are ALL non-muslims abided in HELL...(completely explained here)

format_quote Originally Posted by cali dude

Did Adam and Eve follow Mohammad?

Adam was a prophet of God after he repented for his mistake, and therefore what he was commanded to do - his progeny followed him in that. Therefore they were muslim since they obeyed the Prophet and submitted to Allaah.

format_quote Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah

Adam was a prophet of God after he repented for his mistake, and therefore what he was commanded to do - his progeny followed him in that. Therefore they were muslim since they obeyed the Prophet and submitted to Allaah.

Since Adam was a prophet, he had created a complete religion, then why does it become important to follow Mohammad?

format_quote Originally Posted by AB517

No, thank you for your patients, all of you.

Thanks.

Do I as a Christian fit this description? Do other religions fulfill these requirements?

You have to ask yourself, do you truelly believe in the message of Christ son of Mary (peace be upon him)?

They do blaspheme who say: "Allah is Christ the son of Mary." But said Christ: "O Children of Israel! worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Whoever joins other gods with Allah,- Allah will forbid him the garden, and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help.

They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.

Why turn they not to Allah, and seek His forgiveness? For Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.


Christ the son of Mary was no more than a messenger; many were the messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how Allah doth make His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth!

Say: "Will ye worship, besides Allah, something which hath no power either to harm or benefit you? But Allah,- He it is that heareth and knoweth all things."

Say: "O people of the Book! exceed not in your religion the bounds (of what is proper), trespassing beyond the truth, nor follow the vain desires of people who went wrong in times gone by,- who misled many, and strayed (themselves) from the even way.

Curses were pronounced on those among the Children of Israel who rejected Faith, by the tongue of David and of Jesus the son of Mary: because they disobeyed and persisted in excesses.


[Qur'an The Table Spread 5: 72-78]

I submit to its greatness, I listen to the profits, and I try and do good deeds for all of his creation. Submission is an important piece in Christianity.

Then why not submit to the Creator of the worlds? This is the true message of Jesus son of Mary (peace be upon them.) Never did he tell the people to worship him. Even check in the bible yourself.


"Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your Name, may your will be done on earth as it is in heaven." (Luke 11:2; Matt. 6:9-10)

"I cannot do anything of myself. I judge as I hear and my judgment is honest because I am not seeking my own will but the will of Him Who sent me." (John 5:30)

"No one knows about the Day or Hour, not even the angels in heaven, not the son, but only the Father." (Mark 13:32)

About the only difference I see (so far … I am new) is that I think God will keep talking, showing, and hopefully guiding us so that we may grow into the loving beings he wants us to be. I also believe this is only a small difference, and that the love and good deeds of all enlightened people and those that follow them are the actions that bind us to the likeness of our father.

God has revealed to His final Messenger the love and Mercy;

And remember! your Lord caused to be declared (publicly): "If ye are grateful [by believing and submitting to Allaah], I will add more (favours) unto you; But if ye show ingratitude [and disbelieve], truly My punishment is terrible indeed." [Qur'an 14:7]

Would a loving God condemn a person for such a slight difference?

God is inviting us towards His paradise, and if we submit to Him and obey His final Messenger, then we will be rewarded an endless reward. But those who turn away when the clear message is given to them, why should they be rewarded when they take God's message in jest?

I await my judgment with a childlike anticipation, for I know we all will walk into heaven arm and arm singing the praise’s god, each in their own voice. Our father will welcome us home in the manor that each of his children’s hearts, minds and bodies will embrace like a child embraces their mother.

The Day of Judgement draws near, and man will be questioned about his deeds. Did they obey the Messenger? If not - why not?

