Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahab - Seeking clarification (OP)
Asalam Alaikum.
Before we start... i want to make one thing clear.
I DO NOT want this thread to turn into a SUFI VS SALAFI warzone, ok?
So if anyone wishs to have a battle, start another thread.
And also, i don't want anyone to post any links to any Extreme SUFI or Extreme SALAF ( Such as Alla####kbar.net ) in this thread.
Alrite, with that off my chest, lets get back to the topic..
..Just today, i was crusing through another forum and i read something which made me wonder "...Hmmm.... Maybe i/we were wrong all along,.. maybe it is just the saudi government...
Anyway, i'll let you all read it for yourselves, Feel free to post your opinions.
Brother in all honesty (according to my opinion as only Allah knows all facts) - i dont beleive this is so. I used to think the same as you but then the great Mufti of Makkah Sayyid bin Abbas al Maliki al Makki (rahimahu Allah) i saw him put (ra) after the words of Mohammad ibn Abdul Wahab(ra) and say good things about it. I was then confused and it seems to me on more investigation.
The despicable saudi regime and ulema have NOTHING TO DO with the original teachings of Mohammad bin abdul Wahab(rahumahu Allah). If he was here now he would be on earth and they would be on Pluto. Read some of his works, from siding with the kuffar (he disallowed this) - to his praise of Sufism (and his son also, i beleive he was only against the extreme rafidite sufism of Shia Iran,this is bolsstered by the fact that he spent years in Isfahan/Iran - so it must be true), and also the works of the 4 madhabs. Mohammad ibn Abdul Wahab(ra) followed Hanbali fiqh AND REQUIRED HIS SUBJECTS TO DO SO.
man that is complete opposite of current saudi doctrine, which proves my point that they have nothing to do with him.
See i told you, complex subject - and Allah knows best.
Please, whatever you post, post it only if you know that it is a fact. Otherwise, please, try not to post any rubbish smile.gif I want opinions which are based on Facts..
Wasalaam
-Zubair
Dont Mistake My Harshness For Strength And Neither Mistake My Kindness For Weakness.
Another brother (On another forum) has been more help then THIS entire thread put together...
I think you should read the 2nd link I gave on tasawwuf, Ibn Taimiyyah explains how it was practiced amongst the Sahabah but it eventually evolved into what is today-a deviation of the Sunnah.
May I ask you why u are so offended if you are not a sufi?
Re: Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahab - Seeking clarification
format_quote Originally Posted by SirZubair
Care to give me some examples, Banta Claus?
Sure, this post by brother Abuz Zubair from IslamicAwakening explains it better than I would.
Tasawwuf is a very general term and to this day remains undefined which has caused a lot of confusion. Due to its generality and vagueness the term has been outright rejected by the Salafis, and precisely due to its generality and vagueness, the Sufis are able to argue for its legitimacy.
[snip]
There also arose a different strand in Tasawwuf which was very philosophical in its approach. This tasawwuf was represented by people like al-Hallaj and Ibn ‘Arabi who philosophised tawassuf incorporating therein pantheism, the belief that the entire existence in reality is one existence, and that is the reality of Tawhid. It is this type of Tasawwuf which became widespread by the time of Ibn Taymiyya. Hence, not only Ibn Taymiyya but many other scholars from the four schools geared their efforts against this philosophical tasawwuf.
[snip]
Sh Muhammad b. ‘Abd al-Wahhab himself, along with his followers weren’t against tasawwuf as such. What they were against was the philosophical tasawwuf spearheaded by Ibn ‘Arabi and Ibn Farid.
The point is, since we know that tasawwuf is undefined, the modern day Sufis cannot use this term to legitimise their version of tasawwuf, which is firmly rooted in Shirk and bid’a of the very early pagans of Quraysh.
Re: Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahab - Seeking clarification
format_quote Originally Posted by tasmiyah_B
[COLOR=Blue]I fInk ZuBz (SirZubair) iS A sUfI
No i am not.
format_quote Originally Posted by tasmiyah_B
[COLOR=Blue]wHoSe bAnTa cLaUs,
Banta Claus knows who he is Sorry, i am not allowed to point it out.. kay:
format_quote Originally Posted by IbnAbdulHakim
tasawwuf is one headache subject, best left for another thread, or better yet MSN, speakin of which.. zubair
Insha'allah you'll see me on there one of these days I try not to use Msn too often. Far too many people want to talk to me
format_quote Originally Posted by Hijrah
I think you should read the 2nd link I gave on tasawwuf, Ibn Taimiyyah explains how it was practiced amongst the Sahabah but it eventually evolved into what is today-a deviation of the Sunnah.
