The Marriage of Aisha to the Prophet(PBUH)

format_quote Originally Posted by dumbo

I take there is no one on here with the knowledge to answer this question?

brother,

You'll have to look it up if you want to confirm it for certain.

format_quote Originally Posted by Plato

i have read their thread, the thread here, and went to wikipedia to find more sources about it.

Since I have established my argument in this thread on the basis of evidence from medical encyclopaedia, any point from a source like wikipedia becomes meaningless. It is normal for the age of maturity to differ amongst different ethnic groups and different climates.

Puberty normally occurs between 13 and 15 years old in boys, and between 9 and 16 years old in girls. (Medline Plus Medical Encyclopaedia)

In healthy girls living in a temperate climate, the earliest sign of puberty occurs at a mean age of 10.6 years (standard deviation of 1.2 years), whereas, in boys, testicular growth begins at a mean age of 11.8, with a standard deviation of one year. The average age of menstruation is 13.5 years (range, 9–17 years). (Britannica 75999)

And the evidence I produced showed that such marriages were customary at that time.

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A 9-year old Thai girl gave birth:




Back to Prophet Muhammad (p)was not a Child Molester!

You will also see proofs from Jewish and Christian resources that Mary (Jesus' mother) peace be upon her got pregnant at the age of 12.

format_quote Originally Posted by chris4336

Hello all. ..... But my questions then are:
1. Can you prove that this behavior was meant to be limited to this specific situation?

2. How can you get the message to the Muslim community that even though it was done by the Prophet, this type of behavior can be damaging to young women today?

Firstly , age of Mother Aisha (ra ) is disputed ....she could be 17.

2nd. She was a Qurani Hafiz....a great teacher. She taught many hadith. Her life is a great example that how a Muslim woman can be a great learner , teacher etc.

Many companions of the last Prophet (p) also asked her many questions. It's a clear sign that her early marriage ( if indeed she was 9 ) did not harm her in any way.

In the west , young girls are enjoying sex with unlimited partners.....no one bothers. It surprises me a lot that why a happy marriage that took more than a thousand years ago still arises so many questions ???

It's not compulsory for any parent to arrange early marriage of their daughter . Moreover , by man made law it's prohibited to arrange early marriage though girls in the west are enjoying pre-marriage sex .

U may visit these links :




Addressing Misconceptions about Prophet’s Marriage to `Aisha (ra)

http://www.islamonline.net/fatwa/eng...hFatwaID=63495

Can a woman be forced into marriage in Islam?

http://www.answering-christianity.com/




The Young Marriage of `Âishah(R)
http://www.alinaam.org.za/index.html

http://www.guidedones.com/metapage/frq/Aisha.htm

http://filebox.vt.edu/users/oraja/marriage.html


http://www.anwary-islam.com/index.htm





CONDENSED:

[InAuthentic]



3. A girl becomes a woman when she begins her menstruation cycle.

4. The significance of menstruation that anyone with the slightest familiarity with physiology will tell you is that it is a sign that the girl is being prepared to become a mother.

5. Women reach puberty at different ages ranging from 8-12 years old depending on genetics, race and environment.


6. According to Hâ-Talmûd Hâ-Bavlî, which the Jews regard as their "oral Torah", Sanhedrin 76b clearly states that it is preferable that a woman be married when she has her first menses




http://www.answering-christianity.com/aisha.htm

My response to the "Child Molester" lie against our beloved Prophet, Muhammad peace be upon him:

The sections of this article are:

1- Introduction.

- Child brides as young as 8 were common, not exceptions, among the Byzantine emperors and nobility.



- A picture of a 9-year old girl giving birth in Thailand.
- 12-year old in Romania getting married.

Firstly , age of Mother Aisha (ra ) is disputed ....she could be 17.

There is no difference of opinion on her age. She was 6 when she was married and 9 when the marriage was consumated.

Bukhari - Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236:

Narrated Hisham's father:


Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.

Bukhari is the most authentic book after the Quran. His marriage to Aisha was one of the greatest blessings upon this Ummah because due to her, we learned so much about the life of the Messenger. She is the 4th highest narrator of Ahadith. She had the mind of a scholor and due to this marriage we know the much about the life of the Messenger at home. And this was a divinely inspired Marriage.

Bukhari - Volume 5, Book 58, Number 235:

Narrated 'Aisha:
That the Prophet said to her, "You have been shown to me twice in my dream. I saw you pictured on a piece of silk and some-one said (to me). 'This is your wife.' When I uncovered the picture, I saw that it was yours. I said, 'If this is from Allah, it will be done."

Well it will take time to read through things, what I have understood is not that it is very harmful, rather that it may have some disadvantages, at the same time some of those can be combated.

I need to read into it more.

Eesa.

Well if it has some disadvatages, what are the advantages? Would you completely miss out on all the adavantages if you waited, lets say 2 years after her first period to have sex with her?

EDIT: I'm not trying to attack Islam, I'm just trying to see what steps Islam takes to protect young girls who might suffer the medical consequences of such marriages. I think it would be foolish to say that Muslims men in the world are not using this rule because of their desires to have sex with virgins, at the expense of the health and well being of these girls.

format_quote Originally Posted by YusufNoor

there are some Jewish midrash that say Isaac's wife was 6 when married.

would that make you question Christianty?

also, somewhere here, there's a link to a Yusuf Estes lecture on the topic...