We can't take a pick and mix of the messengers but we accept them all, and God's final Messenger was Muhammad (peace be upon him) who confirmed the message of Moses, Jesus, and cleared the misconceptions the people after them had. How about reading the Qur'an to truely understand the message? If you are sincere, God will guide you:


“and ask Allaah of His Bounty. Surely, Allaah is Ever All‑Knower of everything”

[al-Nisa’ 4:32]




Allaah the Almighty said:


“O My slaves, all of you are astray except those whom I guide, so ask Me for guidance, and I will guide you. O My slaves, all of you are hungry except those whom I feed, so ask me for food and I will feed you. O My slaves, all of you are naked except those whom I clothe, so ask Me for clothing and I will clothe you. … O My slaves, if the first of you and the last of you, your humans and your jinn, were to stand on a single plain and ask of Me and I were to give each one what he asked for, that would not cause any loss to Me greater than what is lost when a needle is dipped into the sea.”


Narrated by Muslim (2577).

Am I way off with this?

AB517

If you are sincere, then God will guide you. How many people are they who were sincere and they were guided on the straight path, and how much people ignored the clear proofs when they came to them, and they lost the great reward that Allaah had in store for them.

format_quote Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah

He never created a completely new religion since he was the first human.

What exactly do you mean? He never created a completely new religion because a religion existed already or are you saying that he didn't create a religion that was complete?

format_quote Originally Posted by cali dude

What exactly do you mean? He never created a completely new religion because a religion existed already or are you saying that he didn't create a religion that was complete?

He never created a new religion since the angels already worshipped Allaah, and Islaam is submission - therefore he was fulfilling the purpose he was created for. Since he was the first man, the first religion revealed to mankind is Islaam.

format_quote Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah

He never created a new religion since the angels already worshipped Allaah, and Islaam is submission - therefore he was fulfilling the purpose he was created for. Since he was the first man, the first religion revealed to mankind is Islaam.

Was the religion revealed to Adam same as religion revealed to Mohammad?

By the way, how years ago were Adam and Eve were created?

format_quote Originally Posted by cali dude

Was the religion revealed to Adam same as religion revealed to Mohammad?

The religion was the same - there is none worthy of worship except your Creator, your Sustainer - Allaah, the Lord of all that exists.

However, every prophet who came to his nation may have had different social laws due to the difference of the time-frame, location etc. But the call was the same.

By the way, how years ago were Adam and Eve were created?

I don't know, we havn't been given an exact number since that isn't required for us to realise that Islaam is the truth. Because whether we knew when they were alive or we never, it doesn't really harm or benefit us does it?



Regards.

format_quote Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah

The religion was the same - there is none worthy of worship except your Creator, your Sustainer - Allaah, the Lord of all that exists.

However, every prophet who came to his nation may have had different social laws due to the difference of the time-frame, location etc. But the call was the same.

So what you are saying is that the main thing common in religion revealed to Adam and Mohammad was to submit to God although there could be social differences. Am I correct?

Did both, Mohammad and Adam, preach the same way to submit to God?

Did the social differences make a religion right or wrong?

format_quote Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah

I don't know, we havn't been given an exact number since that isn't required for us to realise that Islaam is the truth. Because whether we knew when they were alive or we never, it doesn't really harm or benefit us does it?

Regards.

It's important to find out the time-frame because apparently there was Hinduism on the other side of the world, which apparently existed even 5000 years ago...

format_quote Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah

All the Prophets of Allaah recieved revelation from Him, and therefore they worshipped Him in the way Allaah prescribed them to worship Him.

Was the way prescribed to Adam the same as the way prescribed to Mohammad?

format_quote Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah

So yeah, there were certain differences for example for the Children of Isra'eel [some of the nation who followed the law of Prophet Moses - the spoils of war were forbidden for them, however they are permitted in this ummah [nation.]] And similarly alcohol wasn't forbidden for some nations, whereas it is forbidden in the ummah of Allaah's final Messenger Muhammad (peace be upon him.)

Does it really make sense to say that they all had the same message of God and yet the message was different?

format_quote Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah

Whatever messenger is sent to his people, these people have to obey the Messenger sent to them. Muhammad (peace be upon him) is Allaah's final Messenger, and therefore anyone who comes after he recieved revelation - then they have to obey him. There is no other option since we can't take a pick and mix of which messenger/prophet we follow. Since that is taking Allaah's message in jest and mockery. Those who mock Allaah's message and messenger and die without submitting and repenting, then they have disbelieved, and the disbelievers will be in the fire, with no helper to abide therein forever.

