I came across this hadith while browsing the forum:
Bukhari Volume 008, Book 074, Hadith Number 246.
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Narated By Abu Huraira : The Prophet said, "Allah created Adam in his complete shape and form (directly), sixty cubits (about 30 meters) in height. When He created him, He said (to him), "Go and greet that group of angels sitting there, and listen what they will say in reply to you, for that will be your greeting and the greeting of your offspring." Adam (went and) said, 'As-Salamu alaikum (Peace be upon you).' They replied, 'AsSalamu-'Alaika wa Rahmatullah (Peace and Allah's Mercy be on you) So they increased 'Wa Rahmatullah' The Prophet added 'So whoever will enter Paradise, will be of the shape and form of Adam. Since then the creation of Adam's (offspring) (i.e. stature of human beings is being diminished continuously) to the present time."
Is that a reference to some kind of human evolution in the last sentence there?
Is that a part of Islamic belief?
Thanks in advance for any light anyone can shed on this.
Darwin had written "If my theory be true, numberless intermediate varieties… must assuredly have existed". However evolutionists, who have been doing excavations all over the world, have been unable to uncover even a single intermediate form. Living species emerge very distinctly in the fossil record. There is no trace of the "intermediate forms" that were expected to link these species.
The theory of evolution holds that living beings differentiated from each other over a very long period of time with linked, gradual modifications. If this theory were true, then numerous "intermediary species" should have lived in history linking different living species. For instance, if birds had indeed evolved from reptiles, then billions of half-bird/half-reptiles should have lived in history. Darwin knew that the fossil record ought to be full of these "intermediate transitory forms". Yet he was also well aware that no transitional form fossils were available. That was why he asked these troubled questions in his book The Origin of Species: "…Why, if species have descended from other species by fine gradations, do we not everywhere see innumerable transitional forms? But, as by this theory innumerable transitional forms must have existed, why do we not find them embedded in countless numbers in the crust of the earth?... " Despite their best efforts, evolutionists have not been able to find even a single intermediate form in the 140 years that have passed since Darwin. The well-known evolutionist Ager admits this: "The point emerges that if we examine the fossil record in detail, we find–over and over again–not gradual evolution, but the sudden explosion of one group at the expense of another." The sudden origination of living beings on the earth is proof that they were created.
Last edited by Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн; 02-26-2007 at 08:58 PM.
*Without Allah, without Islam, life would be meaningless. If I've ever learned patience, it's because of this. Alhamdulillah...*
Have you ever taken a science class, sister? Evolution and Islam are interwined. We see evolution occuring all around us, how can you deny that its existance?
I study biology so yes I have sat lots of science classes. You must know it is obligatory to take science in UK. Evolution and Islam aren't interwined. The evolution theory states that human and chimps have a common ancestor, how does this follow Islam? Islam clearly shows that Adam was the first human to be created. Evolution states that we are all the outcome of a single amoeba through spontenous reactions, how is this not in contradictory to Islam? there is more to evolution than the simple, things have evolved.
Now if you're claiming that Allaah (glorified and exalted be he) has allowed evolution to take place, you'll have to be specific on what you define as evolution because the general frame is not in agreement with Islam. Plants may have evolved as I stated in my previous post, God knows best but as far as Humans and chimps being related there is no basis for this in Islam.
Last edited by Silver Pearl; 02-26-2007 at 08:51 PM.
Quite true Sister Pearl, it does depend on how you interpret evolution. However there is a field of thought that refers to evolution being the result of divine intervention.
With the exception of Man. I do not see any problem with concepts of evolution, but I do see problems with concepts as to how it occurs. There is also some doubt even in fossil records as to if new species ever developed or if what we see are changes within a species.
So to be a little more specific I see no conflict with evolution and Islam as long as the following conditions are met.
