As Muslims were suppose to believe that Muhammad (peace be upon him) is the final messenger of Allah. We should believe the message he delivered through God (the Quran( as well as his teachings (the sunnah, his examples).
We should try to follow him as closely as possible.
Also the prophet (pbuh) was a human being who recived divine inspiration from God.
So why are people telling me im wrong and that i shouldnt believe that he (pbuh) was a person like you and me? They believe he (pbuh) is not human but a special being and that he is alive in his (pbuh) grave and that he can hear and see every one of us, and that he listens to and accept our duas when we say 'ya muhammad'-ASTAGFIRULLAH ASTAGFIRULLAH ASTAGFIRULLAH.
What kind of shirk is this? The prophet (pbuh) is not God.
Theres no mway im going to that mosque again!!!!1
Those who call out and say "ya muhammad" and make dua to him, have no knowledge of the deen whatsoever!, To call out and say this you are contradicting they verse you recite in your salah every day
"You ALONE we worship, and YOU ALONE WE SEEK HELP" (surah al-fatihah)
This is a clear contradcition, andby saying this you are inducng shirk, and you become a kaafir.
Brother i think that masjid you attended is a brawelli mosque.
hey man dont generelaise akhi, you say it's the brailwi community that say this sort of stuff, just to break the icing it's not all....
kay:
brawellis.....why do they do this sort of stuff? what evidences do they produce to back up there grave worshipping??? Does anyone know??
I have read that it has been narrrated that if someone sends their salam to Prophet muhammad, that he peace be upon him, will be informed.format_quote Originally Posted by nishom
But I have yet to see where it states that he forgives or anything, he could not forgive people when he was alive peace be upon him, but he can when he is dead?
He is a person like us, one from mankind, but he is also a prophet and messenger which does make him special, but still human, he had to go toilet, he had reletions with his wives and so on, pretty human.
May Allah's blessings and peace be upon him
Salams poster -
I understand where you are coming from and how you feel.
1. Muhammad pbuh is human, but not like us as in our nature. This doesnt imply in anyway he is divine. We are very sinful humans whilst he was the best of creation, an example for us all. No Prophet is a ordinary human being. What is emphaszied is their status with Allah. They have senses that a normal human being can not sense. The Prophet heard and saw things we couldnt.
2. All Prophets are alive in their grave and that was the aqeedah of the early muslims and even later day scholar Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahaab, it is only recent saudi "scholars" who claim that the prophets are bones and their bodies have been absorbed by worms. Keep in mind they are a very small minute minority who beleive such a disrespectful thing. The rest of the Salafiyah are sound in creed.
3. It is mere speculation about the sight and hearing of the Prophet. Whether he can see you and hear you now, that knowledge is with Allah, and by Allahs permission it could be made possible. However! its speculation and there is no scriptual evidence to support their claim. There is a hadith, however, which suggests that our deeds are presented to the Prophet pbuh every friday and there is also the hadith about the angels conveying your Salaam to the Prophet.
4. It is major shirk to call upon the Prophet asyou would call upon Allah.
Wasalams
subhanAllah thats shirk
21:107 We sent thee not, but as a Mercy for all creatures.
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Biographies of the Prophet usually treat their subject as if he were a person endowed with great magical powers, one who by mysterious means brought the whole of Arabia under his wing. These books read like fairy tales; even events, which have no miraculous content, have been given a fanciful, miraculous interpretation. Take the case of Suhaib Ibn Senan’s migration from Mecca to Medina. When some Quraysh youths blocked his path, Suhaib pleaded with them: “If I let you have all my property, will you let me go?” They said that they would. Suhaib had a few ounces of silver with him. He gave it all to them and carried on to Medina. According to a tradition in Baihaqi, Suhaib said that when the Prophet saw him in Medina he told Suhaib that his trading, that is, his handing over of his property to the Quraysh, had been very profitable. Suhaib, according to the tradition, was astounded, for no one had arrived in Medina before him who could have brought the news. “It must have been Gabriel who told you,” he said to the Prophet.