If there is one way to submit to God, how would it matter which prophet one followed? You are actually following the way to submit to God, not necessarily the prophet. Why should it matter? Why should the way to submit in Islam be any different than any of the other religions before Islam?

format_quote Originally Posted by cali dude

Was the way prescribed to Adam the same as the way prescribed to Mohammad?

Some of the social laws probably differed, like i said previously - due to the different circumstances.

Does it really make sense to say that they all had the same message of God and yet the message was different?

Are you purposelly ignoring what i say? I've mentioned that the social laws differed due to the different circumstances, however Allaah told His Messengers how He wanted to be worshipped - and the call of the Messengers was the same. To shun all false deities and to obey Allaah and the Messenger, the Messenger who had clear proofs and told the people to obey for their own benefit, while the messenger asked for no profit from his people.

If there is one way to submit to God, how would it matter which prophet one followed?

You are actually following the way to submit to God, not necessarily the prophet. Why should it matter? Why should the way to submit in Islam be any different than any of the other religions before Islam?

Because Allaah chose His final messenger to be the One whose law we follow after him, all the previous laws have been distorted as we can see today. And due to that - we can't follow something which has been distorted by the people since the prophets only came to their own people, unlike Allaah's final Messenger.


For example if we take the bible, we see that Jesus son of Mary, peace be upon him is being ordered to:

“Go to the lost sheep of the House of Israel!” Matthew 10:6]


Whereas Muhammad (peace be upon him) is being told:

"Say: 'O mankind! I am sent unto you all, as the Messenger of Allah, to Whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth." (Qur'an 7:158)



You see the difference?



Regards.

I don't care what Islam says, Buddhism says, Sikhism says, Judaism says.

I am not going to hell as the God I know isn't evil.

God isn't evil ^ You're judged on your own actions and whether you obeyed the Messenger He sent to you. If you obeyed and did good, then you did good for your own sake [and you will be rewarded for that], but if you rejected God's Messengers', were ungrateful and disobeyed - then you do so for your own loss.

God is not injust to any of His servants. However man is unjust to his ownself.


Allaah says:

“O My slaves, all of you are astray except those whom I guide, so ask Me for guidance, and I will guide you. O My slaves, all of you are hungry except those whom I feed, so ask me for food and I will feed you. O My slaves, all of you are naked except those whom I clothe, so ask Me for clothing and I will clothe you. … O My slaves, if the first of you and the last of you, your humans and your jinn, were to stand on a single plain and ask of Me and I were to give each one what he asked for, that would not cause any loss to Me greater than what is lost when a needle is dipped into the sea.”

Narrated by Muslim (2577).

format_quote Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah

God isn't evil ^ You're judged on your own actions and whether you obeyed the Messenger He sent to you. If you obeyed and did good, then you did good for your own sake [and you will be rewarded for that], but if you rejected God's Messengers', were ungrateful and disobeyed - then you do so for your own loss.

God is not injust to any of His servants. However man is unjust to his ownself.


Allaah says:

“O My slaves, all of you are astray except those whom I guide, so ask Me for guidance, and I will guide you. O My slaves, all of you are hungry except those whom I feed, so ask me for food and I will feed you. O My slaves, all of you are naked except those whom I clothe, so ask Me for clothing and I will clothe you. … O My slaves, if the first of you and the last of you, your humans and your jinn, were to stand on a single plain and ask of Me and I were to give each one what he asked for, that would not cause any loss to Me greater than what is lost when a needle is dipped into the sea.”

Narrated by Muslim (2577).

Second on that, brother!

I've done good throughout my life, done deeds. God won't send me to hell because I didn't go down on my knees 5 times a day. God, I am sure, is proud of the way I have lived my life and my way of life.

Any religion that preaches that God will send you to hell because you didn't get down and pray to Him is false. I can say that with full confidence because like I said, God isn't evil.