Akhi, could you post the Link again? The link you posted doesn't seem to work. Either that, or i am looking at the wrong link.
As for how it is practised these days, you can't say All sufis deviate. Ofcourse, there are some that do.
islam doesn't believe in collective guilt.
I could always say "All salafis are extremists who love blowing up buildings" but ofcourse i won't say that, simply because i don't think it is fair on the Majority.
format_quote Originally Posted by Hijrah
May I ask you why u are so offended if you are not a sufi?
Even if you called a Shia a non-muslim, i would find that offensive.
Like i said, their aqeedah lies with Allah (swt), none of us has the rights to say who is a Muslim and who Isn't.
format_quote Originally Posted by Far7an
Sure, this post by brother Abuz Zubair from IslamicAwakening explains it better than I would.
It was a long post, I pasted the relevant parts.
Akhi, could you possibly provide me with a Source? PM me. Barak allah feek.
Anyway, People, please, stop going off topic. I was seeking Abdul Wahab's view, not your views on Sufism. If i was seeking your views, i would have said so in my original post.
Muhammed, you are right, you might as well Shut this thread. It won't be going anywhere anytime soon.
Kheir, it was worth a go i suppose.
Wa'salaam
-Zubair
Dont Mistake My Harshness For Strength And Neither Mistake My Kindness For Weakness.
Re: Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahab - Seeking clarification
SubhanAllah the matters we are discussing are extreemely sensitive. They require deep insight and knowledge of the matters of Aqeedah and Fiqh. As far as what I have heard about Imam Abdul Wahhab, he was one of the great reformers who brought people back to Tauheed and the proper Sunnah of RasoolAllah, Sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam. He was a student of the Hambali fiqh Alhamdulillah and just like any other scholar would do, he spoke against the deviated Sufis of that time. The term "Sufism" is one of the most misunderstood terms today. The true Sufis were always on the straight path of the Sunnah of RasoolAllah,Sallallahu 'Alayhi wa sallam. These were the people who were really close to the Sharia', the Sunnah and hence to Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'la. So we should never speak ill of them. Although we find a lot of messed up stuff against the Sunnah and Sharia' being practiced by "Sufis", it does not give us the right to generalize them and accuse them of something that they never did.
Much of this misunderstanding is also due to lack of knowledge about what is Bida'a and what is not. Bida'a does not necessarily mean something that did not exist at the time of the Prophet Sallallahu 'Alayhi wa Sallam and is being practiced today. Scholars have written hundreds and thousands of ooks just defining what is Bida'a and what is not. Infact there are so many matters that have a very thin line between what is Bida'a and what is permissible.
So it is extreemely important to understand that it is not that easy to define what is Bida'a in one sentence.
As Allah says in the Qur'an “then ask those who possess the Message (Ahl adh-Dhikr) if you do not know.” (Soorah 21:7 and 16:43)
For example -Sheikh Ibn Taymiyyah (Rahimaullah) in his book of Fatawa writes that - If a person is sick, then write the verses of the Qur'an or Du'aa on a plate and pour water into into it and the drink that water for Shif'a.
According to the definition that some people give - It should be the biggest Bid'a ever. SubhanAllah but is not a Bida'a. The words of Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'laa are used for Shifa'a . The Prophet Sallallahu 'Alayhi wa sallam used to read Qur'an and blow on kids for Shifa'a through the Qur'an. Sheikh Ibn Taymiyyah was also a student of the Hambali school. Alhamdulillah.
The people who cry about freedom are slaves to their own desires. I am a slave of my Exalted and Merciful Rabb, Allah, Subhanahu wa Ta'ala. Alhamdulillah
Hey there! Looks like you're enjoying the discussion, but you're not signed up for an account.
When you create an account, we remember exactly what you've read, so you always come right back where you left off. You also get notifications, here and via email, whenever new posts are made. And you can like posts and share your thoughts. Sign Up
Sorry, i am not allowed to point it out.. 
kay: 
I try not to use Msn too often. Far too many people want to talk to me 
Hide
Looks like you're enjoying the discussion, but you're not signed up for an account.
Bookmarks