It has nothing to do with humans
Any changes in animals or plants were caused by the actions of Allah(swt)
Evolution is a fact of life. If Islam contradicts evolution, then you might as well reject Islam. I find Islam and evolution to go in perfect harmony. You wont find any credible scientist that rejects evolution.
and as you said : "wasn't aware that chimps had evolved into humans. Who claimed they did?"
no one here claims that ,in the opposite i reject that , so we agree
and as my brothers and sisters in islam said : the hadeeth you quoted does not say that islam agrees with the theory of evolution
and that does not mean that humans them self doesn't change and that humans adapts with their surroundings (example of that the immunity system in the human beings and the invention that humans invent)
but its clear to me that the thing that adapts does not evolve into another creature
so i hope we agree
finally i asked you about arabic language because i would have been better for me to speak in arabic .
and as you said live is short indeed so lets spend our times following the right path that Allah created us to follow , Right ?
Evolution is a fact of life. If Islam contradicts evolution, then you might as well reject Islam. I find Islam and evolution to go in perfect harmony. You wont find any credible scientist that rejects evolution.
There seems to be a circle here, either some of us don't understand evolution or we don't know Islam. Please refer to my previous post. I agree with Amu Woodrow on this, however, evolution is not simply evolving of species. If that was the case there would be no need for people to disagree on this, rather everyone would be on the same side. However, that is not the reality of evolution having studied it. Evolution of human plays a vital role, while it is not a major part of evolution it certainly is a vital aspect that if neglected demolishes much of the theory. If you say evolution goes well with Islam you're also saying Adam and a chimpaneze share the same common ancestor. I hope some of you know the implication of this. While I agree with much of evolution, the human aspect of it is in complete juxtaposition to Islam.
Natural selection has many credits and that is without a doubt. It is a tad bit ironic that Hitler twisted this concept to try and remove those in society who were not as able. Also natural selection is of no good now in society, because technology has advanced so much, practically everyone has the chance to breed and give offsprings without being held back (in humans).
I've read a book by Maurice Bucaille years ago about evolution theory in the Koran.... he seems supporting it.... but the evolution theory is a little bit different than Darwinism....
I think the title was "What is the Origin of Man: The Answers of Science and the Holy Scriptures"
Evolution is a fact of life. If Islam contradicts evolution, then you might as well reject Islam. I find Islam and evolution to go in perfect harmony.
I've never heard of belief in evolution theory being intergral part of faith. Theory means it is still disputed and very much doubt is cast thereon. How will Islam stand on something that is doubtful?
I find it sometimes interesting to discuss about evolution theory but where the evolution of man from other considerably degenerate, or eloquently put, primitive form I am not keen to accept based on the Quranic evidence that Man is created directly.
My personal belief is that Man has remained very much the same since the first Human Being (except for the change in height) but that is the technology that has evolved over time.
Evolution via natural selection makes perfect sense. I agree with brother Philospher.
Natural selection implies a species will undergo changes or adaptation to enable it to overcome certain difficulties in order to survive. With Man encroachment into habitat, we see very little or no species have done so to adapt. In contrast, more and more species are becoming instinct, yet we see no effort at adapting.
What about ourselves? Our environment has become more and more dangerous to live in as result to our own pollution, creation of dangerous work & living conditions. Why aren't we experiencing changes to adapt? The only thing I see that is evolving, like I mentioned in previous post, is technology. In addition to that, knowledge and methods to survive harsh conditions. But no physical alterations on our part.
Natural selection implies a species will undergo changes or adaptation to enable it to overcome certain difficulties in order to survive. With Man encroachment into habitat, we see very little or no species have done so to adapt. In contrast, more and more species are becoming instinct, yet we see no effort at adapting.
