On another forum I go on occasionally a Christian on there stated that the Qur'an does not say the bible has been corrupted, and thus no reason for Islam. Can some one give me information as to where it is stated the Bible has been corrupted. Thank you
.... In the Jewish and Christian or any other scripture, there are some parts that talk about moral behavior and wisdom, or call people to work for perfection and cooperation with others.
Such passages we accept and benefit from and share with others as a common heritage and a source of comfort and solace.
Islam commands Muslims to make use of anything that helps them attain a better life and not to feel hesitant to accept wisdom from other people.
When Muslim scholars quote or refer to the Jewish or Christian scriptures, they are trying to find similarities or common grounds between nations in order to find ways of cooperation and coexistence."
"How can you say we (the Jews) are wise and the law of the Lord is with us, when in fact the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie?"
Jeremiah 8:8 (Revised Standard Version)
"And because of their (the Jews) breaking their covenant, We have cursed them and made hard their hearts. They change words from their places and have abandoned a good part of the message that was sent to them. And you will not cease to discover deceit in them, except a few of them.
But forgive them and overlook (their misdeed). Verily! Allah loves the kindly."
I agree it would be interesting to see Izak's view. However, I respect his right to decide what is and is not worthy of his time. I do have a question regarding the concept of corruption?
I agree, it is upto the individual to choose, though I havent seen any other 'article' or 'post' as such, so I mean I wouldnt mind a link noone has to waste hours and hours.
format_quote Originally Posted by Grace Seeker
Which is the corruption?
1) To tell the story of Abraham's willingness to sacrifce his son Isaac, but to have a few of the texts which tell this story "disagree" with each other regarding the vowel points or the whether when you translate it into English a word should carry the article "a" vs. the article "the". Is that corruption?
or
2) To tell basically the same story, have every existing copy of that story identical to each other, but tell the story as if it were Ishmael that Abraham was to sacrifice? Is that the corruption?
I think the change from truth to fiction is the bigger corruption.
Obviously we disagree as to which is truth and which is fiction.
Yes, there is a difference in types of corruption, but even the small corruption which can be significant.
The path is long but I hope we meet,
After the grave and the Day, in paradise in bliss upon a reclined seat.
A traveler traveling - travelled from shirk to tawheed,
If I'm remembered for anything - let it be the Mercy I seek.
(Here Dr. Freedman makes numerous quotes from the TALMUD. I will only give a few and I ask you to pardon the language used. It is not mine, but comes directly from this Jewish book.
It is from this veritable "sewer of filth" that so-called Jews are taught and which their leaders have "brainwashed" Christians into believing that the teachings of Christianity come - ED.)
In the Volume SANHEDRIN, 55b - "A maiden three years and a day may be acquired in marriage by coitus (sexual intercourse) and if her deceased husband's brother cohabits with her, she becomes his.
The penalty of adultery may be incurred through her; if she defiles him with whom she has connection, so that he in turn defiles that upon which he lies. As a garment which has been laid upon by a person afflicted with gonorrhea."
ZOHAR (II, Mb) - "Christian birth rate must be diminished materially."
Christ will never be proud to reject to be a slave to God .....holy Quran, chapter Women , 4: 172
(Here Dr. Freedman makes numerous quotes from the TALMUD. I will only give a few and I ask you to pardon the language used. It is not mine, but comes directly from this Jewish book.
It is from this veritable "sewer of filth" that so-called Jews are taught and which their leaders have "brainwashed" Christians into believing that the teachings of Christianity come - ED.)
In the Volume SANHEDRIN, 55b - "A maiden three years and a day may be acquired in marriage by coitus (sexual intercourse) and if her deceased husband's brother cohabits with her, she becomes his.
The penalty of adultery may be incurred through her; if she defiles him with whom she has connection, so that he in turn defiles that upon which he lies. As a garment which has been laid upon by a person afflicted with gonorrhea."