But the same event has been related by Marduya and Ibn Sa‘ad. According to them, Suhaib told his own story in these words:
“I carried on until I reached Medina. When the Prophet heard about my handing over my property to the Quraysh he said: ‘Suhaib’s trading has profited! Suhaib’s trading has profited!”
The entire life of the Prophet was, in fact, a simple human event, that is why it serves as an example to us. He was a human being like ay other, but his life was a perfect pattern for others. According to Bukhari, he stumbled on the road and was hurt like anyone else. Indeed, the reason that his congregation refused to believe that he was the receiver of divine revelation was the very fact that, to all appearances, the Prophet appeared just like any normal human being:
“You may transactions in the town. You see a livelihood just as we do.” (Al-Bidayah wa al-Nihayah)
The truth is that the greatness of the Prophet’s life lies in its being a human event rather than a far-fetched tale of inimitable miraculous actions. The Prophet was God’s humble and very human servant, and, having been chosen by God to spread His message, he was helped by Him at every critical hour. In this sense his success was miraculous, but the Prophet himself was in no way endowed with superhuman powers. It is rather the human aspect of his life, which emerges from a study of the Qur’an.
Miracles were manifested through the Prophet pbuh but these were not by his own power. Please dont say the Prophet pbuh us just like you and me because he is not. In human form yes, hes human, but characterwise hes better than an angel. I find it dsrespectful when somebody says Muhammad pbuh was a normal normality of a normal norm! thats very degrading. He was the best of creation, a ruby amongst stones and in his footsteps we find perfection. wasalams
1.The entire life of the Prophetwas, in fact, a simple human event, that is why it serves as an example to us.
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I agree his life was human, but he was not just any simple human, he was a special human.1.The entire life of the Prophet was, in fact, a simple human event, that is why it serves as an example to us.
He was created like any other, but in no way is anybody comparable in the slightest to him. He is the best of all creation.2.He was a human being like ay other, but his life was a perfect pattern for others.
I see the Prophet peace be upon him as the best of human beings, in that respect we can follow him but we will never be on the same footing with him, therefore i dont consider him normal but special.3.that he was the receiver of divine revelation was the very fact that, to all appearances, the Prophet appeared just like any normal human being .
I dont deny the miracles of the Prophet peace be upon him, i dont belittle his knowldge of matters in the world and the hereafter, i believe that the Prophet was sinless and i definatly believe that he is special speacial speacial and not normal. I am not saying Muhammad peace be upon him is divine, no, he is a human that was chosan for divine revalation. I believe he was the first Prophet created and the last Prophet sent. I do not believe Muhammad peace be upon him is God or a part of Gods personal light. I fully believe that Muhammad peace be upon him was created.
He peace be upon him did have so many miracles, we cant say he didnt and that he is like any other human, just normal without miracles. Theres only one other human that i can think over who rode with flying animals at the speed of light and that is Santa claus, except Santa is a lie, our Prophet peace be upon him is a reality!
I am sure that we are speaking past each other here and that we have the same love and reverance for the Prophet peace be upon him, however the usage of words can be highly misunderstood.
Last edited by Abu Ibraheem; 11-22-2006 at 01:03 PM.
subhan Allaah, i agree abu ibraheem
Assalamu Aleykum Brothers and Sisters,
What makes you believe this?format_quote Originally Posted by Abu Ibraheem
I too would like to know that.
ok so what about Sami Yusuf. In one of nasheeds, "Al Muallim," he says Ya Muhammad...
Tayaba
We do say as-salaamu alayka ayuhan nabi in our salah which cariies the same meaning its just that yaa is omitted most of the time when there is a "al" (al marifu bilaami) in the munaada. When i said that it is shirk to call upon the Prophet like you would Allah, i meant in terms of asking for help, health, children and wealth asonly Allah can decide and bestow these things.
The way Sami Yusuf is using yaaa is an expression of love, he is not calling for help. wasalams.
format_quote Originally Posted by IsaAbdullah
okay 1st and foremost no hadiths to back me up whatsoever, short of time.....
This duniya, this temporary duniya....why was it created? If there was no beloved Prophet there'd be no duniya, it was created for him....just as everything was created from the Nur of Prophet Muhammad pbuh, the nur which was given to him by Allah subhanawata'ala. Why was this done?
