yeah. not even one letter of the qur'an has never been changed since its been revealed and never will be changed till the day of judgement.
this is a promise from Allah, and if you want proof - you can go anywhere in the world and look at the qur'an, its never been altered one bit.
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it might have been easier to do that.. but would that really have showed what God also stands for? caring, loving.. Jesus himself is the word that became flesh... I am sorry I can't explain things more easier... but just because I don't understand something doesn't make me turn away..
we've shown verses repeatedly which show Allah's Mercy towards the believers.
in one hadith; Allaah the Most Merciful says:
O son of Adam, so long as you call upon Me and ask of Me, I shall forgive you for what you have done, and I shall not mind. O son of Adam, were your sins to reach the clouds of the sky and were you then to ask forgiveness of Me, I would forgive you. O son of Adam, were you to come to Me with sins nearly as great as the earth and were you then to face Me, ascribing no partner to Me, I would bring you forgiveness nearly as great at it.
Hadith Qudsi 34.
the facts are so clear to everyone yet people keep denying them:
And when Our clear communications are recited to them you will find denial on the faces of those who disbelieve; they almost spring upon those who recite to them Our communications. Say: Shall I inform you of what is worse than this? The fire; Allah has promised it to those who disbelieve; and how evil the resort! (22:72)
dont you think God would make His signs clear to you so you may understand? or would God rather make you follow your faith blindly without understanding?
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as again when I am in heaven all of our questions will be answered. agian it is the message that brought me here..
yeah i agree. we will find out the truth one day.. for certainty.
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it isn't about who God is as because God doesn't care who I am ( personality wise )
God does care about us..
...Lo! Allah loveth those who keep their duty (unto Him). (9:04)
( Say [oh, Muhammad!]: "If you love Allah, follow me: Allah will forgive you your sins, for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.) (Quran: 3:31)
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Yes, the Trinity is a highly confusing subject to speak about. However, who can expect to understand God? He is beyond us.
but here it goes... in the beginning was the word ( JESUS ), and the Word was with God. and the WORD WAS GOD. He was with God in the beginning... when you make up something it is your words...so to God it is Gods words...
now the WORD becomes flesh before the JESUS DIED JESUS SAID THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL COME AND remind you everything that I HAVE SPOKEN..
The quote your using to explain the trinity is from Gospel of John, Verse 1 yeh?
A very famous speaker among muslims, Dr. Zakir Naik, explains this verse in one of his lectures.
In the beginning there was the Word. The Word was with God and the Word was God.
Dr. Naik explains the original is in Greek, though Jesus spoke aramaic/hebrew. He explains that if you were to replace 'Word' with just God, the whole sentence fails to make sense, despite this being technically accurate since the 'the Word was God'.
In the beginning there was God. God was with God and God was God.
He explains the first time God is used, in the original Greek, it was 'Hotheos' (sorry about spelling, I'm doing this from video, so have no idea how to spell it).
In the beginning there was the Word. The Word was with Hotheos and the Word was God.
Hoetheos means THE GOD.
The second time God is use, its Thontheos. Which means a god. A godly person.
In the beginning there was the Word. The Word was with Hotheos and the Word was Thontheos.
So...
In the beginning there was the Word. The Word was with GOD ALMIGHTY and the Word was a god. (The same way Moses is described as being sent as a god to his people).
I highly urge you to watch the video Islam and Christiannity by Zakir Naik.
God has no son, daughter, wife or anything like that. God is one and alone and Muhammad(saw) is his final messenger.
so God can't have son why is that? what about Jesus his virgin birth? who do you think the father is? come on think... it will come to you soon...
muhammad might have saw someone other than God I mean come on who do you think the best trickter is? look at john smith... mormonism...
so God can't have son why is that? what about Jesus his virgin birth? who do you think the father is? come on think... it will come to you soon...