ZOHAR (II, Mb) - "Christian birth rate must be diminished materially."
Sister please please do not go off topic, what has the above got to do with if the Bible is curropted? Ask questions about Judaism in in the Judaism thread in the comperative religion section please
The path is long but I hope we meet,
After the grave and the Day, in paradise in bliss upon a reclined seat.
A traveler traveling - travelled from shirk to tawheed,
If I'm remembered for anything - let it be the Mercy I seek.
Sister please please do not go off topic, what has the above got to do with if the Bible is curropted? Ask questions about Judaism in in the Judaism thread in the comperative religion section please
yap , this thought came in to my mind, too. As Christians believe in Old Testament & respect Jews as Chosen people & believe that it's their religious duty to serve Jews , so i decided it might not be off-topic
but still it is , ok , Insha Allah i will start a new thread on Jewish holy books.
Christ will never be proud to reject to be a slave to God .....holy Quran, chapter Women , 4: 172
1. Duet 13:13-17 Certain men....saying , Let us go and serve other gods.....shalt surely smite the inhabitansts of the city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly......and the cattle ''
---regarding Duet , do Jews & Christians need to kill all citizens including kids ? Why kill cattle ?????
Again it was G-d's will that people who commited such sins and descrations of his name were killed. Shall I brin up instances where the evils of people made it so your prophet Mohammod killed?
3. Ismail was First born son of Prophet Abraham (p). So, Why Jews believe Palestine is only for them & Muslims have no right
That was not G-d's plan for him. It was G-d's will that he was sent away to inhabbit another land, which is why Muslims in my belief are from the Arabian area.
Jews have no right to Mecca, Arabia or any part of Ishmael's land, On the other hand Isaac had his land as well.
Again it was G-d's will that people who commited such sins and descrations of his name were killed. Shall I brin up instances where the evils of people made it so your prophet Mohammod killed?
That was not G-d's plan for him. It was G-d's will that he was sent away to inhabbit another land, which is why Muslims in my belief are from the Arabian area.
Jews have no right to Mecca, Arabia or any part of Ishmael's land, On the other hand Isaac had his land as well.
U offered us to answer about ur holy books , now u r angry when i asked few questions ...... why ?
I wanted to know if Jews & Christians need to kill kids , too ? And why kill cattles ? Why u found it so upsetting ? Why not just explain what does the verse mean ? Ask us to explain Quranic verses , we would love to do that
God blessed ' seeds' of Abraham (p) ......pl.tell me , who is the First born son of Abraham (p) ?
Christ will never be proud to reject to be a slave to God .....holy Quran, chapter Women , 4: 172
Again it was G-d's will that people who commited such sins and descrations of his name were killed. Shall I brin up instances where the evils of people made it so your prophet Mohammod killed?
Would be interesting to see where Muhammad, peace be upon him, said to kill children and animals, utterly destroy a place, kill anything breathing, kill boys who were captive, show no mercy and so forth.
Eesa,
The path is long but I hope we meet,
After the grave and the Day, in paradise in bliss upon a reclined seat.
A traveler traveling - travelled from shirk to tawheed,
If I'm remembered for anything - let it be the Mercy I seek.
Would be interesting to see where Muhammad, peace be upon him, said to kill children and animals, utterly destroy a place, kill anything breathing, kill boys who were captive, show no mercy and so forth.
Eesa,
Muhammad didn't say it. Jesus didn't say it. Moses didn't say it. Yahweh said it.
Who among the first three actually had more people killed?
I wanted to know if Jews & Christians need to kill kids , too ?
Though Christian history would not seem to bear out that Christians have always paid attention, Jesus encouraged his followers not to live by the sword.
God blessed ' seeds' of Abraham (p) ......pl.tell me , who is the First born son of Abraham (p) ?
Ishmael. So, what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
Would be interesting to see where Muhammad, peace be upon him, said to kill children and animals, utterly destroy a place, kill anything breathing, kill boys who were captive, show no mercy and so forth.
