. When Arnaud-Armaury, the Abbot of Citeaux, and "spiritual advisor" to the Crusade was asked by the crusaders whom to kill (since one looked like another) he replied "Kill them all. God will know his own."

    Not long afterward, Christianity was enforced by the "Inquisition"

    This was not taught in my Bible, yet it was practiced by the organized "Christian Church".

    I have little doubt that Islam has not been used to further the agendas of certain ambitious leaders any more than has Christianity.

    I also believe that had "Organized Christianity" practiced in truth what the Bible teaches, we would not see this 21st century Crusade in which the "West" seems to be engaged today.

    Our similarities (Christianity and Islam) are greater than our differences.

    The whole thing grieves me profoundly.
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