Why does he need a father? Just because it makes no logical sense to us that a person cannot be created without a male and female taking part does not mean that God cannot create such. It is a miracle of God that he was created wtihout a male present. SubhanAllah
It like saying how did Jesus heal lepers, secretly e must have been someone with great medical experience, truly it is not the case, he simply performed miracles given to him by the grace of God Almighty
Why does he need a father? Just because it makes no logical sense to us that a person cannot be created without a male and female taking part does not mean that God cannot create such. It is a miracle of God that he was created wtihout a male present. SubhanAllah
It like saying how did Jesus heal lepers, secretly e must have been someone with great medical experience, truly it is not the case, he simply performed miracles given to him by the grace of God Almighty
Rabi'ya:rose:
Hmmm.... He was born of a virgin so we wrongly believe he is the Son of God?... Immaculate conception is just one of the many reasons we believe he is the Son of God ( God the Son, a member of the trinity). There are many other reasons to belive that Jesus is the Son of God (which i obviously can't state here for the sake of brevity).
Hmmm.... He was born of a virgin so we wrongly believe he is the Son of God?... Immaculate conception is just one of the many reasons we believe he is the Son of God ( God the Son, a member of the trinity). There are many other reasons to belive that Jesus is the Son of God (which i obviously can't state here for the sake of brevity).
no one created him.. as it states in the BIBLE in genesis to.. in the beginning, GOD...
GOD is outside of time( it doesn't state this but it is what Heaven is ) time is only for this world.
this is something I read..
"If God had chosen to, He could have sent Jesus to this earth as a fully grown, yet sinless human being. A shaft of light could have come out from heaven with Jesus descending to the ground as an adult man. But if Jesus came to us in that way, who could have related to Him as a person, as a part of the human race? God also could have had Jesus come into the world through two ordinary human beings—but still with a divine nature. But then most of us would have doubted His divinity. That's why the Incarnation makes sense." - Greg Laurie.
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Why is it not then possible that Jesus was created by God with only a mother and no father....that it is truly a miracle of God and not that he is the father figure.
God is the father of all of us. I dont mean biological but our creator and our leader.
I think some people get confused with the terminology 'Son'. Sex is the human act required to create a son, however this most definitely does not mean that God had sex to create his Son. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God" (John 1:1) Jesus is called the Son of God because Jesus has the same nature and character traits of God, not because He had sex with Mary or anything ludicrous like that.. Pardon me.. i tried to word that differently because i know it sounds crude but I didnt want to beat around the bush. I have a feeling that some Muslims are turned off the whole idea of a "son of God" because it seems to be implying an animal nature in God.
All we' re trying to say is that Jesus is a beloved Prophet of God howevere, he is a Prophet and not a son. He is not part of God any mroe than Moses, or Abraham etc His birth was certainly miraculous and that is definitely something to be amazed by. Truly a wonder of Allah.
May I ask what exactly is the Holy ghost, or spirit?
the third person in the Trinity; Jesus promised the Apostles that he would send the Holy Spirit after his Crucifixion and Resurrection; it came on Pentecost...
it is the third person... the Father- creator of all things.. then the son ( the word )created by the Father. then the spirit from both Father and Son... while they are up there the Holy Spirit is down here to give us comfert in our lifes while the Son is up there preparing a place for us to live...
I myself am not a scholor of knowing exactly understand God.. I do know what He is like.. as Jesus stated.. if you know me you would know the Father.
tell me an error... you must really think I don't have much faith in Christ.
Salaam
Jesus is talking of signs that will happen before the end of the world to his disciples)
(Notice: Jesus probably thought the stars were little lights attached to a solid rotating sky dome like everyone else at that time)
(Mat 24:29 NRSV) "Immediately after the suffering of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; *the stars will fall from heaven*, and the powers of heaven will be shaken.
(Mat 24:30 NRSV) Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see 'the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven' with power and great glory.
(Jesus now says to his disciples that their generation will not pass away before the end of the world)
(Mat 24:34 NRSV) Truly I tell you, *this generation will not pass away* until all these things have taken place.
(Their generation did pass away, but the world didn't end)
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satan will try to lead people away about who Jesus really is... though I am not saying anything about the muslim believe... good luck... :confused:
we will find out the truth one day.. for certainty.
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