Eesa,
The Banu Qurayza (Arabic بنو قريظة; alternate spellings include Quraiza, Qurayzah, Quraytha, and the archaic Koreiza) were a Jewish tribe who lived in northern Arabia during the 7th century, at the oasis of Yathrib (now known as Medina). Nearly all of the tribe's men, apart from a few who converted to Islam, were taken prisoner and then killed at Muhammad's command in 627 CE, following a siege mounted by Muslim inhabitants of Medina. The Muslims alleged that the Banu Qurayza had agreed to aid their Meccan enemies in their attack on Medina, which the Muslims had just repulsed in the Battle of the Trench.
U offered us to answer about ur holy books , now u r angry when i asked few questions ...... why ?
I wanted to know if Jews & Christians need to kill kids , too ? And why kill cattles ? Why u found it so upsetting ? Why not just explain what does the verse mean ? Ask us to explain Quranic verses , we would love to do that
I think your confused. When G-d wills for something to happen we follow his command.
Maybe you should read ravs post. Was it nessesary to kill everyone including children who did not convert because the tribe helped an enemy? That is what Mohammod ordered.
When G-d says, he is tired of the rape, killing and lawlessness on his earth and wants to rid this terrible civilization he gets his way, who are humsn to argue? After all, he flooded the earth when it was lawless to.
I think your confused. When G-d wills for something to happen we follow his command.
Maybe you should read ravs post. Was it nessesary to kill everyone including children who did not convert because the tribe helped an enemy? That is what Mohammod ordered.
When G-d says, he is tired of the rape, killing and lawlessness on his earth and wants to rid this terrible civilization he gets his way, who are humsn to argue? After all, he flooded the earth when it was lawless to.
Excuse me? Muhammad(saw) did not order killing of innocents, let alone children.
*Without Allah, without Islam, life would be meaningless. If I've ever learned patience, it's because of this. Alhamdulillah...*
What happend to the Banu Qurayza then? Did an earthquake swallow them up? The only source from the time says they were guilty of breaking the truce, and they were massacred, by... of course, I will not mention.
I think your confused. When G-d wills for something to happen we follow his command.
Maybe you should read ravs post. Was it nessesary to kill everyone including children who did not convert because the tribe helped an enemy? That is what Mohammod ordered.
When G-d says, he is tired of the rape, killing and lawlessness on his earth and wants to rid this terrible civilization he gets his way, who are humsn to argue? After all, he flooded the earth when it was lawless to.
Shalom Izak
maybe we should all relax a bit here...
anyway, regading ravs post:
The Banu Qurayza (Arabic بنو قريظة; alternate spellings include Quraiza, Qurayzah, Quraytha, and the archaic Koreiza) were a Jewish tribe who lived in northern Arabia during the 7th century, at the oasis of Yathrib (now known as Medina). Nearly all of the tribe's men, apart from a few who converted to Islam, were taken prisoner and then killed at Muhammad's command in 627 CE, following a siege mounted by Muslim inhabitants of Medina. The Muslims alleged that the Banu Qurayza had agreed to aid their Meccan enemies in their attack on Medina, which the Muslims had just repulsed in the Battle of the Trench.
i've answered this before. even though that tribe abandoned their pact with the Muslims at a crucial time and were really hoping that the follower's of the Messnger of Allah(pbuh) would be annihilated, the Prophet(pbuh) let the Jews pick one OF THEIR OWN ALLIES to decide their fate. it wans't a multiple choice question, THEY picked he guy! they felt he would judge them by their own laws. the Messenger of Allah(pbuh) simply carries out SOMEONE ELSE'S VERDICT! then just the men and 1 woman who killed one of the Muslims.
in Arabia at the time, your word was your bond. you kept your word. THAT tribe of Jews didn't.
i hope this clarifies things abit.
maybe we should start a new thread if there's gonna be a "rumble"!
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