What about ourselves? Our environment has become more and more dangerous to live in as result to our own pollution, creation of dangerous work & living conditions. Why aren't we experiencing changes to adapt? The only thing I see that is evolving, like I mentioned in previous post, is technology. In addition to that, knowledge and methods to survive harsh conditions. But no physical alterations on our part.
good point masha allah and the other thing is that if everything went through this process then wouldn't species be haywire everywhere? yet we see them in groups like with like
in everything there are signs of Allah's creation and wisdom
"Indeed in the remembrance of Allah do hearts find rest"
Natural selection implies a species will undergo changes or adaptation to enable it to overcome certain difficulties in order to survive. With Man encroachment into habitat, we see very little or no species have done so to adapt. In contrast, more and more species are becoming instinct, yet we see no effort at adapting.
Perhaps you've never heard of the example of the peppered moth?
Perhaps you've never heard of the example of the peppered moth?
Peace
That is often brought up as an example of modern evolution. But to add some fuel to the fire. A significant number of the population had always been "Peppered" they have only become dominant now as the solid white ones are the ones most visible and most likely to be eaten. Both color varieties still exist. If conditions reverse once again will the solid white ones be the dominant color. No overall change in the moth population over all, just a change as to which color variation is the most dominate. No new color popped out of the wood work.
Perhaps you've never heard of the example of the peppered moth?
Peace
How is it that changing color is going to be of any help in terms of adapting to harsh environments? Are you suggesting black people is natural response to human industrial pollution?
Natural selection implies a species will undergo changes or adaptation to enable it to overcome certain difficulties in order to survive. With Man encroachment into habitat, we see very little or no species have done so to adapt. In contrast, more and more species are becoming instinct, yet we see no effort at adapting.
What about ourselves? Our environment has become more and more dangerous to live in as result to our own pollution, creation of dangerous work & living conditions. Why aren't we experiencing changes to adapt? The only thing I see that is evolving, like I mentioned in previous post, is technology. In addition to that, knowledge and methods to survive harsh conditions. But no physical alterations on our part.
We see evolution all around us. Take the example of people who reside in colder areas of the world such as Tibet and Nepal. They live at a high altitude, which means air is thinner there. They have to therefore adapt to get enough oxygen in their blood. A study carried out showed that people in Nepal can actually carry more oxygen in their blood(mutation of the haemoglobin or something i can't quiet remember) and that people in Tibet in general, have slightly larger chest as they have slightly larger lungs so they can carry more oxygen. Without these adaptions they wouldn't be able to live so high up like they do (survival of the fittest)-- changes=evolution. In this way, evolution can be used by creationalists to argue that science and theories like evolution doesn't have to be at odds with religion. In this manner, science answers how whilst religion answers why.
That is often brought up as an example of modern evolution. But to add some fuel to the fire. A significant number of the population had always been "Peppered" they have only become dominant now as the solid white ones are the ones most visible and most likely to be eaten. Both color varieties still exist. If conditions reverse once again will the solid white ones be the dominant color. No overall change in the moth population over all, just a change as to which color variation is the most dominate. No new color popped out of the wood work.
Is it not an example of a species adapting to changes brought about by human encroachment into their habitat?
format_quote Originally Posted by Muslim Knight
How is it that changing color is going to be of any help in terms of adapting to harsh environments? Are you suggesting black people is natural response to human industrial pollution?
You'll have to explain to me how that is connected to the example I've given. I can't see the relevance at all.
That is often brought up as an example of modern evolution. But to add some fuel to the fire. A significant number of the population had always been "Peppered" they have only become dominant now as the solid white ones are the ones most visible and most likely to be eaten. Both color varieties still exist. If conditions reverse once again will the solid white ones be the dominant color. No overall change in the moth population over all, just a change as to which color variation is the most dominate. No new color popped out of the wood work.
Is it not an example of a species adapting to changes brought about by human encroachment into their habitat?
format_quote Originally Posted by Muslim Knight
How is it that changing color is going to be of any help in terms of adapting to harsh environments?
Read about the peppered moth and find out.
Are you suggesting black people is natural response to human industrial pollution?
You'll have to explain to me how that is connected to the example I've given. I can't see the relevance at all.
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