Allah swt could just as easily have created everything directly from his own nur....Muhammad pbuh was and is the best of his creations...
If it wasn't for him, there would be no duniya, if it wasn't for him just imagine how much worse off we would be.....
So to have everything created from the nur of Muhammad pbuh which was a portion given by Allah swt to me means that something must have been created, a soul.
So in that essence the soul of Muhammad pbuh was created before anything, and the physical body was to be known to us as the last Prophet....
Allahualim
fiamanAllah
ps. some parts were heard in lectures/khutba's hence quoting may not be entirely correct...
Last edited by H4RUN; 11-22-2006 at 10:49 PM. Reason: eid mubarak
kay:
Yea i figured so. Jazak Allah for confirming, i just needed to make sure.format_quote Originally Posted by Abu Ibraheem
We do say as-salaamu alayka ayuhan nabi in our salah which cariies the same meaning its just that yaa is omitted most of the time when there is a "al" (al marifu bilaami) in the munaada. When i said that it is shirk to call upon the Prophet like you would Allah, i meant in terms of asking for help, health, children and wealth asonly Allah can decide and bestow these things.
The way Sami Yusuf is using yaaa is an expression of love, he is not calling for help. wasalams.
1. Believing that the Prophet(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is not like the rest of humanity, and that he is light from the Light of Allaah Himself is not a correct belief, because it contradicts the Qur’aan. Allaah has stated that the Prophet
“Say (O Muhammad): ‘I am only a man like you. It has been inspired to me that your God is One God (Allaah). So whoever hopes for the Meeting with his Lord, let him work righteousness and associate none as a partner in the worship of his Lord.” [al-Kahf 18:110]
Mankind, human beings, are created, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“O mankind! Be dutiful to your Lord, Who created you from a single person (Adam), and from him He created his wife (Hawwa/Eve), and from them both He created many men and women…” [al-Nisaa’ 4:1]
“O mankind, if you are in doubt about the Resurrection, then verily! We have created you from dust, then from a nutfah (mixed drops of male and female sexual discharge)…” [al-Hajj 22:5]
“O Prophet! Verily, We have sent you as witness, and a bearer of glad tidings, and a warner, - and as one who invites to Allaah by His leave, and as a lamp spreading light.” [al-Ahzaab 33:45-46]In contrast, Allaah is the First, and He has no beginning, as He says (interpretation of the meaning):
“He is the First (nothing is before Him) and the Last (nothing is after Him), the Most High (nothing is above Him), and the Most Near (nothing is nearer than Him). And He is the All-Knower of every thing.” [al-Hadeed 57:3]
Allaah called His Prophet “light” and a “lamp spreading light” because of the guidance and light with which Allaah sent him, with which Allaah guides all those who answer his call
“… Indeed, there has come to you a light (Prophet Muhammad
2. Saying that he is present and watching in every place, that he is himself present at every gathering to celebrate his birthday, and that he hears what the people present are saying, is all false. There is no basis for this in either the Qur’aan or the Sunnah.
3. Calling on him and seeking his help and support is a form of major shirk which is not permitted, whether one is calling on the Prophet
“… so invoke not anyone along with Allaah.”[al-Jinn 72:18]
“And whoever invokes (or worships) besides Allaah, any other god of whom he has no proof, then his reckoning is only with his Lord. Surely! Al-kaafiroon (the disbelievers) will not be successful.” [al-Mu’minoon 23:117]
(Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 3/4)The Muslim should follow, not innovate. He should believe in Allaah alone, call on Him alone and seek His help alone. He should not call on or seek the help of anyone else. The consequences of shirk are devastating, as it will wipe out all a person’s good deeds and lead to his doom in Hell. Bid’ah is a serious matter, which will cause a person’s deeds to be thrown back at him, not accepted. The Muslim should love, respect, honour and obey the Prophet
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Where is the evidence for this?it was created for him....just as everything was created from the Nur of Prophet Muhammad pbuh, the nur which was given to him by Allah subhanawata'ala.
Sounds abit like cultural stuff to me
Like the Hadeeth that says the World was Created for Muhammad, peace be upon him.
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