I came across this hadith while browsing the forum:
Bukhari Volume 008, Book 074, Hadith Number 246.
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Narated By Abu Huraira : The Prophet said, "Allah created Adam in his complete shape and form (directly), sixty cubits (about 30 meters) in height. When He created him, He said (to him), "Go and greet that group of angels sitting there, and listen what they will say in reply to you, for that will be your greeting and the greeting of your offspring." Adam (went and) said, 'As-Salamu alaikum (Peace be upon you).' They replied, 'AsSalamu-'Alaika wa Rahmatullah (Peace and Allah's Mercy be on you) So they increased 'Wa Rahmatullah' The Prophet added 'So whoever will enter Paradise, will be of the shape and form of Adam. Since then the creation of Adam's (offspring) (i.e. stature of human beings is being diminished continuously) to the present time."
Is that a reference to some kind of human evolution in the last sentence there?
Is that a part of Islamic belief?
Thanks in advance for any light anyone can shed on this.
Is it not an example of a species adapting to changes brought about by human encroachment into their habitat?
I keep a fishbowl of nickels and dimes to give to the neighborhood kids. each day I go around and tell the kids they can take out any of the coins they want, but are limited to one handful. I do that until the bowl is half empty, then each night I refill the bowl with an equal amount of nickels and dimes. The first week I go around to pre-school kids at the end of the week I have almost all dimes left as the kids have grabbed the larger nickels. The next week I try it with teen agers, now I find the nickels are left but the dimes have become fewer.
The population in the bowl has changed, due to human intervention, but the coins have not changed. Nothing has changed in the moths only the numbers in the 2 populations has shifted.
Evolution is an immutable fact. Creationist objections to evolution have been refuted on numerous occasions. www.talkorigins.org is a good place to read some refutations.
You'll have to explain to me how that is connected to the example I've given. I can't see the relevance at all.
So far you have provided an example of how moth changed color to black as response to encroachment. That's just only it. Color change. If we apply this to the human race, can we say that black people is the result of encroachment by white people, or worse, depredation by stronger, more aggressive carnivorous species preying on human beings? Because that's the only logical analogy I can see in terms of adaptation by color change and not distinct physical alterations.
If the moth care to evolve into more adaptive forms, like growing mechanisms for faster flight, or smaller undetectable forms, these are physical alterations I'm looking for, then I would say that's natural selection.
Compare to this;
reptile >> archeopteryx >> bird
These aren't simply adaptation by color change. We're talking about significant physical alteration. Why isn't this happening now while our environment has grown much more dangerous as to warrants more drastic adaptations?
Some years ago, a group of students made discovery of frogs growing extra pair of legs as result of DDTs. That's it. You've been poisoned and what you do? You grow extra pair of legs. The best thing you could evolve is immunity from DDTs but you had to grow legs. What, this to make you run/swim faster from DDT sources? Sometimes I couldn't help to wonder whether you evolved just to naturally adapt to my kind of humour.
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