I think it is very very important for Muslims not to kind of point the finger, if a person asks about something with regards to Islaam, and they want to know the Islamic position and how Islaam justifies things, in alot, not all, but alot of cases all that saying 'Chrsitianity says ...' or 'in the west they do this..' will only give them impression that Muslims dont have an answer.

format_quote Originally Posted by Angelzz

Salaam Alaykum

My understanding is that the girls parents would still need to approve of the marriage - so question becomes which parent these days will be approving a marriage for someone that young ? unless of course - poverty or the like are forcing their hand?

Wa Aleykum Salam,

I think that is a very crucial part of it too, the girl and the parents both need to approve, thats a step there.

format_quote Originally Posted by chris4336

Well if it has some disadvatages, what are the advantages? Would you completely miss out on all the adavantages if you waited, lets say 2 years after her first period to have sex with her?

EDIT: I'm not trying to attack Islam, I'm just trying to see what steps Islam takes to protect young girls who might suffer the medical consequences of such marriages. I think it would be foolish to say that Muslims men in the world are not using this rule because of their desires to have sex with virgins, at the expense of the health and well being of these girls.

I think those questions are valid, and they are food for thought and something to research. I dont think you'd completly miss out on all the possabilities as such.

For me Chris, I need to read more, because I have read the link you gave but I have not read the other sources you quoted from, so if you know of any online places for those then please provide the links.

format_quote Originally Posted by chris4336

And my question is, since most of you I think agree that 9 year olds shoud probably not be having sex, why is that rule not in the religion? Why is it left up to the parents/society to decide when Islam supposedly covers all aspects of life?

I dont know who thinks that.

From my view, the choice of when the girl marries is left to the girl and the parents, why, because every girl is different, for example, Islam from my understanding gave a general view, and then from there each case is left for those who know best, i.e. the girl the parents and so forth.

For example, if there was an 17 year old who had for some reason not got to puberty then it would be immoral for guys to try and sleep with her. I don't think it's the age that's a problem, I think it's the girl, the girl is different in different cases and that is how it should been seen, judged by parents and the girl.

Hope that makes sense.

format_quote Originally Posted by chris4336

Sure that makes sense and I see your point. I agree that it should not be based so much on age as physical development.

Am glad we agree on something

format_quote Originally Posted by chris4336

I think today Islams "general view" on this situation is used to exploit many young woman, would you agree? Shouldn't Islamic law help to protect these girls?

I agree to an extent. I think the Islamic law does help the young women, I think that the actions put in place are very definetive in helping, i.e. the girl chosing herself and women not being forced into things.

I will say one thing, I remember a passage from the Bible, the concept is something that I do like, it went something like this "John came not eating and drinking and people called him devil possed or a demon, I came eating and drinking and you all cal me a glutton and drunkyard" I don't know if that makes sense, but in honesty, i think that no matter what Islam taught people would come up with question and say things, not that I don't think your view is valid though.

format_quote Originally Posted by chris4336

I really don't blame the Muslim men who are doing it, they are just trying to do the same as their prophet did.

Well not neccesarily, there are more women married by the Prophet who were over 16 and 18 why not then do that, I'm not saying their wrong to do what they do, but I also don't think its just about them following the prophet, for if that was the case, then there wouldn't be much problems of the problems you have brought up.

format_quote Originally Posted by chris4336

But since its generally the consensus in medical communities that it is harmful to young women to be pregnant at a young age, why didn't Islam do more to prevent this?

Let me ask you, what is the medical community saying is the problem? What is it that happens when women have young pregnencies and is it all women? That is something to look at.

format_quote Originally Posted by chris4336

Do you see what I mean? Okay, I guess getting to the heart of it, what bothers me most about Islamic law is that it gives men so much opportunity to abuse it. Its the same as the polygamy thing, maybe it was a great blessing in the time of the prophet, but now its a man's responsibility not to abuse it.

I understand your view, I also have some on the other side:

• The fact that men cannot marry women unless they agree to the lady's personal set gifts, for example, a young guy wants to get married, but he can't because alot of the women have put the dowry up to such a level that he cannot afford it, it is their right to do so, but poor guy, some may argue that Allah should have set a limit.

• The fact that women can live off the guy and that they can work or not and do anything they wont as long as it's Islamic, the guy has to provide the wife with the essential and she does not have to put anything into that, she can work and put her money on herself and not worry about anything, some may argue that, "fair enough she shouldn't have to put 50% because she also looks after the kids and wil be pregnent, but for the other times then she should put 25% or something in when she is not pregnent or nursing"

And there are many things like that, I don't think its one sided.

format_quote Originally Posted by chris4336

And if she is poor and her parents really encourage this marriage she'll agree. Who is being exploited in this situation and what does Islamic law do to stop it? In my mind the first answer is obviously "the young girl" and the second answer is "nothing"

Let me ask something, if she is poor and the parents only agree because of that, then imagine that the marriage option was not there, what would they do? The answer is found in many streets of africa, you only have to look at the amount of 12 year old prostitues! I rather have my daughter married than a prostitue, now I don't say that that is the only reason for it, but I am glad islam would allow it because I rather that then my daughter on the streets if those were the two only option some people face.